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Hey Steve – have you done listening tests for movies between Marantz 7702 series vs. Denon 4200 / 6200 used as pre/pros with the same external amps? Just curious as to whether the HDAM circuitry improves movie performance as well. It seems as though a number of people use the Denons with external amps for at least the mains and might consider a step up to a dedicated pre/pro and amps if there is better performance to be had.

I haven’t been able to find much for blind testing of this type of setup or the similar Marantz 7010 vs. Denon 6200 scenarios.

@jdsmoothie; posts: Both (Marantz SR-7010 or Denon AVR-X6200W) will do an excellent job with movies, while the HDAM pre-amps in the SR7010 should provide a more detailed music listening experience.

What are your thoughts?
By the way. Since you are in MN, drag over your X4200 on Sunday (we will be in MPLS area) and lets listen to stereo preout and compare. You will hear a difference. PM or call me if you want to attend 612-308-7736. It will sink in once you experience for yourself.

Heck. Drag over your Ati 2000 and you can compare it to the ATI Signature series. We can plug and unplug a $3600 Furman and see if my customer wasted his $$'s (hint: he didn't).

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I'd love to attend. PM sent.


I think it would be fabulous to compare the pre-outs on my Denon 4200 vs. the dedicated pre/pro Marantz 7703 using my ATI 2005 amp or your friend's ATI Signature amp.


Hopefully some other local AVSers can stop by to hear comparisons between the various equipment. What a great opportunity!

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Just remember: if you happen to like Front Wides, the 7703 or any D+M 2016 product is not for you. Go with a 2015 model instead. A really stupid move on their part IMHO.

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So is the event in Minneapolis on Sat or Sun?

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So is the event in Minneapolis on Sat or Sun?
Because this is so last minute, getting all interested AVS members there was tough. So I pulled it in for TOMORROW 9/21/16. I started a new thread so that this doesn't get bogged down with the listening session details. I hope you can make it!

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FEDEX didn't arrive with the package until late so we had to postpone the event (another thread). Now it is going to be on Friday. Some cannot make it while other new people can.

I have the new AV7703 pictured below. Sorry about the logo over the box. I learned a lesson last year. I got in a pallet of 8802's and posted a picture of them showing product has finally shipped (there was a 2 month dock slowdown and I had a lot of people waiting). Anyways, some AVS member lifted that picture. They then put in on Craigslist claiming to have a pallet of inventory. Lesson learned.

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The 7703 is basically a 7702mkii with HEOS. There will always be running changes and tweaks. It might be to make it easier to manufacture, making it more robust (reliability) or improved sound quality tweaks. I don't know what was done.



I will be in Japan with the head guys at D&M next week at the factory. I've always wanted to visit and it finally worked with their schedule. I'll ask the 7703 engineers what running changes they performed. If they allow me to say what was done, I will report back.



The 7703 won't have what the 8802A has:

* Reference Grade (PM-11S3) Balanced Circuitry.

* Fully Discrete Current Feedback HDAM-SA2 Modules

* Jitter reduction circuitry for all Optical, Coaxial & HDMI inputs

* Low Noise Toroidal Power Transformer, derived from the PM-11S3

* New Audiophile Capacitors with twice the reserve as what was in the AV8801

* Three Piece Top Cover with Copper Plated Chassis (helps noise floor and reduces jitter).



To the ear, the 8802A beat out the 7702mkii. But we will be listening for differences and report accordingly.


Hi Steve,

The HDAM circuit topology is exactly the same on the 8802A and the 7702Mk II. The parts employed are different.
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The HDAM circuit topology is exactly the same on the 8802A and the 7702Mk II. The parts employed are different.
The layout is also different. Hence "HDAM-SA2" were used on the 8802A. Now.. How much of difference did that make to the ear?? I'm not sure. They do measure better. With any luck, I'll be spending some time with the engineers in Japan. On Wednesday, I am at the factory for my long awaited visit. I plan on taking copious notes and lots of pictures.
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Is there an actual thread for the new audyssey app with some additional thoughts and details?
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The layout is also different. Hence "HDAM-SA2" were used on the 8802A. Now.. How much of difference did that make to the ear?? I'm not sure. They do measure better. With any luck, I'll be spending some time with the engineers in Japan. On Wednesday, I am at the factory for my long awaited visit. I plan on taking copious notes and lots of pictures.


Yes, the layout is different, as are the power supplies, which may also matter.

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The layout is also different. Hence "HDAM-SA2" were used on the 8802A. Now.. How much of difference did that make to the ear?? I'm not sure. They do measure better. With any luck, I'll be spending some time with the engineers in Japan. On Wednesday, I am at the factory for my long awaited visit. I plan on taking copious notes and lots of pictures.
Umm! yeah they made a difference to the ear

Better question! Is the pizza and beer there yet

Have fun guys looking forward to your findings
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Umm! yeah they made a difference to the ear

Better question! Is the pizza and beer there yet

Have fun guys looking forward to your findings
Did you notice a difference to the ear ?
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Did you notice a difference to the ear ?
Yup! The whole of what Marantz did with the 8802 is quite commendable (as Steve noted above and Steve please refrain from telling me what they have planned for the 8803 or ?as I'm very happy now) It's an outstanding processor for 2/ch and multich
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Question on the HEOS in the 7703. Since the 7703 has 3 zones, I should be able to stream to all 3 zones at once, either different tracks, or the same to all 3 (i.e. party mode), correct? And I would have the ability to control volume independently for each zone, correct? And having external amps for zones 2 and 3, the 2 12V triggers can be configured to turn those on when I stream to those zones, right?

For additional zones, I can get HEOS 1, 3, 5 ,or 7 speakers, I get that, but those would work by themselves with just the HEOS app, right? So I guess the advantage of controlling them centrally via the HEOS in the 7703, is that I would have a "single pane" for controlling all my zones, right? Also, I currently have a couple of zones (pool, shop and garage) that have their own 2.1 sound systems. So for those, I could purchase HEOS Link units, which is basically what is built into the 7703 from what I understand. So will there be issues having multiple HEOS Links on the same network? i.e. which one is the "Master"?

So hypothetically speaking, I could have the following

7703 outputting to zones 1, 2 and 3
HEOS Link #1 outputting to zone 4
HEOS Link #2 outputting to zone 5
HEOS Link #3 outputting to zone 6
HEOS 7 outputting to zone 7

And pointing my HEOS app to the 7703, I can control them all, including "party mode" to all 7 zones?

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Question on the HEOS in the 7703. Since the 7703 has 3 zones, I should be able to stream to all 3 zones at once, either different tracks, or the same to all 3 (i.e. party mode), correct? And I would have the ability to control volume independently for each zone, correct? And having external amps for zones 2 and 3, the 2 12V triggers can be configured to turn those on when I stream to those zones, right?

For additional zones, I can get HEOS 1, 3, 5 ,or 7 speakers, I get that, but those would work by themselves with just the HEOS app, right? So I guess the advantage of controlling them centrally via the HEOS in the 7703, is that I would have a "single pane" for controlling all my zones, right? Also, I currently have a couple of zones (pool, shop and garage) that have their own 2.1 sound systems. So for those, I could purchase HEOS Link units, which is basically what is built into the 7703 from what I understand. So will there be issues having multiple HEOS Links on the same network? i.e. which one is the "Master"?

So hypothetically speaking, I could have the following

7703 outputting to zones 1, 2 and 3
HEOS Link #1 outputting to zone 4
HEOS Link #2 outputting to zone 5
HEOS Link #3 outputting to zone 6
HEOS 7 outputting to zone 7

And pointing my HEOS app to the 7703, I can control them all, including "party mode" to all 7 zones?
On the HEOS application, I noticed a slide switch for Z2 and Z3. Hence, you can control via the ap and the internal HOES engine allows you to control each zone independently. I am not sure about the 12 volt trigger being controlled.

You only need one master link (in the 7703). Each zone or HEOS box can listen to different things or the same by "pinching" the different zones together (or pullign them apart).

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Great news that zones 2 and 3 are "seen" by the HEOS engine!

But I still don't quite see how I can stream to an independent system in another part of the house without and additional HEOS Link to provide line level output to feed that system, especially if that system consists of nothing more than a pair of speakers wires to on older amp with no inputs other than a pair of RCA jacks.

On the other hand, I wonder if I can somehow stream to my other Network connected Denon receivers (6300, 3808CI, 1903)?
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Is there an actual thread for the new audyssey app with some additional thoughts and details?
Not at this point as there are no real details available at this time.
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Question on the HEOS in the 7703. Since the 7703 has 3 zones, I should be able to stream to all 3 zones at once, either different tracks, or the same to all 3 (i.e. party mode), correct? And I would have the ability to control volume independently for each zone, correct? And having external amps for zones 2 and 3, the 2 12V triggers can be configured to turn those on when I stream to those zones, right?

For additional zones, I can get HEOS 1, 3, 5 ,or 7 speakers, I get that, but those would work by themselves with just the HEOS app, right? So I guess the advantage of controlling them centrally via the HEOS in the 7703, is that I would have a "single pane" for controlling all my zones, right? Also, I currently have a couple of zones (pool, shop and garage) that have their own 2.1 sound systems. So for those, I could purchase HEOS Link units, which is basically what is built into the 7703 from what I understand. So will there be issues having multiple HEOS Links on the same network? i.e. which one is the "Master"?

So hypothetically speaking, I could have the following

7703 outputting to zones 1, 2 and 3
HEOS Link #1 outputting to zone 4
HEOS Link #2 outputting to zone 5
HEOS Link #3 outputting to zone 6
HEOS 7 outputting to zone 7

And pointing my HEOS app to the 7703, I can control them all, including "party mode" to all 7 zones?
You can actually download the HEOS app (either iOS or Android) and put it in Demo mode to see its current features. The app would see each HEOS speaker, AVR "H" model, AV7703, and Link as a separate source that you can select to stream to independently or group together for whole house audio.


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Great news that zones 2 and 3 are "seen" by the HEOS engine!

But I still don't quite see how I can stream to an independent system in another part of the house without and additional HEOS Link to provide line level output to feed that system, especially if that system consists of nothing more than a pair of speakers wires to on older amp with no inputs other than a pair of RCA jacks.

On the other hand, I wonder if I can somehow stream to my other Network connected Denon receivers (6300, 3808CI, 1903)?
Correct. Unless you are streaming to other HEOS speakers, you will need either a HEOS amp to power the speakers or a HEOS Link connected to the AVR that is powering the additional speakers.

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Hopefully the 7703 releases soon. I just put in an old Onkyo TX-SR875 until the 7703 comes and it sucked the life out of my music, lol.

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Hopefully the 7703 releases soon. I just put in an old Onkyo TX-SR875 until the 7703 comes and it sucked the life out of my music, lol.

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Not likely until mid-late October.
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Great news that zones 2 and 3 are "seen" by the HEOS engine!

But I still don't quite see how I can stream to an independent system in another part of the house without and additional HEOS Link to provide line level output to feed that system, especially if that system consists of nothing more than a pair of speakers wires to on older amp with no inputs other than a pair of RCA jacks.

On the other hand, I wonder if I can somehow stream to my other Network connected Denon receivers (6300, 3808CI, 1903)?
I think I know what you are now asking for. I thought you were looking to bolt on HEOS 7 (my favorite) in the garage and another in an office and another in ________________. In that case the HEOS engine now inside of the AV7703 is the "link" to the other devices HEOS devices. Those devices can be connected via an ethernet connection or a wireless connection. But if you have an existing stereo and you are trying to drive a pair of speakers with that is "dumb", you will need to add a link on that same zone. The HEOS Link can be on the same grouping. It has a digital in and analog out. I personally have never attached two Link's to the same zone but I don't see why it would care. BUT you bring up a good question. I'll ask.

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Not likely until mid-late October.
Ty, that sucks. Almost maybe worth just waiting for the 8803 at that point.
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Ty, that sucks. Almost maybe worth just waiting for the 8803 at that point.
The replacement for the 8802A isn't scheduled to be available until January, 2018: more than a year from now. I suspect it won't be called an 8803.

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The replacement for the 8802A isn't scheduled to be available until January, 2018: more than a year from now. I suspect it won't be called an 8803.
Oh, I thought it was going to be January 2017. Well, guess I'm sticking with the 7703 .
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Ty, that sucks. Almost maybe worth just waiting for the 8803 at that point.
D+M decided to push back the release of successor models to both of their flagship models (ie. X7200WA and AV8802A) to 2017 (most likely Dec 2017 and Jan 2018 respectively).
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D+M decided to push back the release of successor models to both of their flagship models (ie. X7200WA and AV8802A) to 2017 (most likely Dec 2017 and Jan 2018
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And as a flagship models I'm guessing these two models will get compatibility with the new Audyssey Smartphone app as well, right? If not, then they are not flagship models anymore and if they get to work with the Audyssey app that's mean there is no hardware restriction and any model from 2015 can get to work with the app anytime via firmware update. Of course, we all know that D+M won't do that....

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And as a flagship models I'm guessing these two models will get compatibility with the new Audyssey Smartphone app as well, right? If not, then they are not flagship models anymore and if they get to work with the Audyssey app that's mean there is no hardware restriction and any model from 2015 can get to work with the app anytime via firmware update. Of course, we all know that D+M won't do that....
I don't know that the decision is final, but AFAIK, only the 2016 and newer models will be able to use the new Audyssey phone app. The current flagship models are able to use the Audyssey Pro Kit.
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Hello,

Just getting into the separates game (and really liking it!). I have a 7200WA that I set to Pre-amplifier amp mode and am wondering if the sound (for movies) would be any different if I swapped it out for the Marantz Av7702MKii.

Does anyone have guidance on that?

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Hello,

Just getting into the separates game (and really liking it!). I have a 7200WA that I set to Pre-amplifier amp mode and am wondering if the sound (for movies) would be any different if I swapped it out for the Marantz Av7702MKii.

Does anyone have guidance on that?

Much appreciated.
I doubt you would hear any difference. The 7200WA already has a quality pre-amp section as long as you turn off the amps.

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I doubt you would hear any difference. The 7200WA already has a quality pre-amp section as long as you turn off the amps.
Thanks!

I thought the manual mentioned that selecting the preamplifier amp mode turned off the amp section, but I notice that the unit gets as warm as it did when I used it as an amplifier. Is there another setting that actually turns off the amps?
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