Originally Posted by TrendSetterX
While not low-end, mixing of components is a Jack-of-all-trades (master of nine) approach to solving a problem. If the problem is that you don’t have the room/money/wife/etc to have proper separate speakers, then def tech “solves” that by combining things. And while it solves the problem, it doesn’t necessary mean that it does it well. The Aventage line of Yamahas is going to assume you have separate components and is going to tune accordingly.
Originally Posted by ChromeJob
I agree with Bond. Rerun YPAO, and for gosh sakes hook up the sub(s) the proper way via LFE/RCA connection. Sounds like those DefTech speakers don't need audio running through the sub's passive connections (speaker wire, bandpass filter).
Aaaaaand ... while you're at it you might want to switch to the actual 1070, 2070, 3070 thread here
. Though differences between the x060 and x070 range might be minimal, configuration screens may've changed.
Originally Posted by bwillcox
Indeed, the subwoofer selection of the layout menu for the 2070 provides these three possible settings when using two subs:
Left & Right
Front & Back
Originally Posted by Bond 007
1085 will almost certainly sound the same as 2070.
To all of you contributing to my dilemma - I cannot thank you enough for your time, skills and opinions. A recap:
Wanted to upgrade from my RX-V1075, I loved it but needed hdcp2.2 and would have liked the extra 2sp. For those of you who don't know this Canadian market AVR - the RX-V10xx series is the previous version RX-A10xx model minus a few features. As such it sits heads and shoulders above the rest of the RX-V lineup. Bought RX-A2070, spend copious amounts of time with it but couldn't get it to sound decent. Bought demo RX-V1085 with high hopes, Yamaha did not disappoint - it sounded almost as good as my 1075 but required a few minor tweaks.
However having learned a few things in the process, I went back to the RX-A2070 and started tweaking everything and actually managed to get sound my wife and I were very content with.
Highs continued to be the largest problem, killing our ears during almost all scenes to the point where our head hurt at the end of a flick. and voices sounded flat. Had to reduce treble -3.5, increase dialog to +2.5 and increase center output by 2.5dB to start getting it better. This really helped tame the highs.
The 2070 YPAO also seemed more sensitive to bass frequencies than the 1075/1085 and it is here I found a workaround which involved my def-tech subs and some ingenuity. I found the older the model the less responsive YPAO was to sub frequencies so I would just tune YPAO then set the sub pot on the speaker with a test tone CD. As the models get newer they seem to include more of the sub in the YPAO which with the DefTechs seem to be a slight confusion. (Hence the improvement in subs when I connected LFE). For some reason, when I turned the pots on the speakers to 11 o-clock then ran YPAO and then turned the pots back up to 1 o-clock it really made huge improvements in leveling out the bass. Don't ask me why, but no matter how I connected the subs after this (direct to speaker outputs using internal crossover or LFE) I got very similar performance in the bottom end. Currently I am back to my original configuration of not using the LFE.
There still are differences, cannot say which sounds better. The 1075/1085 has far more SPL at any given point on the dial during normal scenes, rises immensely in SPL as the scene gets louder but then increase backs off during loud scenes. The 2070 seems to always be lower SPL for normal scenes, barely rises in SPL as the scenes get louder but punch a little harder in the loud scenes. (1075/1085 volume at -25, normal s. 70dB, medium s. 76dB, loud scene 78dB. 2070 volume at -22, normal s. 68dB, medium s. 71dB, loud scene 80dB). These characteristics were quite consistent always no matter what features I toggled or what speaker setup I performed. Seems for all it's super-high power, the 2070 always lacks in some way as compared to other models which may account for why people complain they are not rated truthfully. I would still rather take the sound of the RX-V to be honest, it remains slightly more pleasing to the both of us. However they are now set up so close that I will keep the 2070 after all and return the 1085 demo. I'll tell all you RX-A guys, the RX-V10xx serious is some serious contender and proves there is nothing wrong with a slightly older RX-A10xx.