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A search of this thread would have given you the answer to this. Unfortunately only the 2060 or 3060 feature dual sub EQ.

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😭😭😭😭 yes should have read the fine print. I was in a hurry since my whole entertainment system was down when my Denon stopped working after only a couple of years, so I switched to Yamaha and now it will need to spend even more just to eq my subs correctly. Lesson learned
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Sounds like a good plan. One tip, the minidsp allows its own set of filters that are separate to that of what YPAO sets. So if you are going to be using any filters on the minidsp, you may want to disable the YPAO one. It's a little tedious as you have to manually copy every setting, so see what works best for you.
Ben... what about this other approach... that will not allow YPAO to apply any filters to the Sub...

Run YPAO without a Sub (knowing beforehand what YPAO did to distance and levels)... then, after YPAO runs, manually add a Sub... and then use miniDSP or other EQ solution to EQ the Sub... make sense?

I will be receiving next week a used the Audyssey equivalent of the AS-EQ1 (their version) that I found at a great price. I plan to record the Sub Level and Distance YPAO already calculated... and then use the approach mentioned with a 120Hz crossover applied at first so the XT32 Sub Auto Eq do its things up to 120Hz so I can then adjust the cross over setting on the AVR between 80-120 as I need... makes sense this taking into account your miniDSP experience with YPAO?

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😭😭😭😭 yes should have read the fine print. I was in a hurry since my whole entertainment system was down when my Denon stopped working after only a couple of years, so I switched to Yamaha and now it will need to spend even more just to eq my subs correctly. Lesson learned
you can get a mini dsp for your subs and get them eq better then the yamaha could do
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😭😭😭😭 yes should have read the fine print. I was in a hurry since my whole entertainment system was down when my Denon stopped working after only a couple of years, so I switched to Yamaha and now it will need to spend even more just to eq my subs correctly. Lesson learned
Don't worry about it. Most of us are happy to answer reasonable questions, as yours was, even if the questioner didn't search the thread first.
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Ben... what about this other approach... that will not allow YPAO to apply any filters to the Sub...

Run YPAO without a Sub (knowing beforehand what YPAO did to distance and levels)... then, after YPAO runs, manually add a Sub... and then use miniDSP or other EQ solution to EQ the Sub... make sense?

I will be receiving next week a used the Audyssey equivalent of the AS-EQ1 (their version) that I found at a great price. I plan to record the Sub Level and Distance YPAO already calculated... and then use the approach mentioned with a 120Hz crossover applied at first so the XT32 Sub Auto Eq do its things up to 120Hz so I can then adjust the cross over setting on the AVR between 80-120 as I need... makes sense this taking into account your miniDSP experience with YPAO?
Interesting idea. I've never tried this approach because I barely do EQ above 100hz anymore. Fortunately for my room, the RSC filters weren't really needed as I just needed to tame the 5khz - 8khz region with a few -db cuts. A subtle adjustment just to get that sweet spot for me.

That said, I don't think the filters that you can set on the minidsp (or the AS-EQ1 in your case) are the same at all for YPAO. I mean, the resolution is different already but I'm unsure of how big of a difference that makes. If you don't hear any abnormalities within your soundstage, I think your idea will work fine.

For reference, my setup with YPAO is fairly simple;
1) Use YPAO and let it calculate delays/distance, levels and the initial PEQ pre-set it comes up with. Just for fun, the Natural pre-set actually sounded very decent to my ears.
2) Bass manage by setting my crossovers to 90hz for all channels, I know 80hz is the general standard - but 90hz is simply just the sweet spot in my room.
3) Use REW and a UMIK-1 mic to measure my room/system response; check where the regions are the most problematic - for my case, at 31hz, 45-55hz and 5khz-8khz.
4) Use YPAO manual without copying any of the PEQ presets, with the info I got from REW - do some adjustments at 5khz-8khz and just a slight bump at around 300hz.
5) Connect minidsp, EQ my subs - particularly at the 31hz, 45-55hz and just a slight cut at around 21hz.

It obviously did take a bit of time to learn how to use REW, but honestly it was fairly simple - just a lot of options to go through. I know I can eek out somemore from my system by setting custom filters, but I haven't found the time to do so.
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Today is going to be exciting for me. Finally after drooling for 3 months my Sony XBR-65 A1E Oled is coming today. I put together a nice sound system but didn't really go through all the Video adjustments in my receiver the A2060.
This TV is to die for....just want to make sure I am getting 4-K and HDR through the receiver back to the TV through my HDMI input.
So in the Video section on the receiver will the default settings get me there?
There is the following settings....
Video mode....Direct or Processing....Direct is the default
Aspect....Through or 16.9 normal....Through is default
Resolution....Through or Auto.....Auto is default
HDMI Control.....off or on......Off is default
or is there other setting I should be looking at?
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Honestly, for the vast majority of people Direct is best - the AVR just passes the signal through. Make any adjustments to PQ on the TV. HDMI Control is more of a personal choice. It can cause a lot of confusion. I have a Harmony remote so always make sure it's of on all devices, but if you don't have a universal, programmable remote you might want to give it a go, but be prepared for problems.
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Also make sure your HDMI video format is set to Mode 1( default is Mode 2) Instructions for doing so are on page 155 of the owner's manual.
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Ok sounds good thanks for the help.....it's going to be a fun couple days setting the tv up....good thing I am retired don't have to think about at work...
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Honestly, for the vast majority of people Direct is best - the AVR just passes the signal through. Make any adjustments to PQ on the TV. HDMI Control is more of a personal choice. It can cause a lot of confusion. I have a Harmony remote so always make sure it's of on all devices, but if you don't have a universal, programmable remote you might want to give it a go, but be prepared for problems.
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Also make sure your HDMI video format is set to Mode 1( default is Mode 2) Instructions for doing so are on page 155 of the owner's manual.
I completely agree -- you can verify or mess around later. Set the Mode 1 if needed, note your Setup using Manual, save your latest Setup and run YPAO first off. That new tv has some weird stuff like an angled screen and it "talks". I would want to see if that affects your existing settings.

I need to run YPAO again myself. Minor changes in my room, new info gleaned from this and other threads (thanks folks!), and I have not run YPAO since moving from 55" to 65" tv <slap wrist>. In addition, I have some other things I want to test. Most of my saved YPAO settings were for safety backup as I updated my HT. Now I want to see if my several room options will justify changing my Setup to a saved Backup when I vary those options (blinds down vs blind up for example). There are also furniture and people options vs single MLP that I'd like to check. (Those who have a dedicated HT can setup and enjoy. But with a "living" room, I want to see if the simple expedient of changing to a different Setup Backup might matter. It IS a hobby, right?)

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Video only just called going to be here in a couple hrs....Very expensive TV......changed to mode 1 AND set to direct.....have to take old tv out soon....the Sony xbr-65 a1e is a big jump up...$5500
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Hey guys new 1060 owner here. I am getting things setup and running into a brick wall here. I can't seem to get the video working through HDMI out. I can't even get into the "on screen menu". Which is very frustrating because there is no advanced menu on the unit. I scrolled through the instruction manual and you have to setup each device for hdmi through the on screen menu. Not sure what to do. When I have my ps4 hooked up I can hear the audio coming from it but I still have a black screen. Any suggestions would be awesome.
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Hey guys new 1060 owner here. I am getting things setup and running into a brick wall here. I can't seem to get the video working through HDMI out. I can't even get into the "on screen menu". Which is very frustrating because there is no advanced menu on the unit. I scrolled through the instruction manual and you have to setup each device for hdmi through the on screen menu. Not sure what to do. When I have my ps4 hooked up I can hear the audio coming from it but I still have a black screen. Any suggestions would be awesome.
Try a different cable.
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Today is going to be exciting for me. Finally after drooling for 3 months my Sony XBR-65 A1E Oled is coming today. I put together a nice sound system but didn't really go through all the Video adjustments in my receiver the A2060.
This TV is to die for....just want to make sure I am getting 4-K and HDR through the receiver back to the TV through my HDMI input.
So in the Video section on the receiver will the default settings get me there?
There is the following settings....
Video mode....Direct or Processing....Direct is the default
Aspect....Through or 16.9 normal....Through is default
Resolution....Through or Auto.....Auto is default
HDMI Control.....off or on......Off is default
or is there other setting I should be looking at?
... Do you have mixed emotions regarding what sound system you are going to use ? There has been a very small amount of Audio Discussion over in the A1E Owner's Thread but most discussion has been mostly all Video Content. I've asked a couple of times in the A1E Thread about the Audio System but it has mostly fallen on "deaf ears". I'm sure in time as more owners try out different Video and Audio Settings there will be input about the display's Audio. It will be interesting to see how many that have dedicated sound systems use the Display's Audio System and how many end up using the dedicated sound system. Regardless, I wish you much fun and entertainment with your new audio and video systems !

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@Ben Tan -- As both an AX060 and REW guy, you can probably answer a question that I had come up this afternoon. I connected my Macbook Pro running REW to my 3060 by running an HDMI cable between my MBP and the 3060's front HDMI port. REW couldn't see the receiver and when I did a scan REW sent the test tones for the scan to my MBP's sound card, rather than to my AV system's speakers. Can you suggest what I did wrong and how I might correct it so that REW sees the available channels and plays its test tones through my speakers? Any suggestions others of you might have would also be gratefully received, of course.

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Try a different cable.
Yep, I'm an idiot. Cable was working fine when running pc to tv but was not working through the AV. Plugged in a different cable and it works fine.
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Yep, I'm an idiot. Cable was working fine when running pc to tv but was not working through the AV. Plugged in a different cable and it works fine.
FWIW, you can also access every setting possible via the web setup interface. Its not pretty or very intuitive, but it works well.
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@Ben Tan -- As both an AX060 and REW guy, you can probably answer a question that I had come up this afternoon. I connected my Macbook Pro running REW to my 3060 by running an HDMI cable between my MBP and the 3060's front HDMI port. REW couldn't see the receiver and when I did a scan REW sent the test tones for the scan to my MBP's sound card, rather than to my AV system's speakers. Can you suggest what I did wrong and how I might correct it so that REW sees the available channels and plays its test tones through my speakers? Any suggestions others of you might have would also be gratefully received, of course.
It sounds like your default audio device is set to your MBP instead of your HDMI out (which would be the receiver), which is why REW is seeing the MBP instead.

I don't have a mac, so unfortunately I cannot guide you on the system settings step-by-step. But is there an option on your MBP where you can passthrough ALL audio to your receiver by forcing the HDMI out to be the default connection? In Windows, this can be done via the sound settings. Is there anything similar on the mac?
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Honestly, for the vast majority of people Direct is best - the AVR just passes the signal through. Make any adjustments to PQ on the TV. HDMI Control is more of a personal choice. It can cause a lot of confusion. I have a Harmony remote so always make sure it's of on all devices, but if you don't have a universal, programmable remote you might want to give it a go, but be prepared for problems.
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It sounds like your default audio device is set to your MBP instead of your HDMI out (which would be the receiver), which is why REW is seeing the MBP instead.

I don't have a mac, so unfortunately I cannot guide you on the system settings step-by-step. But is there an option on your MBP where you can passthrough ALL audio to your receiver by forcing the HDMI out to be the default connection? In Windows, this can be done via the sound settings. Is there anything similar on the mac?
That was what it was and it's now fixed. Thanks! You use the Sound settings in Mac OS too.

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Man... I haven't listened to Pandora in a while (usually Spotify or SXM IR). I didn't have any issues with it though...


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Man... I haven't listened to Pandora in a while (usually Spotify or SXM IR). I didn't have any issues with it though...

Thanks - There is definitely a glitch with my 3060
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Hello!

I am having trouble with the decoding. I have a PS4 and when I plug it in and select INFO on the remote it shows PCM instead of the expected DTS.

When testing with movies on my HTPC ATMOS movies will show as NEO:6 Cinema. DTS will show as DTS. DTS-HD will only show DTS.

I feel like I am doing something wrong. The old Onkyo would always display appropriately. Anyone point me to what I am missing?
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Disconnect unit from power for various minutes and re-check,
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Hello!

I am having trouble with the decoding. I have a PS4 and when I plug it in and select INFO on the remote it shows PCM instead of the expected DTS.

When testing with movies on my HTPC ATMOS movies will show as NEO:6 Cinema. DTS will show as DTS. DTS-HD will only show DTS.

I feel like I am doing something wrong. The old Onkyo would always display appropriately. Anyone point me to what I am missing?
You are not bit-streaming from the PS. Check your settings.
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😭😭😭😭 yes should have read the fine print. I was in a hurry since my whole entertainment system was down when my Denon stopped working after only a couple of years, so I switched to Yamaha and now it will need to spend even more just to eq my subs correctly. Lesson learned
Wait... the back photo shows 2 subs outputs.... you mean, control them individually? I know they are wired in parallel.

Anyway, if you have 2 subs.. I would recommend you look for miniDSP or other EQ solution for multisubs as you might get more of them by doing that.
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Wait... the back photo shows 2 subs outputs.... you mean, control them individually? I know they are wired in parallel.

Anyway, if you have 2 subs.. I would recommend you look for miniDSP or other EQ solution for multisubs as you might get more of them by doing that.
Yes I wanted to control individually just like my old Denon did. Guess I will have to get a minidsp and play with that.
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Sounds like you are not watching much 4K content so leave the Yamaha in "Mode 2" and turn off the video processing in the Yamaha and let your devices send their native data to the TV.

Just so you are not surprised later, even "certified" cables generally fail when trying to transmit 4K/60 over long (>15ft) distances. You should be fine with 1080p at that distance.
Ugh, installed new certified cable - no improvement. Updated firmware, no improvement. Put receiver in mode 2 (actually, it was already there but I switched to mode 1 for a while to see if that was any better) no improvement. I also turned off that TV sense feature where it will match the resolution of the TV and limited it to 1080p, I still get dropouts.

TLDR- 25 foot certified hdmi cable and I get audio and video dropouts fairly regularly and it's irritating as all hell. And it happens on all sources, even my directv box that isn't 4k anyway.

Any suggestions for warranty service (ie getting the outcome I desire)? Hopefully they have a repair center in Southern California somewhere, I don't even want to think about packing that thing up in a box and paying for shipping. Looks like the warranty is 3 years and the customer service center is in Buena Park, which is very close to me.
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Ugh, installed new certified cable - no improvement. Updated firmware, no improvement. Put receiver in mode 2 (actually, it was already there but I switched to mode 1 for a while to see if that was any better) no improvement. I also turned off that TV sense feature where it will match the resolution of the TV and limited it to 1080p, I still get dropouts.

TLDR- 25 foot certified hdmi cable and I get audio and video dropouts fairly regularly and it's irritating as all hell. And it happens on all sources, even my directv box that isn't 4k anyway.

Any suggestions for warranty service (ie getting the outcome I desire)? Hopefully they have a repair center in Southern California somewhere, I don't even want to think about packing that thing up in a box and paying for shipping. Looks like the warranty is 3 years and the customer service center is in Buena Park, which is very close to me.
Have you considered the possibility that the TV is the issue? Also have you tried moving your avr closer to the TV to see if the cable distance or how it's being routed is the issue(think interference bends etc)? One misbehaving HDMI device could also cause this sort of issue because of all the handshaking/copy protection stuff going on these days. Just trying to help you think of other things to troubleshoot. Your dealer is your best bet for help with your warranty. They may even just swap your unit out for a new one.

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That was what it was and it's now fixed. Thanks! You use the Sound settings in Mac OS too.
Great! Glad that worked out for you. Now I hope you get to where you want with the minidsp, lots of things to tinker with. My only advice is not to get too anal over every single little thing. Remember, EQ the most important and problematic region(s), that will get you to about 90% of your overall system's performance.

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Hello!

I am having trouble with the decoding. I have a PS4 and when I plug it in and select INFO on the remote it shows PCM instead of the expected DTS.

When testing with movies on my HTPC ATMOS movies will show as NEO:6 Cinema. DTS will show as DTS. DTS-HD will only show DTS.

I feel like I am doing something wrong. The old Onkyo would always display appropriately. Anyone point me to what I am missing?

While Atmos BD is playing, on the PS4 hit OPTIONS – Audio Settings - “bitstream”
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