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The X4300 looks interesting. I was planning to go with a recertified X6200 but had some unexpected bills come up so put a temporary hold on the purchase. Other than the 2 additional amps, uprated power output, and ability to expand to 11ch, what would I be giving up with the X4300 compared to the X6200? Is there any significant gain with the X4300?
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Except that the 2015 models can't. They can scale and have a GUI screen overlay at 2160p60, yes, but only with 4:2:0 color. You can get 4:4:4 color, but only at 24/30/50 FPS on the 2015 models. 4:4:4 color at 60 FPS is important for the gamers among us (4:2:0 ravages text).
Any problems with 2160p60-4:4:4 if you disable the GUI overlay?
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The X4300 looks interesting. I was planning to go with a recertified X6200 but had some unexpected bills come up so put a temporary hold on the purchase. Other than the 2 additional amps, uprated power output, and ability to expand to 11ch, what would I be giving up with the X4300 compared to the X6200? Is there any significant gain with the X4300?
Since these 2016 models are nearly the same as their 2015 counterparts, there isn't really anything gained by going with the 4300 vs the previous year's model. I have to imagine the 6200 closeout pricing will be similar to the 4300 new pricing when released, so it seems like a smart move to go with the 6200 and get the beefier amps and build quality, and 9 built-in amp channels.
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Since these 2016 models are nearly the same as their 2015 counterparts, there isn't really anything gained by going with the 4300 vs the previous year's model. I have to imagine the 6200 closeout pricing will be similar to the 4300 new pricing when released, so it seems like a smart move to go with the 6200 and get the beefier amps and build quality, and 9 built-in amp channels.
When does closeout pricing for the 6200 happen?
September/October?

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When does closeout pricing for the 6200 happen?
September/October?
Whenever dealers want to start moving out the previous year's models to make room for the current year's models ... for the X6200W, likely Aug/Sep.
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1. The new delay setting simply provides additional delay.
2. I actually say "No analog --> HDMI conversion"
[QUOTE=shae;43840938]Thanks JD.

Can you elaborate on "Auto Lip sync delay (increase from 200ms to 500ms)"?
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I have one more question about this in general; The HDMI feature on my 2015 receiver is simply called "auto lip-sync" the audio delay in AUDIO settings is a manual version lip-syncing right? are these features independant or each other or do they combine, resulting in a total delay; (auto+manual=delay)?


i suppose the audio delay has been increased and the hdmi feature is stil an on/off switch?
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I have one more question about this in general; The HDMI feature on my 2015 receiver is simply called "auto lip-sync" the audio delay in AUDIO settings is a manual version lip-syncing right? are these features independant or each other or do they combine, resulting in a total delay; (auto+manual=delay)?


i suppose the audio delay has been increased and the hdmi feature is stil an on/off switch?

Correct. They can be used independently or together. Personally, I've never had to use the delay feature as the "Auto Lip Sync" has done it's job perfectly.

If the "Auto Lip Sync" feature does not correct the delay, the "Delay" setting can be used to fine tune the adjustment.
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I think "auto sync" is for when a downstream device, like a TV, reports its latency. Then the upstream device, the receiver, can delay the audio to match. But I think TVs don't necessarily report the correct value. Another problem is that the delay can change depending on your TV settings, and I think dynamically changing the delay is only a feature of HDMI 2.

Manual audio delay is useful when you're sitting far away from the speakers, and for badly synced broadcasts.
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Are any 2016 Denon owners interfacing with one of the new 4k Vizio P-series displays?

My Denon 3808 can only do HDMI 1.3 so I need to upgrade my receiver too.

Because I won't be relying on the receiver to scale anything to 4k, it looks like I can get away with something cheaper like the S-720 or 920.

Any other opinions? Upgrading to the equivalent X series doesn't seem to add much at the low end.
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Upgrading to the X series does add a couple of important things -- besides the 3rd year of warranty, you get the superior XT version of Audyssey to match that on your 3808. The S models have regular MultEQ.
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I'm thinking about getting the 720w (never owned a receiver before), and was trying to find what the differences between the 720 (2016) and the 710 (2015) were. The post at the beginning of the thread did not state any differences (was blank); I wasn't sure if it meant that there weren't any or if they are yet to be noticed. It would be amazing if someone could shed some light into this.
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To be honest, there appears to be basically no important differences. The 2014>2015 model change was very significant with the addition of HDCP 2.2, full 4K/UHD support and Atmos/DTS:X, whereas the 2015-2016 change appears to be extremely minimal. So if you can find the S710W for a better price then go for it.
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I'm thinking about getting the 720w (never owned a receiver before), and was trying to find what the differences between the 720 (2016) and the 710 (2015) were. The post at the beginning of the thread did not state any differences (was blank); I wasn't sure if it meant that there weren't any or if they are yet to be noticed. It would be amazing if someone could shed some light into this.
Post 1 lists the changes for the 2016 models.
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Post 1 lists the changes for the 2016 models.
Do you guys know if any receivers such as Denon/Marantz (not Onkyo/Pioneer) that will be supporting MQA?

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Upgrading to the X series does add a couple of important things -- besides the 3rd year of warranty, you get the superior XT version of Audyssey to match that on your 3808. The S models have regular MultEQ.
This is a good point about not sacrificing audio quality.

I also notice the X2300W starts coming with 2 HDMI outputs. Do you know if I can setup this receiver in "mirror mode" to drive 2 displays? That would be a feature worth having for the TV I am looking at since it has multiple inputs with different levels of latency/processing.
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This is a good point about not sacrificing audio quality.

I also notice the X2300W starts coming with 2 HDMI outputs. Do you know if I can setup this receiver in "mirror mode" to drive 2 displays? That would be a feature worth having for the TV I am looking at since it has multiple inputs with different levels of latency/processing.
Yes, Video Monitor settings are Auto (dual), Monitor 1, Monitor 2.
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Do you guys know if any receivers such as Denon/Marantz (not Onkyo/Pioneer) that will be supporting MQA?

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AFAIK, not for 2016.
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Glad I didn't wait for the 2016 models... looks like there isn't much new on the 4300 that I would want/need.
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Since these 2016 models are nearly the same as their 2015 counterparts, there isn't really anything gained by going with the 4300 vs the previous year's model. I have to imagine the 6200 closeout pricing will be similar to the 4300 new pricing when released, so it seems like a smart move to go with the 6200 and get the beefier amps and build quality, and 9 built-in amp channels.
I'm looking at these models as well. X6200 gives you dual fans (on the bottom) better amps ,HD radio, gold binding posts and it's still built in Japan for what that's worth . If your gong to run a 5.1.4 setup eventually to me it would be worth it over the X4300. Still mulling it over though.

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If the x300 series really are no better than the x200 series there's going to be a blood bath trying to grab the x200's off Amazon, etc., when their prices drop.
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I don't know. Most people just buy based on "higher model numbers".
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I can assure you if I can get a 6200 near the price of a 4300, I'll be getting that old outdated obsolete last year's model.....
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seems like a no-brainer to me. The 6200 is more powerful, has slightly better build quality and features, 9 amps built in and can expand to 11ch....
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I can assure you if I can get a 6200 near the price of a 4300, I'll be getting that old outdated obsolete last year's model.....
You're of the small percentage of buyers that researches beforehand.

Also, 6200 is a higher number than 4300.
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At this level of cost? One would hope some research is done.
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You mentioned initially the whole of the X#200 and X#300 series. And anyway, true audiophiles don't research, no matter the cost.
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Do we have any info about the fans on the X6300W?
Perhaps it's more suitable for using inside cabinets/furniture...
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Do we have any info about the fans on the X6300W?
Perhaps it's more suitable for using inside cabinets/furniture...
The fans will go on when the internal temp reaches 158 degrees F. Ideally you'll still want an open front and back for proper ventilation.
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Whoa! The X3300W is getting Audyssey MultEQ XT32? That's awesome.

Do we have any idea when in June it's coming? Does anyone have a compelling reason why I should consider the X4300W? On paper, the step-up features don't seem that great to me.
I'd love to know X3300 availability too, because I'm looking to buy a new receiver very soon or a closeout/refurb X4200. MultEQ XT32 and SubEQ-HT are the only features I really want to add, so I couldn't justify the extra expense of the 4xxx series. I'm using an antimode 8033s-ii for my dual subwoofer 5.1 setup, but I'm about to add a 3rd sub and possibly 2 atmos speakers.
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I'd love to know X3300 availability too, because I'm looking to buy a new receiver very soon or a closeout/refurb X4200. MultEQ XT32 and SubEQ-HT are the only features I really want to add, so I couldn't justify the extra expense of the 4xxx series. I'm using an antimode 8033s-ii for my dual subwoofer 5.1 setup, but I'm about to add a 3rd sub and possibly 2 atmos speakers.
Only info currently available is "June."
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