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The 2016 models:
https://www.avforums.com/article/mar...p-sr7011.12681


I can't see much new stuff, apart from HEOS...
A good reason to keep my 7010
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The 2016 models:
https://www.avforums.com/article/mar...p-sr7011.12681


I can't see much new stuff, apart from HEOS...
A good reason to keep my 7010
They're supposed to have a new Audissey App to tweak calibration, something like the Pro Kit, seems interesting and maybe they can rival Dirac
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^ If the new Audyssey app (will cost around $30) allows tweaking the target curve and select which channels can be disabled/enabled, will be of interest to those who would like to dial in their system. It should be a significant improvement over the cumbersome pro kit. The Audyssey correction filters wont be the same as what Dirac does. Dirac uses a mixed phase response that deals with frequency correction and time. My understanding is that Audyssey focuses on just frequency response and let the time correction fall where ever it lands.

The way bass management is implemented on the pre/pro/receiver and ability to select the appropriate filter is just as important, but that's something that D&M Holdings would have to open up to users. Hoping that they would.

I'm wondering what type of audio improvements that Marantz is offering in their 2016 models compared to 2015?

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^ If the new Audyssey app (will cost around $30) allows tweaking the target curve and select which channels can be disabled/enabled, will be of interest to those who would like to dial in their system. It should be a significant improvement over the cumbersome pro kit. The Audyssey correction filters wont be the same as what Dirac does. Dirac uses a mixed phase response that deals with frequency correction and time. My understanding is that Audyssey focuses on just frequency response and let the time correction fall where ever it lands.

The way bass management is implemented on the pre/pro/receiver and ability to select the appropriate filter is just as important, but that's something that D&M Holdings would have to open up to users. Hoping that they would.

I'm wondering what type of audio improvements that Marantz is offering in their 2016 models compared to 2015?
Audyssey corrects in both the time and frequency domain.

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^ Unfortunately jd, what Audyssey claim in their writing didn't come true with in-room measurements using REW.

The Energy Time Curves (ETC) which has energy on the y-axis and time on the x-axis show that the time decay before and after Audyssey being about the same for the important center channel with XT32. I was a bit surprised with this result and thought it was due to user error. I then re-measured and came with similar results.

After putting the DDRC-88A with Dirac Live into the audio chain, then carrying out REW measurements there was an improvement in the ETC. Switching back to XT32 showed much worse ETC.

The corrections in the frequency domain between Audyssey XT32 and Dirac Live are quite close and within the measurement error of the instrument.
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Guys, how does the Audyssey app on the Marantz 6011 work? Is it on top of the already built in XT32? Or do I have to purchase hardware for it? I don't understand it. (Yes I am a noob in a certain way)


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^ Unfortunately jd, what Audyssey claim in their writing didn't come true with in-room measurements using REW.

The Energy Time Curves (ETC) which has energy on the y-axis and time on the x-axis show that the time decay before and after Audyssey being about the same for the important center channel with XT32. I was a bit surprised with this result and thought it was due to user error. I then re-measured and came with similar results.

After putting the DDRC-88A with Dirac Live into the audio chain, then carrying out REW measurements there was an improvement in the ETC. Switching back to XT32 showed much worse ETC.

The corrections in the frequency domain between Audyssey XT32 and Dirac Live are quite close and within the measurement error of the instrument.

If you don't believe that to be the case, I would suggest taking it up with Audyssey directly.
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Guys, how does the Audyssey app on the Marantz 6011 work? Is it on top of the already built in XT32? Or do I have to purchase hardware for it? I don't understand it. (Yes I am a noob in a certain way)


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Other than what was listed in the European article, there is no additional information available at this time. More information is likely to become available later this fall when the app is due to be released.

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Other than what was listed in the European article, there is on additional information available at this time. More information is likely to become available later this fall when the app is due to be released.


Thanks for your reply. I am looking forward to the new releases!


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Will the AVR pass Dolby Vision?

It's been said that the introduction of the new HDMI 2.0 High Dynamic Range (HDR) feature has a bigger impact on the picture quality then upgrading from a 1080p to 4k TV. There are two competing HDR technologies so when purchasing a new 4k TV (or if you already own one) it is important to understand whether your TV supports HDR at all (older 4k models do not) and if yes, whether it supports only HDR10 or also supports Dolby Vision (see chart below indicating some early information):

HDR10 - open standard; firmware upgradeable; required format on the new 4k UHD BDs

Dolby Vision - Dolby's proprietary hardware chip required in both the source device and the TV but not the AVR, however, the AVR must have the capability to pass the Dolby Vision video (2016 models will be receiving a firmware update to allow for this); optional format on 4k BDs

All 2015 and 2016 Denon and Marantz AVRs are HDR10 capable, but only the 2016 models will eventually be able to pass Dolby Vision after receiving a firmware update late 2017/early 2018.



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I have a Samsung UE55HU7500 tv. I don't know which HDR version it supports when combined with a Denon 4200 or a Marantz 6010 (still waiting for a price drop).

When I get an UHD Bluray player will it play right even if my tv doesn't support HDR?


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I have a Samsung UE55HU7500 tv. I don't know which HDR version it supports when combined with a Denon 4200 or a Marantz 6010 (still waiting for a price drop).

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1. That model only supports HDMI 2.0 and HDR is HDMI 2.0a, so no HDR at all.
2. It should yes, simply won't pass the HDR metadata.
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1. That model only supports HDMI 2.0 and HDR is HDMI 2.0a, so no HDR at all.

2. It should yes, simply won't pass the HDR metadata.


Do you think it's a good decision to buy the evolution kit SEK-3500? I've been told it supports HDR?

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Do you think it's a good decision to buy the evolution kit SEK-3500? I've been told it supports HDR?
If it adds HDR support to your TV, then yes.
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Marantz SR-6011 is a (.1 channel so I expect it to do 5.1.4, correct? Thats a step up from the 6010 which id 7.2 channel right?
If you the 6011 hits the sweet spot for price and performance!
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Marantz SR-6011 is a (.1 channel so I expect it to do 5.1.4, correct? Thats a step up from the 6010 which id 7.2 channel right?
If you the 6011 hits the sweet spot for price and performance!
The SR6011 will have 9 on board amps and capable of 5.1.4 out of the box, while the SR6010 has 7 on board amps and requires adding a 2CH amp for a 5.1.4 setup.
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will the marantz sr6011 be able to do 7.1.4 with 2 ch external amplification?
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will the marantz sr6011 be able to do 7.1.4 with 2 ch external amplification?
Based on articles published in Europe, that would seem to be the case, yes.
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Post number 4 has been up-dated on the new SR-5011 model, expected to be released this month.

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Dumb question, but why should I care about an AVR's 4K/HDR/DV video capabilities if I hook the UHD BDP directly to the TV? I was under the impression the TV's video processor would likely be superior to the AVR's. Has Marantz shown better video processing than some/many/most TV manufactures?

If there is not a real video processing edge, then deciding on an AVR becomes an issue of how the audio is handled (5/7/9/11 speakers, clean volume, audio codecs supported, sound signature, etc...). I am leaning towards a discounted 6010 when the 6011 model comes out for its 5.1.4 capability (with an external amp) and Atmos/DTX handling coupled with a warmer sound signature for which Marantz is known.

Where am I off-base (sincerely asked)?
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Dumb question, but why should I care about an AVR's 4K/HDR/DV video capabilities if I hook the UHD BDP directly to the TV? I was under the impression the TV's video processor would likely be superior to the AVR's. Has Marantz shown better video processing than some/many/most TV manufactures?

If there is not a real video processing edge, then deciding on an AVR becomes an issue of how the audio is handled (5/7/9/11 speakers, clean volume, audio codecs supported, sound signature, etc...). I am leaning towards a discounted 6010 when the 6011 model comes out for its 5.1.4 capability (with an external amp) and Atmos/DTX handling coupled with a warmer sound signature for which Marantz is known.

Where am I off-base (sincerely asked)?
If your 4k source has dual HDMI outputs, then yes, you can pass the video to the TV and audio to the AVR; however, note the SR6010 is 4k/HDR/DV so no reason you can't pass the video through it. Some owners will have multiple 4k video sources in which it is then easier to use the AVR as an HDMI switch especially as not all sources will have dual HDMI outputs if using an older model (eg. SR6009).
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Dumb question, but why should I care about an AVR's 4K/HDR/DV video capabilities if I hook the UHD BDP directly to the TV? I was under the impression the TV's video processor would likely be superior to the AVR's. Has Marantz shown better video processing than some/many/most TV manufactures?

If there is not a real video processing edge, then deciding on an AVR becomes an issue of how the audio is handled (5/7/9/11 speakers, clean volume, audio codecs supported, sound signature, etc...). I am leaning towards a discounted 6010 when the 6011 model comes out for its 5.1.4 capability (with an external amp) and Atmos/DTX handling coupled with a warmer sound signature for which Marantz is known.

Where am I off-base (sincerely asked)?
Both the SR6010 and SR6011 handle 4K video. It's the 2014 models (those with model numbers ending in 09) which can't handle HDCP v2.2 and thus can't pass 4K copy-protected video.

Whether a TV's 4K processor is better at upscaling non-4K material than a receiver's video processor depends on their designs. Some TVs are better than some AVRs and some AVRs are better than some TVs. The least expensive TVs tend to have poor upscalers.

You need an AVR capable of handling 4K UHD/HDR (DV is irrelevant: it has to be processed in the player and in the TV, not the receiver) if you want to be able to experience both 4K video and multichannel HD and immersive audio from multiple player devices. While you can connect 4K players directly to your TV, I don't know of any TVs which bitstream multichannel immersive audio (like Atmos and DTS:X) to their audio outputs. Although the current 4K UHD Blu-ray players have two HDMI outputs, one for video to the TV and one for audio to the receiver, 4K streamer devices (like the Roku 4) have only a single HDMI output.

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I may have missed this, but does this twin HDMI output method work even with the HDCP 2.2 issue?
I.e. If the AVR is not HDCP 2.2 compliant, has anyone actually managed to connect their 4k UHD player to their TV / PJ, and another HDMI out to a non HDCP 2.2 AVR. Not in theory but true example of successful connections. We have many opinions on this, but I may have missed out reading about members who have done this in reality.
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I may have missed this, but does this twin HDMI output method work even with the HDCP 2.2 issue?
I.e. If the AVR is not HDCP 2.2 compliant, has anyone actually managed to connect their 4k UHD player to their TV / PJ, and another HDMI out to a non HDCP 2.2 AVR. Not in theory but true example of successful connections. We have many opinions on this, but I may have missed out reading about members who have done this in reality.
HDCP 2.2 only refers to the video, so yes, when passing the video straight to the TV, the AVR is out of play video wise.
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Post number 4 has been up-dated on the new SR-5011 model, expected to be released this month.
Yes indeed, in fact, AVS is expecting our first shipment of the SR5011 in tomorrow. Those interested please call AVS for pricing.
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Will 2015 Marantz models (NR1606, SR5010, SR6010, SR7010 and 7702mkII) have support for the new Audyssey app?

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What 2016 models will be made in Japan?

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Been planning to upgrade my current H/K 1710 AVR to a Marantz. Mostly likely the 50xx. Now that I see the 5011 isn't much different than the 5010, I can hopefully find a really good price on a refurb 5010 soon
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Will 2015 Marantz models (NR1606, SR5010, SR6010, SR7010 and 7702mkII) have support for the new Audyssey app?
AFAIK, no, as that is a selling point for the newer 2016 models.
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