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Does the X4200 do multi room video? Really hard to pass up this deal.

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Yes, it has a Zone 2 HDMI monitor output just as with the newer X3300W.
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Dang, it's already OOS. Was looking to upgrade from my X4000.
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So seeing how the 1050 and 4200 is so close, what are the actual hardware differences, like the differences in HDMI 2.2 hook-ups, etc. I am leaning towards the Denon now.
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Out of stock where? It's still available on Amazon and Crutchfield.
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out of stock where? It's still available on amazon and crutchfield.

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The good thing about a new Denon is they sell their own extended warranty through their website that doesn't start until the first 3 years is up and they aren't too bad for the money.

Check your credit card policies. A lot of cards will give you an extra year of warranty for free.
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Check your credit card policies. A lot of cards will give you an extra year of warranty for free.
That's a good point. I forgot about that one.

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I need an AVR. This is tempting. I've been holding out hope for a price drop on the Yamaha 3040. 4K is not important to me, but neither are most surround formats to be honest. Initially, I'll only have left, right & center.
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I didn't know Denon offered an extended warranty beyond the 3 years, definitely a good deal and something I'll seriously consider if I go with the 4300H. I'm hoping they offer the 4300H at $799 at closeout also, a no brainer for me.
Yeah, I found it out from another poster on a different AV site and stickied it to my Google notes app. They sell them for some of their factory refurbished models as well that start after the first year is up.

That price match would really be a steal ! Lol. Sign me up as well.

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For the price difference and once you add in the refurbished model with an extended warranty and shipping the price difference is only around $100. Just a thought.

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For the price difference and once you add in the refurbished model with an extended warranty and shipping the price difference is only around $100. Just a thought.


Appreciate that, though I am not one for extended warranties and shipping is only $9. At $150 price difference + tax, I'd rather see if they get some more in.
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Yeah, I found it out from another poster on a different AV site and stickied it to my Google notes app. They sell them for some of their factory refurbished models as well that start after the first year is up.

That price match would really be a steal ! Lol. Sign me up as well.
Looking at past history on Amazon, the previous X4000 and X4100 models also closed out at ~$799 so it may be a safe bet. The 5200, which was replaced by the 6200, closed out around $1,300. The 6300H would be nice to rid the need of an additional external amp/receiver but the price difference is to great to justify, at least for my frugal nature.

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For the price difference and once you add in the refurbished model with an extended warranty and shipping the price difference is only around $100. Just a thought.
I agree and add to the fact your dealing with a third party for extended warranty, you never know the service you'll get. I tried refurbished and had intermittent video drop issues which I can only guess is the reason it was returned to begin with. They would never expend much effort trying to duplicate a problem like that when it's returned.
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Appreciate that, though I am not one for extended warranties and shipping is only $9. At $150 price difference + tax, I'd rather see if they get some more in.
No problem. Are you one for factory warranties because at $649 you're giving up 2 years of one?
Plus there's no tax and free shipping through Crutchfield and a 60 day no hassle return policy with free lifetime tech support. I recommend AC4less on a daily basis but I don't see the refurb benefit on this one but that's just me and I'm pretty frugal.

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The 4200 is a great price at $799 w/free shipping. Now for some that want to wait I am sure the 4300 will be $799 soon when the new Denon line comes out next year.
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No problem. Are you one for factory warranties because at $649 you're giving up 2 years of one?
Plus there's no tax and free shipping through Crutchfield and a 60 day no hassle return policy with free lifetime tech support. I recommend AC4less on a daily basis but I don't see the refurb benefit on this one but that's just me and I'm pretty frugal.

http://www.crutchfield.com/cart/default.aspx




All valid points, but it's $650 shipped and there's no tax. To me, it isn't worth $150 to get the two extra years, personally. If I really wanted to, I could get a 2nd year for $50 and still be up $100. The warranty is good at any Denon authorized repair center so I feel pretty comfortable about if I ever had to use it.
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Looking at past history on Amazon, the previous X4000 and X4100 models also closed out at ~$799 so it may be a safe bet. The 5200, which was replaced by the 6200, closed out around $1,300. The 6300H would be nice to rid the need of an additional external amp/receiver but the price difference is to great to justify, at least for my frugal nature.
I'm frugal as well and grew up in retail sales but I don't think it's a safe bet at all. Those models didn't have HEOS built in or the additional 2 amps so my money is on at least $100 higher closeout price but I always root for the consumer as I am one myself.😉 I'm looking at the X6300 because I keep my receivers forever but I'll have to wait awhile.



[quote/]I agree and add to the fact your dealing with a third party for extended warranty, you never know the service you'll get. I tried refurbished and had intermittent video drop issues which I can only guess is the reason it was returned to begin with. They would never expend much effort trying to duplicate a problem like that when it's returned.[/quote]

That's the risk with refurbished. A percentage of them couldn't have the initial issue reproduced so they do the checklist and send it on. Still a good value at certain price points and most will be trouble free but there are a small percentage that will need to be sent back for additional repair.

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All valid points, but it's $650 shipped and there's no tax.
I know that. That's why I said that it was around $150 difference. $799 - $650 = $149 apples to apples with 2 fewer years of warranty and no return policy. To me that's not worth the savings to get a brand new one. To you it obviously is but our math is the same.

[quote/]To me, it isn't worth $150 to get the two extra years, personally. If I really wanted to, I could get a 2nd year for $50 and still be up $100.[/quote]

And again in this scenario you're saving even less for less so I don't get that part being a plus . The real issue is it isn't worth it to you but to me that's jumping over dollars to save pennies . $-300 - $400 savings with a used receiver yes. $100 to $150 and 1 to 2 years less warranty not so much but I hope they restock quickly and you get the deal you're wanting and enjoy the receiver for many years to come.

[quote/]The warranty is good at any Denon authorized repair center so I feel pretty comfortable about if I ever had to use it.[/quote]

I'm very familiar with AC4less and their warranty terms. I've been recommending them in home theater and AV forums for a while now. My point wasn't about obtaining a warranty claim which is similar but the length of said warranty against the savings. It's obviously the best choice for you but I would still recommend the new one to others at that delta. No big deal. Good talking to you .

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I know that. That's why I said that it was around $150 difference. $799 - $650 = $149 apples to apples with 2 fewer years of warranty and no return policy. To me that's not worth the savings to get a brand new one. To you it obviously is but our math is the same.

[quote/]To me, it isn't worth $150 to get the two extra years, personally. If I really wanted to, I could get a 2nd year for $50 and still be up $100.
And again in this scenario you're saving even less for less so I don't get that part being a plus . The real issue is it isn't worth it to you but to me that's jumping over dollars to save pennies . $-300 - $400 savings with a used receiver yes. $100 to $150 and 1 to 2 years less warranty not so much but I hope they restock quickly and you get the deal you're wanting and enjoy the receiver for many years to come.

[quote/]The warranty is good at any Denon authorized repair center so I feel pretty comfortable about if I ever had to use it.[/quote]

I'm very familiar with AC4less and their warranty terms. I've been recommending them in home theater and AV forums for a while now. My point wasn't about obtaining a warranty claim which is similar but the length of said warranty against the savings. It's obviously the best choice for you but I would still recommend the new one to others at that delta. No big deal. Good talking to you .[/QUOTE]


I appreciate your viewpoints. I'll give it some thought. Thanks again.
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I appreciate your viewpoints. I'll give it some thought. Thanks again.
No problem. I used to do this for a living and I always prided myself on giving my customers good options but in the end it's the buyers decision and the one you make is always the right one for you so do what your gut tells you to. I just always link dollar and value but at times it's just the dollar so I get it. Good luck.

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One thing I may also do is give Abt a call. They still have it on their site and it's $799, free shipping, but tax. However, they are commissioned peeps there and so I've had good luck having them lower prices to be more competitive. Maybe I can get them around $750 out the door (effectively $699). Worth a call, I suppose.


P.S. My wife is gonna kill me since I just bought the X4000 last year, but now we are looking to get a 4K HDR TV, but what I didn't tell her is that I would need other things to get that to work properly (not to mention an XBOX S or HDR blu-ray player). HA!
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I've been eyeing stuff on AC4L for a while now, but in this scenario I also believe I would favor buying new. Assuming their website works like I would expect, Crutchfield appears to have at least 30 units available.
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One thing I may also do is give Abt a call. They still have it on their site and it's $799, free shipping, but tax. However, they are commissioned peeps there and so I've had good luck having them lower prices to be more competitive. Maybe I can get them around $750 out the door (effectively $699). Worth a call, I suppose.
Can't hurt but as a former commissioned sales rep there has to be a certain profit built in to negotiate from otherwise we just play the staring game😵. If they say no then at least you know how good the deal is. I'd still buy it new from Crutchfield at that price if Abt is the same. Better return policy and no tax.


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All she sees is more metal boxes coming into the house that does things she could care less about. I have 3 sisters.

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I've been eyeing stuff on AC4L for a while now, but in this scenario I also believe I would favor buying new. Assuming their website works like I would expect, Crutchfield appears to have at least 30 units available.
Yep. That's my take as well. I'm all about saving money too but I want the best bang for my buck as it were. At different times of the year AC4less has better value. At model year closeouts not so much but I get the "a buck is a buck" argument. I just don't think it's enough bucks.

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It never is and you're not alone my friend. If Crutchfield is offering that deal on a new one they have a 60 day return policy I believe for any reason. Not sure about the shipping charges though but you might look into that. Otherwise Amazon is the next best for returns just may not be for any reason. I've only returned wrong/ misrepresented or damaged merchandise to them.

The good thing about a new Denon is they sell their own extended warranty through their website that doesn't start until the first 3 years is up and they aren't too bad for the money. Here's the link.

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And the prices:

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1 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-12) $49.99
3 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-36) $129.99
2 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-24) $79.99
Yes - check your model for the appropriate Denon direct, extended warranty. In my case (older x5200) - I have nine months from the date my original equipment was bought to purchase a Denon's warranty.

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Yes - check your model for the appropriate Denon direct, extended warranty. In my case (older x5200) - I have nine months from rgw date my original equipment was bought to purchase a Denon's warranty.
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Getting a new receiver has been in the back of my mind. I'm planning a speaker upgrade from Polks to Ascends, which I know will be the most bang in terms of sound quality. I'm currently running the Polks in 5.1, but when I move to the Ascends I'm going 7.2.2. I'll also need the HDMI/HDCP upgrade as I'm currently running an Onkyo TX-NR609.

Is there really anything out there that can beat the x4200 at its current price of $799?

Even on A4L, I'm not seeing anything with a similar feature set under $900.
FWIW from my research there's a lot of Onkyo owners who have "upgraded" to Denon and don't care for Denon's sound. Not that they're not great amps but they say the Denon sounds muffled/muddy or something similar compared to Onkyo's sound.
I was seriously considering Denon but that was a deal breaker for me as I love how my NR3009 sounds. I've owned Sony, Yamaha, and Onkyo but I'm going Anthem for 7.2.4 Atmos

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FWIW from my research there's a lot of Onkyo owners who have "upgraded" to Denon and don't care for Denon's sound. Not that they're not great amps but they say the Denon sounds muffled/muddy or something similar compared to Onkyo's sound.
I was seriously considering Denon but that was a deal breaker for me as I love how my NR3009 sounds. I've owned Sony, Yamaha, and Onkyo but I'm going Anthem for 7.2.4 Atmos
Did you experience that firsthand? My father-in-law has a Denon + DefTech set up and I think it sounds fantastic. I do love the sound from my Onkyo though. I just really need the extra features.

I bit on the A4L deal and it should be here next week. I guess I can always throw it up for sale if it sounds funky to me.
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$149 was enough difference (vs new) for me to take the gamble on the refurb unit too. I ordered Tuesday, though, so I didn't take the last one!

It is scheduled to arrive Saturday. Hoping this ~gamble works out in the end. With the $150 saved I'll spend that much extra over budget on my sub
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If HEOS is not desired, but the ability to tweak the Audyssey curve is, you can step down to the new X3300W which uses the same version of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and also Sub EQ HT (dual sub level/delay).
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Do you know if the X3300W uses the same DAC as the X4200W? If not, do you know what DAC is in the X3300W? The adjustable Audyssey curves sound interesting, but not if you are compromising elsewhere on the X3300W and the feature probably isn't worth the premium if you were considering waiting for the X4300W.
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Do you know if the X3300W uses the same DAC as the X4200W? If not, do you know what DAC is in the X3300W? The adjustable Audyssey curves sound interesting, but not if you are compromising elsewhere on the X3300W and the feature probably isn't worth the premium if you were considering waiting for the X4300W.
No, rather the X3300W and lower models use a 24 bit DAC while the X4300H and higher models use a 32 bit DAC.
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