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Yes I wanted to control individually just like my old Denon did. Guess I will have to get a minidsp and play with that.
Just as only the upper level Denon models (w/XT32) feature dual sub level/delay so to only the upper level Yamaha models have the same feature (ie. A2060/A3060). Although time consuming, prior to getting a MiniDSP, you could run YPAO three separate times, once with each sub in the setup (to set the level and delay of each), and then a 3rd time with both subs connected and each of their volume/gain levels backed off a couple of ticks.
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Just as only the upper level Denon models (w/XT32) feature dual sub level/delay so to only the upper level Yamaha models have the same feature (ie. A2060/A3060). Although time consuming, prior to getting a MiniDSP, you could run YPAO three separate times, once with each sub in the setup (to set the level and delay of each), and then a 3rd time with both subs connected and each of their volume/gain levels backed off a couple of ticks.
Nice trick from JD, also consider @RockNtroll to run single measurement only on your first 2 as its the 1st measurement the one that take care of levels and distances.
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Great! Glad that worked out for you. Now I hope you get to where you want with the minidsp, lots of things to tinker with. My only advice is not to get too anal over every single little thing. Remember, EQ the most important and problematic region(s), that will get you to about 90% of your overall system's performance.
Ben -- Fear not. I intend to EQ only my new subs and make adjustments only for those frequencies showing the most egregious spikes or nulls. I am perfectly content to continue using YPAO to EQ my non subwoofer speakers.

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Just as only the upper level Denon models (w/XT32) feature dual sub level/delay so to only the upper level Yamaha models have the same feature (ie. A2060/A3060). Although time consuming, prior to getting a MiniDSP, you could run YPAO three separate times, once with each sub in the setup (to set the level and delay of each), and then a 3rd time with both subs connected and each of their volume/gain levels backed off a couple of ticks.
@jdsmoothie --Thanks for the tip. I am supposed to get my two new subs within the next few days and I'll be sure to run YPAO on my setup as you recommend. I had not heard of that before. I will wait until I finish EQing with YPAO before fine tuning my new subs with REW and a UMIK-1. I am not going to take on the MiniDSP 2X4. I think I can do a good enough job of manually taming my room's curve anomalies with my 3060's builtin 4 band subwoofer EQ facility to satisfy my modest needs.

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Have you considered the possibility that the TV is the issue? Also have you tried moving your avr closer to the TV to see if the cable distance or how it's being routed is the issue(think interference bends etc)? One misbehaving HDMI device could also cause this sort of issue because of all the handshaking/copy protection stuff going on these days. Just trying to help you think of other things to troubleshoot. Your dealer is your best bet for help with your warranty. They may even just swap your unit out for a new one.

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Disconnect unit from power for various minutes and re-check,
Thanks but no go....this is what I'm seeing when I play Pandora. and the counter on the left reset to 0 about every ten seconds.....weird
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Thanks but no go....this is what I'm seeing when I play Pandora. and the counter on the left reset to 0 about every ten seconds.....weird
I seldom use Pandora any more, but never saw this. Are you starting Pandora from the Yamaha or from the smartphone app? Don't know why it would matter, but narrowing the options. I don't want to try to verify one when you are using the other.

Some years back, I had some issues with Pandora and reported to Yamaha. That problem was resolved shortly afterward. Members here may not use Pandora (I now use Spotify), but other users may be reporting any issue to Pandora or Yamaha.

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I seldom use Pandora any more, but never saw this. Are you starting Pandora from the Yamaha or from the smartphone app? Don't know why it would matter, but narrowing the options. I don't want to try to verify one when you are using the other.

Some years back, I had some issues with Pandora and reported to Yamaha. That problem was resolved shortly afterward. Members here may not use Pandora (I now use Spotify), but other users may be reporting any issue to Pandora or Yamaha.
Hey Richlife - I am starting from the remote on the 3060 (hitting the Net button)
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Hey Richlife - I am starting from the remote on the 3060 (hitting the Net button)
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Sorry, no help from me. Since I posted, I started up with the A3060 -- no issues. I few minutes back, I started up from the Yamaha app. Still on the first song, but more than 3 minutes in, no issues.

This is using the free Pandora app -- I dropped my paid account when I started using Spotify again. Spotify is twice the cost, but way more than twice the function and more than 10X the music selection at higher bit rate quality.
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I have a firmware update on my A2060 anyone know what's in the update?
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Sorry, no help from me. Since I posted, I started up with the A3060 -- no issues. I few minutes back, I started up from the Yamaha app. Still on the first song, but more than 3 minutes in, no issues.

This is using the free Pandora app -- I dropped my paid account when I started using Spotify again. Spotify is twice the cost, but way more than twice the function and more than 10X the music selection at higher bit rate quality.
Ok, appreciate you trying.....It's happening with all net music now, Server, Internet radio, Pandora...

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Is it for v1.27? That came out on March 27th. No problems here...

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I downloaded the update everything g seems ok....
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Ok, appreciate you trying.....It's happening with all net music now, Server, Internet radio, Pandora...
The good news is that general behavior pretty much rules out the Pandora app. Definitely time to contact either your dealer if it's new or Yamaha.

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The good news is that general behavior pretty much rules out the Pandora app. Definitely time to contact either your dealer if it's new or Yamaha.
Bought the receiver in December. I have a call into Yamaha, thanks.
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I haven't read all 142 pages of comments, so hopefully I'm not asking a question that's already been answered...

Since '08, I've had a 7.1 setup with an Onkyo, then a Yamaha, then a Pioneer receiver. I've never had good speakers, so I'm new when it comes to driving a good system. I've been researching for a while now and if I was buying gear today (not quite there yet) it would be the RX-A3060. I want 7.2.4 so with only 9 internal amps on the 3060, I'd need an external amp to make that a reality. My question is this: Assuming I go with the Klipsch RP system, (280F for LR, 450C for C, 250S for S and SB, CDT-5800-C II for elevation, and two SVS SB13-Ultras) is it smart to get a Monolith 7x200 and power the 7 speakers with that and the .4 speakers with the AVR? Or is the 7x200 complete overkill and the 3060 would drive the S, SB, and elev. speakers (4.0.4 of the 7.2.4) perfectly fine?
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I haven't read all 142 pages of comments, so hopefully I'm not asking a question that's already been answered...

Since '08, I've had a 7.1 setup with an Onkyo, then a Yamaha, then a Pioneer receiver. I've never had good speakers, so I'm new when it comes to driving a good system. I've been researching for a while now and if I was buying gear today (not quite there yet) it would be the RX-A3060. I want 7.2.4 so with only 9 internal amps on the 3060, I'd need an external amp to make that a reality. My question is this: Assuming I go with the Klipsch RP system, (280F for LR, 450C for C, 250S for S and SB, CDT-5800-C II for elevation, and two SVS SB13-Ultras) is it smart to get a Monolith 7x200 and power the 7 speakers with that and the .4 speakers with the AVR? Or is the 7x200 complete overkill and the 3060 would drive the S, SB, and elev. speakers (4.0.4 of the 7.2.4) perfectly fine?
Depending on the size of your room and the volume levels you prefer, most likely the latter .... in fact with those very sensitive speakers, all you really need to do is use an AudioSource Amp100VS (50W) on the Rear Presence speakers especially with all speakers crossed over to the twin SVS subs at nothing lower than 80Hz.

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I wanted to get some opinions on music surround modes in the 3060. Since I installed a pair of surrounds I have been experimenting with different modes. My question is, is there one that sounds as good as the old Dolby Pro-logic II music mode? In my opinion anyways, I can't seem to find one.
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I wanted to get some opinions on music surround modes in the 3060. Since I installed a pair of surrounds I have been experimenting with different modes. My question is, is there one that sounds as good as the old Dolby Pro-logic II music mode? In my opinion anyways, I can't seem to find one.
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As always, it depends on your ears (surroundings, room, age, all kinds of s---). I always found the Pro-logic II to be lacking. I believe the 3060 replacement (actually all models for some time now) is the Dolby Surround DSU. But most often, I prefer the Neural:X DSU. And at time the "many-user-preferred" Enhanced DSP.

If you have it or can get it and play it, try and SACD. It may change your perceptions of "surround"!
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As always, it depends on your ears (surroundings, room, age, all kinds of s---). I always found the Pro-logic II to be lacking. I believe the 3060 replacement (actually all models for some time now) is the Dolby Surround DSU. But most often, I prefer the Neural:X DSU. And at time the "many-user-preferred" Enhanced DSP.

If you have it or can get it and play it, try and SACD. It may change your perceptions of "surround"!
Thanks Rich - See, I never found Pro logic II music lacking at all. It was the most natural sounding music surround mode to me. Not too much processing, and the surround sound was just right, to me anyway. My problem with SACD is finding enough music that I actually want to buy in that format. I think I have one though (John Coltrane - A love Supreme) Although I'm not sure if it's stereo or multi channel, I'll have to check. I'll keep experimenting, and search the SACD list of music again.
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Depending on the size of your room and the volume levels you prefer, most likely the latter .... in fact with those very sensitive speakers, all you really need to do is use an AudioSource Amp100VS (50W) on the Rear Presence speakers especially with all speakers crossed over to the twin SVS subs at nothing lower than 80Hz.
This will go in my home theater which is 20'x12'x8'. Volume levels I'd guess would peak anywhere from 100-110db. But really, that's just me pulling a number out of my hat based on 5 minutes of googleing home theater sound levels.

I did a little more research based on what you said about speaker sensitivity. Thanks for bringing that up, I didn't realize I could get away with a $180 amp and be just fine. That will be a relief to the expense committee.
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This will go in my home theater which is 20'x12'x8'. Volume levels I'd guess would peak anywhere from 100-110db. But really, that's just me pulling a number out of my hat based on 5 minutes of googleing home theater sound levels.

I did a little more research based on what you said about speaker sensitivity. Thanks for bringing that up, I didn't realize I could get away with a $180 amp and be just fine. That will be a relief to the expense committee.
Indeed. Take the expense committee out to dinner on the savings.
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Indeed. Take the expense committee out to dinner on the savings.
Check Amazon on the price (not $180) and then call AudioSource and ask for that price. And be sure to say that you are using it for Atmos. (Edit: Please send me a beer with the additional savings.)

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Check Amazon on the price (not $180) and then call AudioSource and ask for that price. And be sure to say that you are using it for Atmos. (Edit: Please send me a beer with the additional savings.)
Hey I just saw your signature, "Yamaha RX-A3060: 7.2.4 or 7.2.2 + Zone2 (switchable)." This sounds awesome, how did you make it switchable?
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I wanted to get some opinions on music surround modes in the 3060. Since I installed a pair of surrounds I have been experimenting with different modes. My question is, is there one that sounds as good as the old Dolby Pro-logic II music mode? In my opinion anyways, I can't seem to find one.
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Having done some experimenting with the various music modes (though it's been awhile), I did like the jazz club mode best, the others just had too much reverb for my tastes. If you're sufficiently motivated, however, you can tweak all the parameters and customize one that can work ideally with your musical tastes.


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Hey I just saw your signature, "Yamaha RX-A3060: 7.2.4 or 7.2.2 + Zone2 (switchable)." This sounds awesome, how did you make it switchable?
See this post: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post47059849

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-- at this point I have not screwed up anything and had to Restore my config from Backup -- this setup has just worked
-- near the end, I talk about "walk" mode; not required. The browser/Setup can be accessed from my smartphone to make the change in Power Amp Assign there from anywhere in my house/lot

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Just as only the upper level Denon models (w/XT32) feature dual sub level/delay so to only the upper level Yamaha models have the same feature (ie. A2060/A3060). Although time consuming, prior to getting a MiniDSP, you could run YPAO three separate times, once with each sub in the setup (to set the level and delay of each), and then a 3rd time with both subs connected and each of their volume/gain levels backed off a couple of ticks.
I reported in the REW thread that you recommended running YPAO three times when configuring two subs, Once with each sub and a third time with both. A poster in the REW thread asked why do this because he thought YPAO would overwrite previous results. I couldn't answer the question. The REW poster suggested configuring the subs with REW and then running YPAO. Which way would work best?

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Thanks Rich - See, I never found Pro logic II music lacking at all. It was the most natural sounding music surround mode to me. Not too much processing, and the surround sound was just right, to me anyway. My problem with SACD is finding enough music that I actually want to buy in that format. I think I have one though (John Coltrane - A love Supreme) Although I'm not sure if it's stereo or multi channel, I'll have to check. I'll keep experimenting, and search the SACD list of music again.
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Yup -- It's all between the ears!

If you haven't looked yet, be sure to check eBay. Some SACDs are just unrealistically high-priced for me, but I found one of my favorites , Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" for $9. Opened my eyes/ears to SACD when I first go my OPPO.
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Yup -- It's all between the ears!
If you haven't looked yet, be sure to check eBay. Some SACDs are just unrealistically high-priced for me, but I found one of my favorites , Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" for $9. Opened my eyes/ears to SACD when I first go my OPPO.
Ha Ha! Between the ears.........Yes it is my friend, yes it is. I'm gonna put you down with a little Public Enemy or some Tribe Called Quest, LOL!

Seriously, I'm just glad I found some halfway decent surround speakers to fit into this very difficult music/home theater room.

I demoed some speakers with that Brothers in Arms CD. What a great piece of music, and eBay is a good idea, I'll give it a shot. Since I ripped pretty much everything I listen to onto my computer in WAV or flac I seldom use the Oppo for CD playback anymore, but a few nice SACDs will change that. Ok......back to Jimi and "All along the Watchtower" Sounds freakin amazing! I love this stuff!
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Yup -- It's all between the ears!

If you haven't looked yet, be sure to check eBay. Some SACDs are just unrealistically high-priced for me, but I found one of my favorites , Dire Straits "Brothers in Arms" for $9. Opened my eyes/ears to SACD when I first go my OPPO.
Dire Straits 'Brothers In Arms', Pink Floyd DSOTM and WYWH are a must listen. Eagles 'Hotel California' is good too...that might be DVD-A.
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