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Going to upgrade from my old rx-A2000 to a rx-a3060. Then pair it with monoprice 7 channel amp. Use the Yamaha to power the 4 over head speakers. Should be a pretty good jump for me.
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So is there any actual change then besides the calibration software?


I mean the most important part to me is HDCP 2.2 and HDMI 2.0a for hdr. Which they both have. But I literally see no difference.


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The more I look at the 2016 vs. 2015 models I agree that the 1050 on closeout would be the better deal. I am not sure that the sub eq to 15 hz will produce a noticeable difference. Everything else looks similar between the two models. The trick is to find the deals on the RX-A1050.


I could be wrong, but the thing I've learned in following AVS for a few years now is that your room has a huge impact on your sound quality. The frequencies most impacted by the room are the subwoofer frequencies, and that's where the most help is needed. To me, that's a huge difference b/w the 750 & 760 models bc the 750 doesn't the EQ the sub frequencies at all! This can be confirmed on Yamaha's website in the FAQs area. It compares the two and provides the differences. If you have a crappy sub, then that's another story. Just really surprised to hear it's not significant.


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The YPAO on the 2016 models won't EQ down to 15Hz,
You only have the ability to manually adjust the PEQ.

BUT....You need three things to take advantage of that,
A mic capable of measuring that low (YPAO mic cannot)
REW (Room EQ Wizard) software to measure your rooms response.
....and a sub capable of playing the lowest octave in the first place.

I have a 4 sub setup with my 3050 (7.4.4)
...if I wanted a slightly flatter response I would rather have a miniDSP and a 3050
Over an RX-3060.
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The YPAO on the 2016 models won't EQ down to 15Hz,

You only have the ability to manually adjust the PEQ.



BUT....You need three things to take advantage of that,

A mic capable of measuring that low (YPAO mic cannot)

REW (Room EQ Wizard) software to measure your rooms response.

....and a sub capable of playing the lowest octave in the first place.



I have a 4 sub setup with my 3050 (7.4.4)

...if I wanted a slightly flatter response I would rather have a miniDSP and a 3050

Over an RX-3060.

So what does manually adjusting the PEQ exactly mean for the average consumer? That it's a feature that is pretty much worthless. Most people have no idea what REW is and that includes many on AVS. So, what you're saying is that they added a feature that is fairly difficult for the average consumer to use. Correct?



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The YPAO on the 2016 models won't EQ down to 15Hz,

You only have the ability to manually adjust the PEQ.



BUT....You need three things to take advantage of that,

A mic capable of measuring that low (YPAO mic cannot)

REW (Room EQ Wizard) software to measure your rooms response.

....and a sub capable of playing the lowest octave in the first place.



I have a 4 sub setup with my 3050 (7.4.4)

...if I wanted a slightly flatter response I would rather have a miniDSP and a 3050

Over an RX-3060.

Notice the differences bw the 850 & 750. Then, check the differences bw the 860 & 760. This is from Yamaha's website. It specifically states that a difference in the 2015 models was subwoofer equalization and then it doesn't show this as a difference with the 2016 models. Where are you reading something that is different? Also, the 2016 models are said to eq down to 15hz. This is mentioned earlier in this thread.

http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/...rent_page_id=1

http://faq.yamaha.com/us/en/article/...rent_page_id=1



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Notice the differences bw the 850 & 750. Then, check the differences bw the 860 & 760. This is from Yamaha's website. It specifically states that a difference in the 2015 models was subwoofer equalization and then it doesn't show this as a difference with the 2016 models. Where are you reading something that is different? Also, the 2016 models are said to eq down to 15hz. This is mentioned earlier in this thread.

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Notice the differences bw the 850 & 750. Then, check the differences bw the 860 & 760. This is from Yamaha's website. It specifically states that a difference in the 2015 models was subwoofer equalization and then it doesn't show this as a difference with the 2016 models. Where are you reading something that is different? Also, the 2016 models are said to eq down to 15hz. This is mentioned earlier in this thread.

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Correct. The A850 features YPAO sub EQ (31Hz) whereas the A750 does not (62Hz). Sub EQ is now featured on all 2016 "Aventage" models beginning with the A660; which simply means that YPAO can EQ down to 31Hz on all 2016 Aventage models as its capability has not changed. Only manual parametric EQ is available below 31Hz down to 15.6Hz.
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I have no idea what this all means. Sounds like a techie convention discussion that 99.5% of folks could care less. Enjoy for those of you that do. How did I ever listen to music or watch movies for past few decades without fancy correction/frequency adjustments??? amazing!!


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Correct. The A850 features YPAO sub EQ (31Hz) whereas the A750 does not (62Hz). Sub EQ is now featured on all 2016 "Aventage" models beginning with the A660; which simply means that YPAO can EQ down to 31Hz on all 2016 Aventage models as its capability has not changed. Only manual parametric EQ is available below 31Hz down to 15.6Hz.


Thanks for the clarification JD. That was the point I was trying to make was that the 760 does EQ most of the sub frequencies. That's a significant difference from last years model.


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Does anyone know if the 60-series supports more exotic passthrough resolutions - specifically 1080p @ 120Hz from a PC? My RX-A3000 tops out at 1080p60 due entirely to the internal software limiting it (despite its 1.4 controllers). "Direct" and "Passthrough" aren't quite as honest as they claim to be... I figure with full-blown HDMI 2.0/HDCP2.2/HDR/4K 4:4:4 support, there should be no excuse.

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I have no idea what this all means. Sounds like a techie convention discussion that 99.5% of folks could care less. Enjoy for those of you that do. How did I ever listen to music or watch movies for past few decades without fancy correction/frequency adjustments??? amazing!!
How have you managed to post 911 times before realizing this is a tech forum?
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So what does manually adjusting the PEQ exactly mean for the average consumer? That it's a feature that is pretty much worthless. Most people have no idea what REW is and that includes many on AVS. So, what you're saying is that they added a feature that is fairly difficult for the average consumer to use. Correct?



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Eh, ignorance is not an excuse.
It's up to people if they want to learn the in and outs of audio. Manual PEQ is there for people who wants to dive deeper.

Nothing to do with "average consumer" not knowing what REW is.

Also, difficulty is a subjective thing. What may be difficult for you may be a piece of cake for someone else.
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So what does manually adjusting the PEQ exactly mean for the average consumer? That it's a feature that is pretty much worthless. Most people have no idea what REW is and that includes many on AVS. So, what you're saying is that they added a feature that is fairly difficult for the average consumer to use. Correct?
The average consumer is happy with a soundbar or HTIB system, these are aimed at the audiophile and/or enthusiast who are more demanding and willing to pay more for it.
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How have you managed to post 911 times before realizing this is a tech forum?

No worry, I can't understand every little detail about these complex AVRs. Have many other interests as well. I know just enough to be dangerous.. I enjoy music primarily & just starting to get into Dolby Atmos & new DTS:X effects



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Eh, ignorance is not an excuse.

It's up to people if they want to learn the in and outs of audio. Manual PEQ is there for people who wants to dive deeper.



Nothing to do with "average consumer" not knowing what REW is.



Also, difficulty is a subjective thing. What may be difficult for you may be a piece of cake for someone else.


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The average consumer is happy with a soundbar or HTIB system, these are aimed at the audiophile and/or enthusiast who are more demanding and willing to pay more for it.


I think I worded that one post poorly so it was mid-understood by both of you. My main question was whether the 760 model provides subwoofer frequency EQ of any kind. It was said by another member that the only way to EQ the subwoofer frequencies was by using REW which was false. The one piece that I had alluded to and mentioned previously in this thread was the AVR doing the EQ down to 15 hz which isn't the case. This has to be done manually and I get it. My main point though was that the 760 does EQ the subwoofer frequencies and the 750 does not. In my opinion, that is a big difference bw the two units. The 760 isn't even for me. It's for someone else. I think it's fair to say though that a mass market AVR (I would argue a $650 AVR is mass market) which provided an important feature such as providing EQ to most of the subwoofer frequencies would need to be fairly easy to incorporate into the setup process or it would be fairly useless to 95-99% of potential buyers and a stupid feature to tout for a mass market AVR. That was the point I was trying to make. I knew that probably wasn't the case and JDsmoothie verified that. I totally understand the usefulness of being able to EQ those frequencies down below 30hz. This is why I own a Marantz SR7005 and have for several years. It's why I'll probably be purchasing a SR7010 after the new ones come out and the price drops on last years model. I get the whole premise of using REW to try improve the response below 30hz for those who have a subwoofer like I have (vtf3-mk4) that plays down below 30hz. I've been actively engaged in this hobby for a good while now and I can tell you I don't have the time nor the inclination to learn REW and I think that's the case with 95%+ AV enthusiasts. I mean my system isn't exactly entry or mid level, but I would rather just buy a SR7010 that does the EQ job for me. To each his own. Enjoy the tinkering.






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YPAO on my 2030 did such a poor job of eq'ing my sub that it wouldnt matter if it did it down to 0.
Manual was the only way to get a good result.
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YPAO on my 2030 did such a poor job of eq'ing my sub that it wouldnt matter if it did it down to 0.

Manual was the only way to get a good result.


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YPAO on my 2030 did such a poor job of eq'ing my sub that it wouldnt matter if it did it down to 0.
Manual was the only way to get a good result.
I added a miniDSP and used REW to EQ my subs. MiniDSP is between my outboard subamps and the RX-A3020
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Stupid question; what is REW?


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Thx; but what does "REW" stand for and mean?? Is it a company or a software program? Sorry, but confused


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Not sure if serious but I'll bite.

R = Room
E = EQ
W = Wizard

It is a piece of software.
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Yes, I was dead serious & Thx for both replies; I'll pass but at least I understand now


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YPAO on my 2030 did such a poor job of eq'ing my sub that it wouldnt matter if it did it down to 0.
Manual was the only way to get a good result.
I don't think any auto-EQ has ever did a good job in EQing subs in the first place. DIRAC and ARC is pretty decent, but that's about it.
YPAO, Audyssey, MCACC or whatever Onkyo calls their auto-EQ now, well they either do a craptacular job or they do something just borderline passable. There's never a "good" in the mainstream brands, auto-EQ wise.
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Seriously considering an A860. AVR died, so I need something new. I think it has everything I want except for Google Cast. MusicCast stuff isn't really out yet, and expensive! Trying to cross-shop between that, Onkyo TX-RZ710 or NR757, and Pioneer LX301. Just afraid of dependability with the Onkyo stuff, don't know about the new Pioneer stuff. I'm open to advice

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