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For those of you having ARC related issues ... here's a good example showing other brands face the same issue ....

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Sorry for delay, post wasn't quoted so didn't know there was a reply. Yeah that still doesn't work, Yamaha is no help they blame Vizio, and Vizio was no help they blamed yamaha.

I just don't get it or see the point as it seems hardly anybody gets it to work, I talked to a few friends and not a single one said they got ARC working correctly including one who is heavy into Home Theatre stuff and design. Sisters fiance has LG and Onkyo and said he couldn't get it to work either even following exact steps on here.

I know I can go optical but trying to keep wires down, and the stubborn part of my brain keeps going Vizio says ARC works, Yamaha says ARC works, its offered..... why doesn't it work lol
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Can anyone advise whether the 2nd HDMI Out works independently of the primary HDMI OUT? I'd like to use it to distribute the same signal simultaneously to other sets in the house. Is that possible? And if it is, does the signal get downgraded to the lowest common denominator amongst all the devices, or can I have a 4k set on the main HDMI and still get 4k even thought I only have HD capable sets that are being fed by the 2nd HDMI OUT?

I'm alo assuming no audio is passed through the 2nd HDMI OUT...is that true?
There are (3) HDMI outputs on the X4300H. Monitor 1 and Monitor 2 are both "main zone" outputs which pass the same source signal while the Zone 2 HDMI output can pass the same or an different HDMI source from the main zone. If the same source is passed to one of the main zone and Zone 2 HDMI outputs, only the lowest common denominator resolution would pass as would be the case with most HDMI splitters.
Thanks for that. What I'm asking about doesn't involve the Zone 2 HDMI out, but rather the simultaneous use of both Zone 1 Monitor 1 and Monitor 2 outputs is possible. And if it is possible, can you connect a 4k capable device to monitor 1 and get 4k out, at the same time Monitor 2 is outputting to non 4k capable sets?


EDIT...I think the manual states that it IS possible to set the amonitor 1 and Monitor 2 to different resolutions, but still doesn't really state whether they are both active at the same time. My goal is to use Monitor 2 to distribute non 4k video of the same source to all other sets around the house, at the same time that Monitor 1 is displaying 4k.

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If both the HDMI MONITOR 1 and HDMI MONITOR 2 connectors are connected and “Resolution” is set to “Auto”, the signals are output with a resolution that is compatible with both TVs. (v p. 196)
When the “Resolution” setting in the menu is not set to “Auto”, set the resolution in “Video” - “HDMI Monitor 1” and “HDMI Monitor 2” to one that is compatible with both TVs. (v p. 255)

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No I understood exactly what you meant, what I was asking, is how do you change your settings on your X4300 without leaving the source and was wondering if you know if my X3300 will do that as well. Thanks.
You simply press the OPTION button on the remote. The X3300W and X4300H use the same GUI.
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Thanks for that. What I'm asking about doesn't involve the Zone 2 HDMI out, but rather the simultaneous use of both Zone 1 Monitor 1 and Monitor 2 outputs is possible. And if it is possible, can you connect a 4k capable device to monitor 1 and get 4k out, at the same time Monitor 2 is outputting to non 4k capable sets?


EDIT...I think the manual states that it IS possible to set the amonitor 1 and Monitor 2 to different resolutions, but still doesn't really state whether they are both active at the same time. My goal is to use Monitor 2 to distribute non 4k video of the same source to all other sets around the house, at the same time that Monitor 1 is displaying 4k.
Not possible. No different than a standard HDMI splitter.
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Thanks for that. What I'm asking about doesn't involve the Zone 2 HDMI out, but rather the simultaneous use of both Zone 1 Monitor 1 and Monitor 2 outputs is possible. And if it is possible, can you connect a 4k capable device to monitor 1 and get 4k out, at the same time Monitor 2 is outputting to non 4k capable sets?


EDIT...I think the manual states that it IS possible to set the amonitor 1 and Monitor 2 to different resolutions, but still doesn't really state whether they are both active at the same time. My goal is to use Monitor 2 to distribute non 4k video of the same source to all other sets around the house, at the same time that Monitor 1 is displaying 4k.
Not possible. No different than a standard HDMI splitter.
So the only differentiation from the monitor 2 output for Zone 1 and the Zone 2 HDMI is....what? The ability to output a different source on the Zone 2?

So for my purposes the dual Zone 1 outs are as worthless as the Zone 2 output. I guess the dual Zone 1 outputs are designed for those that have a projector and a monitor in the same room that they switch between.

I was considering swapping my X3300 for an X4300 but that certainly lessens my desire.

Just curious if ANY receiver can do what I'd like to do?
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I notice on the 4300 if you turn off MultEQ XT32 and go into the Manual EQ there is no sub EQ..?


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I notice on the 4300 if you turn off MultEQ XT32 and go into the Manual EQ there is no sub EQ..?


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Correct.


So there's no way to adjust your sub(s) on your own... interesting. So I'm assuming the XT32 internally adjust them somehow..?


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So there's no way to adjust your sub(s) on your own... interesting. So I'm assuming the XT32 internally adjust them somehow..?


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Correct on both counts. You can however, use the Audyssey MultEQ Editor app ($20).
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HI GUYS ,

I'm in need of a quick advice.

I currently have a x2200 running a 5.1 system as I never could decide between rear surrounds or heights and it didn't really matter as the theatre was not finished.

I'm now in the finishing step and just about to pull the trigger on a new Amp. I can either buy a 6300h and try to sell my 2200 to "try" and please my significant other Or buy the 4300 and keep the 2200.

Could I go from the 4300 and use the 2200 to drive the last channels for 11.2 ??

The difference between the 4300 and 6300 is exactly what I paid for the 2200 18 months ago.

Thanks for your inputs

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HI GUYS ,

I'm in need of a quick advice.

I currently have a x2200 running a 5.1 system as I never could decide between rear surrounds or heights and it didn't really matter as the theatre was not finished.

I'm now in the finishing step and just about to pull the trigger on a new Amp. I can either buy a 6300h and try to sell my 2200 to "try" and please my significant other Or buy the 4300 and keep the 2200.

Could I go from the 4300 and use the 2200 to drive the last channels for 11.2 ??

The difference between the 4300 and 6300 is exactly what I paid for the 2200 18 months ago.

Thanks for your inputs

Chris
Yes.
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Thanks for the quick reply, is there any real advantages to either setups?

If I had been in the states I would've ask for a quote since your so helpful all the time.

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I have an X3300, everything is working wonderfully except 20 minutes into content I get a slight "click".. very quiet.. coming from the receiver. IT'll then happen maybe 20mins to an hour later.

I did have the receiver without very good ventilation for a while which exacerbated the issue and made the clicks very loud.

Now its fairly quiet since I've opened up the ventilation a little more.



Is this fairly normal? I know I am being a bit pedantic and in all honesty the noise could even be coming from different equipment in the room. Its hard to produce on demand due to the time it takes for the issue to come up.
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AV gurus, hope you can help. I'm in the market for a new AVR and set my sights on a Denon. I'm looking at x1300w, x2300w, or x3300w.

My current setup -
Yamaha RX-V795a
Q Acoustics 3010 L,R,RL,RR
Q Acoustics 3090C center speaker
Paradigm PDR-12 Subwoofer
Panasonic 65in Plasma TV (seated 9ft away from my couch)

My Yamaha RX-V795a is dying.....and Im looking to replace it with a Denon. I dont have a golden ear. If I can get something decent compare to my current setup, Im okay with that. But I'm also looking forward to playing the newer HD sounds.

x1300w - I like it due to the low price
x2300w - a bit higher power, dont need upscaling, - I wonder if I should pay for that extra bit of power? I am living in a condo and with my Yamaha, my volume is at 9 o'clock most of the time.
x3300w - my only reason to go for this is the MultiEQ XT32

I would like to spend as little as possible but willing to go higher up if I can hear compelling reasons. I know I wont be upgrading again for a very long time once I bought this new AVR so I dont want to make any mistakes. I also dont want to be paying extras for stuff I dont need. As of now x1300w specs has all my needs but just not sure of the sound.

Thank you all in advance for your opinions

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Maybe someone that has the s720 can help..i looked and can't find much.. But the Bluetooth is horrible if I pause 2 mins it loses connection... Is there a workaround for this?
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I notice one thing I don't like.. when playing Online Music if you switch the sound to Pure Direct the tv goes black and there's no display on the front of the receiver unless you press something on the remote. Is this normal?


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Help with 7.2.4 Setup on x4300H

Hey Everyone,

Been a while since I've been around AVS Forum. I need some quick help. I just ordered an x4300H as an upgrade to my x4000 which has served me well.
My question is on the setup of 7.2.4 atmos. I have a emotiva XPA-200 laying around so I plan to use that in the mix.

Looking for suggestions on the connection to the x4300, do I just use the RCA Line out for Front L/R connected to the XPA-200 then connect the rest to the Receiver. I have all Klipsch series speakers Front are RP-280F, Center is RC-62II, Back RB-61II, Surrounds RP-240S and Atmos x 4 RP-140SA

I'm just trying to figure out which speakers get connected to which terminals on the back x4300 so I can get the 7.2.4 atmos and DTS-X to work correctly.

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Thanks for any help with my config.
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Hey Everyone,

Been a while since I've been around AVS Forum. I need some quick help. I just ordered an x4300H as an upgrade to my x4000 which has served me well.
My question is on the setup of 7.2.4 atmos. I have a emotiva XPA-200 laying around so I plan to use that in the mix.

Looking for suggestions on the connection to the x4300, do I just use the RCA Line out for Front L/R connected to the XPA-200 then connect the rest to the Receiver. I have all Klipsch series speakers Front are RP-280F, Center is RC-62II, Back RB-61II, Surrounds RP-240S and Atmos x 4 RP-140SA

I'm just trying to figure out which speakers get connected to which terminals on the back x4300 so I can get the 7.2.4 atmos and DTS-X to work correctly.

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Thanks for any help with my config.
Regards!!!

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I use an AudioSource AD1002 (50W class D stereo amp) driving the rear heights, with the AVR driving the other 9 speakers. Setting up Atmos 7.1.4 was straightforward.
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AV gurus, hope you can help. I'm in the market for a new AVR and set my sights on a Denon. I'm looking at x1300w, x2300w, or x3300w.

My current setup -
Yamaha RX-V795a
Q Acoustics 3010 L,R,RL,RR
Q Acoustics 3090C center speaker
Paradigm PDR-12 Subwoofer
Panasonic 65in Plasma TV (seated 9ft away from my couch)

My Yamaha RX-V795a is dying.....and Im looking to replace it with a Denon. I dont have a golden ear. If I can get something decent compare to my current setup, Im okay with that. But I'm also looking forward to playing the newer HD sounds.

x1300w - I like it due to the low price
x2300w - a bit higher power, dont need upscaling, - I wonder if I should pay for that extra bit of power? I am living in a condo and with my Yamaha, my volume is at 9 o'clock most of the time.
x3300w - my only reason to go for this is the MultiEQ XT32

I would like to spend as little as possible but willing to go higher up if I can hear compelling reasons. I know I wont be upgrading again for a very long time once I bought this new AVR so I dont want to make any mistakes. I also dont want to be paying extras for stuff I dont need. As of now x1300w specs has all my needs but just not sure of the sound.

Thank you all in advance for your opinions
I just bought the X3300W and love it so far. The main reason was for XT32 as recommended by many here to get. It is only a little more right now than the X2300W, and as I was told well worth it for the XT32.
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Hey Everyone,

Been a while since I've been around AVS Forum. I need some quick help. I just ordered an x4300H as an upgrade to my x4000 which has served me well.
My question is on the setup of 7.2.4 atmos. I have a emotiva XPA-200 laying around so I plan to use that in the mix.

Looking for suggestions on the connection to the x4300, do I just use the RCA Line out for Front L/R connected to the XPA-200 then connect the rest to the Receiver. I have all Klipsch series speakers Front are RP-280F, Center is RC-62II, Back RB-61II, Surrounds RP-240S and Atmos x 4 RP-140SA

I'm just trying to figure out which speakers get connected to which terminals on the back x4300 so I can get the 7.2.4 atmos and DTS-X to work correctly.

Sorry if this has been discussed before.

Thanks for any help with my config.
Regards!!!

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I notice one thing I don't like.. when playing Online Music if you switch the sound to Pure Direct the tv goes black and there's no display on the front of the receiver unless you press something on the remote. Is this normal?


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Yup. The PURE DIRECT mode minimizes video processing to include passing no analog video sources. Use the DIRECT mode if you must see the front panel display on all the time.
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Maybe someone that has the s720 can help..i looked and can't find much.. But the Bluetooth is horrible if I pause 2 mins it loses connection... Is there a workaround for this?
Not sure it will help, but refer to post 5 and do a "Discrete Network chip only reset." You also may want to consider using a phone/tablet app instead.
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AV gurus, hope you can help. I'm in the market for a new AVR and set my sights on a Denon. I'm looking at x1300w, x2300w, or x3300w.

My current setup -
Yamaha RX-V795a
Q Acoustics 3010 L,R,RL,RR
Q Acoustics 3090C center speaker
Paradigm PDR-12 Subwoofer
Panasonic 65in Plasma TV (seated 9ft away from my couch)

My Yamaha RX-V795a is dying.....and Im looking to replace it with a Denon. I dont have a golden ear. If I can get something decent compare to my current setup, Im okay with that. But I'm also looking forward to playing the newer HD sounds.

x1300w - I like it due to the low price
x2300w - a bit higher power, dont need upscaling, - I wonder if I should pay for that extra bit of power? I am living in a condo and with my Yamaha, my volume is at 9 o'clock most of the time.
x3300w - my only reason to go for this is the MultiEQ XT32

I would like to spend as little as possible but willing to go higher up if I can hear compelling reasons. I know I wont be upgrading again for a very long time once I bought this new AVR so I dont want to make any mistakes. I also dont want to be paying extras for stuff I dont need. As of now x1300w specs has all my needs but just not sure of the sound.

Thank you all in advance for your opinions

Go with the X1300W and enjoy as there is no additional power benefit with the higher models.
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I have an X3300, everything is working wonderfully except 20 minutes into content I get a slight "click".. very quiet.. coming from the receiver. IT'll then happen maybe 20mins to an hour later.

I did have the receiver without very good ventilation for a while which exacerbated the issue and made the clicks very loud.

Now its fairly quiet since I've opened up the ventilation a little more.



Is this fairly normal? I know I am being a bit pedantic and in all honesty the noise could even be coming from different equipment in the room. Its hard to produce on demand due to the time it takes for the issue to come up.
Confirm where the noise originates.
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If I had been in the states I would've ask for a quote since your so helpful all the time.

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1. Using the X4300H + 2CH amp is obviously less costly and why it has been the most popular model sold by us this year.
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Yes, it's normal and by design according to the owners manual page 140. When you switch into this mode you're asking the receiver to switch into a mode with the highest sound quality than even Direct playback provides. By design, the main unit display is turned off as is the analog video circuit to suppress any possibility of other noise sources that could effect audio quality.

Solution? Switch to another mode. I bet your ears can't tell a difference -- I never use "Pure Direct".

UPDATE: Oops, we know who (thank you @jdsmoothie again) beat me to a reply as I was working my way through overnight posts.
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I'm thinking of picking up an H3300W to drive a pair of Definitive StudioMonitor 55s since I found a nice deal on a refurbed unit. I'm also using a powered Outlaw sub.

I mostly care about music quality at mid-high volume levels, but good performance for movie content is also important. Given that I'm only powering two speakers with the receiver at this point, would there be any benefit to bi-amping? If I don't bi-amp am I leaving unused power on the table as I'm not driving any other channels other than the fronts? Or is all of the available power going to be funneled there regardless? Thanks.
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Assign Mode: 11.1
Floor
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: 5ch & SB
Height
– Height Sp
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- Layout: Front Height + Rear Height (if RP-140SA speakers mounted on the front/rear walls) or Front Dolby + Surround/Back Dolby (if RP-140SA's mounted on top of speakers)
- Pre-out: Front

Thanks JD for your help, Seems pretty straight forward.
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Keep 3300 or switch to 4300?

Hi my name is Mark B and I'm addicted to gadgets. It's been awhile since I've attended a meeting, but here goes.

...Trying to decide what to do. I've got the X3300 and really like it. It's got all I need and more, with one exception....I don't like the way it looks on the front. It replaced an Onkyo 818 that had the door on it and a two-line display similar to the X4300. So with all the sales on the X4300, I ordered one, and can return my X3300.

I keep asking myself, is it worth $200 to upgrade? Obviously that question can only be answered by me, but I was wondering if you all could help me justify the added expense LOL.

I know the X4300 has the added feature of two more amplifiers to drive two additional rear height speakers, and there is a slim possibility that I would go ahead and do that. However I ask myself whether I would do that within the next year, thinking that maybe I should save the upgrade for a future version of a receiver, to more future proof myself (like there is even a way to do that LOL), in that I could get the X3500 or X4500 in 12-18 months that may have more toys on it. Then again, I just purchased an LG OLEDC65C7P, and I do not see myself replacing that anytime soon.

Ive looked at jdsmoothie's comparison post at the beginning and am aware of the other differences, but wondering if there's anything about the X4300 that I'm discounting as an added benefit. I had hoped to use the 2nd Main Source HDMI Out to distribute the same video around the house that was on the main display, but according to jdsmoothie, the video quality would fall to the lowest common denominator of all interconnected devices, and I'd lose 4k on the main set. If that was it true, then it'd be a no-brainer for me to keep the X4300.

The "32 bit DAC" I assume is one of those buzz terms that to a non-audiophile like me will bring zero benefit? I will never have a turntable, don't need the 2nd 12v trigger, won't set up Zone 3 (or for that matter Zone 2!)...the internal cooling fan is about all that's left, and even then I wonder if it would add noise?

The X3300 actually has a feature on it that I would lose going to the X4300, and that is the ability to plug an iPod into it and access all the music from it. I had an old iPod Classic laying around, so it's loaded with my entire library and is plugged into the front and lays just under the edge of the receiver. It can be played through the Denon app without having to stream from iTunes or my iPhone. Full navigation of playlists, just as if you were navigating with the iPod interface, Very cool,....except I rarely listen to music! so the HEOS on the X4300 will go unused for me.

So, like I said at the beginning, this is like my "Gadgetguy Anonymous" meeting, and I just need to talk it out and make my own decision...but I want your opinion! As I've written this, I think it's clear that I should just keep the X3300, as it does all I need and more, but the allure of a little extra power (for bragging rights only, as I know the extra 20w is pretty meaningless) and that sleek front and two-line display keep drawing me back in!

Thanks for reading this! Your ideas and thoughts are appreciated.

LG OLED65C7P / Denon AVR-X4300H / Oppo UDP-203 / Apple TV 4K
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Hi my name is Mark B and I'm addicted to gadgets. It's been awhile since I've attended a meeting, but here goes.

...Trying to decide what to do. I've got the X3300 and really like it. It's got all I need and more, with one exception....I don't like the way it looks on the front. It replaced an Onkyo 818 that had the door on it and a two-line display similar to the X4300. So with all the sales on the X4300, I ordered one, and can return my X3300.

I keep asking myself, is it worth $200 to upgrade? Obviously that question can only be answered by me, but I was wondering if you all could help me justify the added expense LOL.

I know the X4300 has the added feature of two more amplifiers to drive two additional rear height speakers, and there is a slim possibility that I would go ahead and do that. However I ask myself whether I would do that within the next year, thinking that maybe I should save the upgrade for a future version of a receiver, to more future proof myself (like there is even a way to do that LOL), in that I could get the X3500 or X4500 in 12-18 months that may have more toys on it. Then again, I just purchased an LG OLEDC65C7P, and I do not see myself replacing that anytime soon.

Ive looked at jdsmoothie's comparison post at the beginning and am aware of the other differences, but wondering if there's anything about the X4300 that I'm discounting as an added benefit. I had hoped to use the 2nd Main Source HDMI Out to distribute the same video around the house that was on the main display, but according to jdsmoothie, the video quality would fall to the lowest common denominator of all interconnected devices, and I'd lose 4k on the main set. If that was it true, then it'd be a no-brainer for me to keep the X4300.

The "32 bit DAC" I assume is one of those buzz terms that to a non-audiophile like me will bring zero benefit? I will never have a turntable, don't need the 2nd 12v trigger, won't set up Zone 3 (or for that matter Zone 2!)...the internal cooling fan is about all that's left, and even then I wonder if it would add noise?

The X3300 actually has a feature on it that I would lose going to the X4300, and that is the ability to plug an iPod into it and access all the music from it. I had an old iPod Classic laying around, so it's loaded with my entire library and is plugged into the front and lays just under the edge of the receiver. It can be played through the Denon app without having to stream from iTunes or my iPhone. Full navigation of playlists, just as if you were navigating with the iPod interface, Very cool,....except I rarely listen to music! so the HEOS on the X4300 will go unused for me.

So, like I said at the beginning, this is like my "Gadgetguy Anonymous" meeting, and I just need to talk it out and make my own decision...but I want your opinion! As I've written this, I think it's clear that I should just keep the X3300, as it does all I need and more, but the allure of a little extra power (for bragging rights only, as I know the extra 20w is pretty meaningless) and that sleek front and two-line display keep drawing me back in!

Thanks for reading this! Your ideas and thoughts are appreciated.
Perhaps this will help. As of now, all the tech for 4K video is pretty much cemented. There will not be any more major advancements until the industry starts to push 8K. The UHD players are still in the Enthusiast price range and have only just started to be made with Dolby Vision enabled. There will not be any major HDR, or sound revisions for a good while (4-5 years likely). And with Dolby Atmos, it has only just hit both theaters and home audio and is also not likely to have any major changes in it for just as long. Because of that any modern receiver you buy is for the most part as future proof as it gets.

The better DAC and better Audyssey calibration are also major pluses. The increased power will likely not matter unless you have a massive room.

So, if you want to have have anything more than 5/7.x.x then it will be worth the extra $200 if it is within your budget. Even if you will not add speakers for another year it will still be worth the cost of upgrade. This is a very good time tech-wise to invest in audio/video. It is early enough in the upgrade cycle that you will get a lot of use out of your purchases. If I had the budget I would return my x2300 and upgrade to the x4300, however, I cannot afford the extra $300 since I have now have an infant at home to worry about.
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