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Anything better than Denon x4200w at current price?

Getting a new receiver has been in the back of my mind. I'm planning a speaker upgrade from Polks to Ascends, which I know will be the most bang in terms of sound quality. I'm currently running the Polks in 5.1, but when I move to the Ascends I'm going 7.2.2. I'll also need the HDMI/HDCP upgrade as I'm currently running an Onkyo TX-NR609.

Is there really anything out there that can beat the x4200 at its current price of $799?

Even on A4L, I'm not seeing anything with a similar feature set under $900.
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Getting a new receiver has been in the back of my mind. I'm planning a speaker upgrade from Polks to Ascends, which I know will be the most bang in terms of sound quality. I'm currently running the Polks in 5.1, but when I move to the Ascends I'm going 7.2.2. I'll also need the HDMI/HDCP upgrade as I'm currently running an Onkyo TX-NR609.

Is there really anything out there that can beat the x4200 at its current price of $799?

Even on A4L, I'm not seeing anything with a similar feature set under $900.
That's a great price, I certainly cannot see anything near the price being as good or better. A4L was asking $950 but I guess they saw the price and dropped theirs to $640 - so quick it still shows as $950 til you click on it for details!

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That's a great price, I certainly cannot see anything near the price being as good or better. A4L was asking $950 but I guess they saw the price and dropped theirs to $640 - so quick it still shows as $950 til you click on it for details!
Ah, nice catch! That's even better.
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Getting a new receiver has been in the back of my mind. I'm planning a speaker upgrade from Polks to Ascends, which I know will be the most bang in terms of sound quality. I'm currently running the Polks in 5.1, but when I move to the Ascends I'm going 7.2.2. I'll also need the HDMI/HDCP upgrade as I'm currently running an Onkyo TX-NR609.

Is there really anything out there that can beat the x4200 at its current price of $799?

Even on A4L, I'm not seeing anything with a similar feature set under $900.
Our av hobby is ridiculous. It was just yesterday it seemed like that I shelled out nearly 2K for my x4100w


The only thing I would encourage you to consider is that I don't believe it has DTS:X? And I don't believe it can pass 4K like it says it can. Not hdmi 2.2 compliant? I'm already having to look at upgrading mine because of those two issues.


But if you don't really care about either of those things... it's an amazing receiver. My only complaint other than above is that it seems to run hot. But maybe that's normal. I just put a little audio equipment USB fan on top of it to be safe.
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Our av hobby is ridiculous. It was just yesterday it seemed like that I shelled out nearly 2K for my x4100w


The only thing I would encourage you to consider is that I don't believe it has DTS:X? And I don't believe it can pass 4K like it says it can. Not hdmi 2.2 compliant? I'm already having to look at upgrading mine because of those two issues.


But if you don't really care about either of those things... it's an amazing receiver. My only complaint other than above is that it seems to run hot. But maybe that's normal. I just put a little audio equipment USB fan on top of it to be safe.
The 4200 is fully HDCP 2.2 compliant and the DTS:X upgrade will be available free of charge (I think it may already be out.)

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I snagged one from A4L, $698.97 shipped with extended warranty. Thanks for the price catch, mdbrown.

I'll just have to save up a little longer for my speaker upgrade now
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I am tempted to pick up one of these for $639 from A4L.
If I don't care about atmos but want 4k, XT32, HDR, and 5.1 is there anything else I should consider under $1000? The anthem mrx-520 is another avr I have had my eye on but is over my budget.
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There is nothing in the price range that will beat that X4200.. Get them while you can..
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There is nothing in the price range that will beat that X4200.. Get them while you can..
I am going to try a manufacturer refurb from a4l for $639!
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Hopefully it works good. That would be a great price.

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Agreed. I paid $899 new some.time back at frys and worth every penny


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Isn't the 4200 a year older than the other Denons that end in 200? The 6200 and 3200 are a year newer and give you some other niceties, correct?


I might grab the 4200. I want Atmos and DTS:X. And I think that is what the 3200 and 6200 have that I want but the 4200 lacks. It has Atmos, correct but not DTS:X or the other way around?
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The 4200 is the same model year, 2015, as the 3200 and 6200. It has, or will have with firmware update, DTS:X
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I hadn't heard of the title site before this thread... I assume they are not factory authorized to sell all the gear they do, so you gamble with warranty, or have to go with their own extended warranty?
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A4L (Accessories4less) is a refurbished authorized dealer which for this unit you'll get a 1 year manufacturer warranty as opposed to three year if you bought new from an authorized dealer. I'm not a fan of third party extended warranties like they offer and would easily choose new for a $100 difference but to each his own.
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Man, the cost of $799 vs the $899 for the Yamaha RX-A1050 is making me life difficult right now
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Man, the cost of $799 vs the $899 for the Yamaha RX-A1050 is making me life difficult right now
It seems everyone is pleased with Audessy xt32 (Denon). I have had two Yamaha receivers in the past and have NO complaints about them (both still in use, actually. I decided to give Denon a try this time around.
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Agreed. I paid $899 new some.time back at frys and worth every penny


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Thanks for helping to reaffirm my decision.
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I am also looking at X4200W. The only difference between it and X4300H that I may possibly care about is that Auto Lip sync delay is increased from 200ms to 500ms adjustment. Is this really important though?

I have 5.1 speaker setup (L, R: Kef Q75 200w; C: Kef Q95 100W; SR, SL: Kef Q15 100W, Velodyne Sub) and do not intend to upgrade them. I am upgrading from Denon 3803.

It looks like I should be able to use my 3803 as an amp for surround (and possibly center) channels to extract more power from X4200W for L,R. Is this correct? Is it worth the hassle and additional power consumption? I am also not clear how volume control will work between the 2 receivers.

Also: are the any features where we already know X4200W is not future proof? IE will it work with 4K Blu-Rays?
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I am also looking at X4200W. The only difference between it and X4300H that I may possibly care about is that Auto Lip sync delay is increased from 200ms to 500ms adjustment. Is this really important though?
Nope.


[quote/]It looks like I should be able to use my 3803 as an amp for surround (and possibly center) channels to extract more power from X4200W for L,R. Is this correct? Is it worth the hassle and additional power consumption? I am also not clear how volume control will work between the 2 receivers.[/quote]

If it has multi channel analog inputs it should be able to( my 2805 has them.) I wouldn't mess with it unless you are using it to power your additional .2 Atmos speakers for a 5.2.4 Atmos setup and didn't want to buy a separate cheap 2 channel amp for the last 2 height channels but that's just me. The volume control would work through your main receiver using the multi channel analog inputs without any EQ from the 3803. You set the 3803's volume to 80% I believe and just run Audyssey on the X4200 normally.

[quote/]Also: are the any features where we already know X4200W is not future proof? IE will it work with 4K Blu-Rays?[/quote]

As future proof as an AV receiver can be today. HDMI 2.1 is a couple of years down the road but I wouldn't wait on it. The 2015 receivers are as up to date codec wise for 4K and HDR as you can get for the foreseeable future.

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Man, the cost of $799 vs the $899 for the Yamaha RX-A1050 is making me life difficult right now
With the Klipsch horned speakers I've heard some say that Yamaha's sound signature accentuates their brightness so maybe the new Denon at that $799 price might be better for you with a higher sensitivity horned speaker. I just stayed away from that recommend to you because of your recent issues you had with one but Denon makes a good receiver. I've had mine over 10 years now. Audyssey is kind of known to tame the treble.

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Getting a new receiver has been in the back of my mind. I'm planning a speaker upgrade from Polks to Ascends, which I know will be the most bang in terms of sound quality. I'm currently running the Polks in 5.1, but when I move to the Ascends I'm going 7.2.2. I'll also need the HDMI/HDCP upgrade as I'm currently running an Onkyo TX-NR609.

Is there really anything out there that can beat the x4200 at its current price of $799?

Even on A4L, I'm not seeing anything with a similar feature set under $900.

Depends on whether you want an all in one box solution (ie. X4300H - 9CH, able to expand to 11CH) or not as the X4200W (7CH, able to expand to 9CH) will require adding a 2CH external amp to expand from 7CH --> 9CH (ie. 7.2.2). Additionally, the newer X4300H will be able to use the new Audyssey phone app ($20, ETA later this year) which will allow creating custom Audyssey EQ curves. It also will feature a built-in HEOS module which when using the Denon HEOS phone/tablet app will allow streaming of about a dozen music streaming services to the AVR (currently replicated by using a Denon HEOS Link, MSRP $349) as well as streaming 2CH sources from the AVR to wireless/pwered HEOS speakers set up around the home. If HEOS is not desired, but the ability to tweak the Audyssey curve is, you can step down to the new X3300W which uses the same version of Audyssey MultEQ XT32 and also Sub EQ HT (dual sub level/delay). Otherwise, if neither of these features is desired, then yes, the current clearance price of the X4200W is hard to beat.

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With the Klipsch horned speakers I've heard some say that Yamaha's sound signature accentuates their brightness so maybe the new Denon at that $799 price might be better for you with a higher sensitivity horned speaker. I just stayed away from that recommend to you because of your recent issues you had with one but Denon makes a good receiver. I've had mine over 10 years now. Audyssey is kind of known to tame the treble.
I am _slowly_ getting past my aversion to the Denon brand. I suppose if I got one, and I had an issue, I would be much more on top of returning it. Assuming I notice the issue pretty quickly. Still the decision of what to get is not easy.
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I am _slowly_ getting past my aversion to the Denon brand. I suppose if I got one, and I had an issue, I would be much more on top of returning it. Assuming I notice the issue pretty quickly. Still the decision of what to get is not easy.
It never is and you're not alone my friend. If Crutchfield is offering that deal on a new one they have a 60 day return policy I believe for any reason. Not sure about the shipping charges though but you might look into that. Otherwise Amazon is the next best for returns just may not be for any reason. I've only returned wrong/ misrepresented or damaged merchandise to them.

The good thing about a new Denon is they sell their own extended warranty through their website that doesn't start until the first 3 years is up and they aren't too bad for the money. Here's the link.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/warranty

And the prices:

Warranty: *
1 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-12) $49.99
3 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-36) $129.99
2 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-24) $79.99
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You guys south of the border are so lucky... the x4200w just "dropped" to an ultra-low price of $1300 here in Canada
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You guys south of the border are so lucky... the x4200w just "dropped" to an ultra-low price of $1300 here in Canada
Lord, that's high but at least you're healthier than we are !
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The good thing about a new Denon is they sell their own extended warranty through their website that doesn't start until the first 3 years is up and they aren't too bad for the money. Here's the link.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/warranty

And the prices:

Warranty: *
1 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-12) $49.99
3 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-36) $129.99
2 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-24) $79.99
I didn't know Denon offered an extended warranty beyond the 3 years, definitely a good deal and something I'll seriously consider if I go with the 4300H. I'm hoping they offer the 4300H at $799 at closeout also, a no brainer for me.
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It never is and you're not alone my friend. If Crutchfield is offering that deal on a new one they have a 60 day return policy I believe for any reason. Not sure about the shipping charges though but you might look into that. Otherwise Amazon is the next best for returns just may not be for any reason. I've only returned wrong/ misrepresented or damaged merchandise to them.

The good thing about a new Denon is they sell their own extended warranty through their website that doesn't start until the first 3 years is up and they aren't too bad for the money. Here's the link.

https://usa.denon.com/us/product/warranty

And the prices:

Warranty: *
1 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-12) $49.99
3 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-36) $129.99
2 Year Extended Warranty (AVRX4200W-24) $79.99
Okay, I am going to ignore brand in my decision. You convinced me. I will roll the dice on whatever I decide.

So I guess it will be straight up 4200W vs 1050

I guess I should look into functional differences a little closer to make sure I am getting something with "everything" and "future proof" as much as it can be.
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I had intended to wait another year before upgrading my primary AV system to support ATMOS and DTS:X, but the deletion of Front Wide speakers from the comparable 2016|2017 AVR config offerings prompted me to buy the 4200 now. Room geometry does not allow me to install a Back Surround speaker pair, so I will be running a FrontWide7.2.2 | 5.2.4 speaker combination with a Front Height pair, and [at least initially] a Top Middle pair.


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Does the X4200 do multi room video? Really hard to pass up this deal.

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