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post #511 of 745 Old 04-20-2018, 06:48 AM
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Emotiva math has always escaped me. I'm hoping you misunderstood, Lonnie misunderstood, or both. Now they can expand to 32 channels like an Altitude32? If they so desire? C'mon now. Just get 7.1.4 w/Dirac working then go from there guys.
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To be honest. I would rather have a RMC-1 running 7.1.4 w/Dirac now vs waiting and waiting for the kitchen sink.
I don't believe the delay in the RMC-1 (at this point) is not due to waiting for "the kitchen sink", any planned upmixer or that the 7.1.4 isn't working. Emotiva is waiting on production chips to build the processors. They have working units but not enough chips to build the RMC-1 processor for the masses.

An Emotiva specific upmixer, Dirac or kitchen sink can come later through firmware or add-on modules. Remember that the XMC-1 was first released without Dirac but was added soon after with a firmware update.

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Will that apply retroactively
Only for new firmware upgrades to previous years' models.

BTW, the workaround is to decode legacy soundtracks in the player, so that they enter the pre-pro as PCM, allowing any upmixer to be applied.
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Only for new firmware upgrades to previous years' models.

BTW, the workaround is to decode legacy soundtracks in the player, so that they enter the pre-pro as PCM, allowing any upmixer to be applied.
I think what you just said is that when the Denon X8500 has a firmware update to add Auro 13.1, Dolby will require Denon to remove the cross-codec capability?

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I think what you just said is that when the Denon X8500 has a firmware update to add Auro 13.1, Dolby will require Denon to remove the cross-codec capability?
Rather than put words in my mouth about specific firmware upgrades to specific Denon models that I never said anything about, why not get confirmation from Denon themselves?

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^^^Sorry, no intent to put words in your mouth, just trying to understand the consequences of your statement.
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Only for new firmware upgrades to previous years' models.

BTW, the workaround is to decode legacy soundtracks in the player, so that they enter the pre-pro as PCM, allowing any upmixer to be applied.
Exactly why I’m either burning all my DVD and legacy BD content to NAS, or keeping my Oppo 103 around as a decoder to PCM before the restriction takes effect. I use DSU as my upmixer for the vast majority of my legacy multchannel content, but it’s still good to have options.

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I think the cross-codec ban might be for ATMOS content in case DTS opens Neural X to more than 11 channels. As mentioned for any of the non-object formats just sending PCM will get around it. I like to think they won't go backwards.
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Alexa or Google Assistant?

Does anybody think there is any chance that the RMC-1 would include Alexa integration? I know it probably sounds like it is beneath a high-end piece of equipment, but if they are including lossy streaming music, I don't see why they couldn't also include Alexa or Google Assistant. That, and the Marantz AV8805 works with Alexa. I wouldn't say these two pieces of equipment are that many worlds apart. It is nice to just say "Alexa, play Pandora in Living Room" with my Denon AVR-6400H and listen to music with full size speakers.

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Does anybody think there is any chance that the RMC-1 would include Alexa integration? I know it probably sounds like it is beneath a high-end piece of equipment, but if they are including lossy streaming music, I don't see why they couldn't also include Alexa or Google Assistant. That, and the Marantz AV8805 works with Alexa. I wouldn't say these two pieces of equipment are that many worlds apart. It is nice to just say "Alexa, play Pandora in Living Room" with my Denon AVR-6400H and listen to music with full size speakers.
I don't believe voice assistance is beneath many products, but I sure hope voice assistance is not included with the RMC-1! Any sort of licence for Alexa (Google home, Siri) would be a cost I won't want to pay for the feature to be included in my high end processor. There are easy work-arounds if you want to have Alexa "in your system". They may require one button push or a certain brand of remote, but it's an easy solution.

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I think the cross-codec ban might be for ATMOS content in case DTS opens Neural X to more than 11 channels. As mentioned for any of the non-object formats just sending PCM will get around it. I like to think they won't go backwards.
Appreciate this is an Emotiva thread, but sadly that workaround isn't available on all processors/AVR's. My Pioneeer LX89 for example doesn't upmix PCM to either of the variants - NeuralX or DSU. Just a passing comment, as I've seen this offered as a solution several times in the forum and just wanted to temper expectations. In other words - not all processors/AVR's are made equal
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Appreciate this is an Emotiva thread, but sadly that workaround isn't available on all processors/AVR's. My Pioneeer LX89 for example doesn't upmix PCM to either of the variants - NeuralX or DSU. Just a passing comment, as I've seen this offered as a solution several times in the forum and just wanted to temper expectations. In other words - not all processors/AVR's are made equal
That's a pretty strange limitation. I thought upmixers use a PCM signal for upmixing: PCM/DD/DTS > PCM > Upmixer

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That's a pretty strange limitation. I upmixers use a PCM signal for upmixing: PCM/DD/DTS > PCM > Upmixer
Strange or not it is a limitation. Pioneer also implemented the cross-codec ban long before Dolby brought it to the table. Users of the LX89 have never been able to upmix DTS to DSU, or DD/True HD to Neural:X.
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Just got an emotiva BasX A-300 to power my front towers,sounds really good but I can hear the amp running, is this normal? Never used an external amp before.
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Just got an emotiva BasX A-300 to power my front towers,sounds really good but I can hear the amp running, is this normal? Never used an external amp before.

The BasX series of amps have two small fans inside the chassis that kick on when the amp gets too hot. They shouldn't run while the amp is idle and they shouldn't be loud enough that you can hear them over whatever content you are playing. You might be able to hear them during moments of very low volume or silence in music/movies. The XPA series use larger chassis and these amps do not have fans in them to keep them cool.

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Come on Emotiva, you can do it! We need some news, throw us a bone Dan!
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The BasX series of amps have two small fans inside the chassis that kick on when the amp gets too hot. They shouldn't run while the amp is idle and they shouldn't be loud enough that you can hear them over whatever content you are playing. You might be able to hear them during moments of very low volume or silence in music/movies. The XPA series use larger chassis and these amps do not have fans in them to keep them cool.
I didn't know it had fans,that makes sense. Seems like they run most of the time ,but if the amp is idle for awhile it stops.Can't really here it unless the volume is very low like you said so it's not an issue. Very happy with the amp,sounds great! When I first hooked the amp up the fans were making some strange noises like a hissing noise which has gone away. Sounds more like my xbox or a little louder now. Thanks for the info!!
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I don't believe the delay in the RMC-1 (at this point) is not due to waiting for "the kitchen sink", any planned upmixer or that the 7.1.4 isn't working. Emotiva is waiting on production chips to build the processors. They have working units but not enough chips to build the RMC-1 processor for the masses.

An Emotiva specific upmixer, Dirac or kitchen sink can come later through firmware or add-on modules. Remember that the XMC-1 was first released without Dirac but was added soon after with a firmware update.
BTW, Revision 3.0.4 on my Lyngdorf MP-50 no longer allows cross upmixing between dts and Dolby. However, I can apply still apply Auromatic to either without switching decoding to the blu-ray player. So Emotiva should be able to implement the upmixer they had planned, if so desired.

@deewan what's the latest? Has ADI delivered the chips yet? When do you expect units to be available?
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I didn't know it had fans,that makes sense. Seems like they run most of the time ,but if the amp is idle for awhile it stops.Can't really here it unless the volume is very low like you said so it's not an issue. Very happy with the amp,sounds great! When I first hooked the amp up the fans were making some strange noises like a hissing noise which has gone away. Sounds more like my xbox or a little louder now. Thanks for the info!!
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I no andestand they rmc-1 have 13 chanels and 3 for sub.


the marantz av 8805 have 13 chanels and 2 for sub and price is less ,what the différence between rmc-1 and 8805.


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I no andestand they rmc-1 have 13 chanels and 3 for sub.


the marantz av 8805 have 13 chanels and 2 for sub and price is less ,what the différence between rmc-1 and 8805.
The biggest difference right now is that the Marantz AV8805 is available for purchase while the Emotiva RMC-1 is not, even though it was announced what feels like a decade ago at this point. But other than that, the biggest difference is that the AV8805 uses Audyssey (the latest version that can be tweaked quite a bit with an iOS / Android app) while the RMC-1 will be using Dirac. Quite a few people believe Dirac is better than Audyssey, so that's probably an advantage for the RMC-1. But realistically, until the RMC-1 actually ships and we get some feedback on how good it actually is, about all you can do is take a look at the feature sets and decide if there are announced RMC-1 features that you consider must haves that warrant waiting for the RMC-1. I had been seriously considering the RMC-1 when it was first announced, but decided I just couldn't wait any longer and purchased a Marantz AV8805 which I've been extremely happy with so far. The RMC-1 will have to be very special for me to consider switching.
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ÉMOTIVA suppose release RMC-1 in november but thank you GSR FOR INFORMATION ,when émotiva talk rmc-1 have 16 chanels I won buy this processor but now I know have just 13 chanels we have not intérest for me ,I have sr 8012 and I change the new receiver whit 16 chanels ,now I have 11 chanels but whit big différence you need 16 chanels I try 8805 is very good but whit 13 chanels is not very big différence whit my marantz sr8012.


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ÉMOTIVA suppose release RMC-1 in november but thank you GSR FOR INFORMATION ,when émotiva talk rmc-1 have 16 chanels I won buy this processor but now I know have just 13 chanels we have not intérest for me ,I have sr 8012 and I change the new receiver whit 16 chanels ,now I have 11 chanels but whit big différence you need 16 chanels I try 8805 is very good but whit 13 chanels is not very big différence whit my marantz sr8012.
The differences between the AV8805 and SR8012 involve a LOT more than just the number of supported channels....


Yes, I know that Emotiva has announced a November release date as mentioned a few posts up, but given all of their "announcements" for the RMC-1 release I'll remain in the skeptical camp until it actually ships.
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ÉMOTIVA suppose release RMC-1 in november but thank you GSR FOR INFORMATION ,when émotiva talk rmc-1 have 16 chanels I won buy this processor but now I know have just 13 chanels we have not intérest for me
The RMC-1 will support both 13.3 and 15.1. It will not be limited to 13 speaker channels like the Marantz.
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I really hope they can deliver on this b4 years end... sure would be a nice Christmas present to myself..
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Emotiva has been announcing the RMC-1 near CEDIA with shipping by year's end for two years. It will be interesting to see how long it actually takes to ship them in volume and release the first sets of firmware fixes to work out the bugs and manufacturing glitches. Maybe we'll get user feedback that this is a stable platform by CEDIA 2019.





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"All 16 channels are fully balanced in to out. That is, it contains 16 fully differential gain paths with balanced DAC's, volume controls, etc. etc. It's super sweet!!

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Watching this processor with a lot of interest. I have an integra 80.3 and I’ve had the bug to upgrade for a while. It’s between this and the 8805. I’ll see how the roll out goes before I make my final decision. Hoping emotiva knocks this out of the park.

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Surprised that no one has mentioned the RMC-1 product page that has been up since Friday. Link below.


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Surprised that no one has mentioned the RMC-1 product page that has been up since Friday. Link below.


https://emotiva.com/products/rmc-1


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I stopped going to their page lol


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Surprised that no one has mentioned the RMC-1 product page that has been up since Friday. Link below.


https://emotiva.com/products/rmc-1
At least initially it was hard to find. The info is more polished than what we've seen before but doesn't add much of anything we don't already know... just makes its impending release more likely . Still want to know more about Dolby's upcoming announcement and how that affects the RMC-1 as well as expansion modules, Auro-3D, etc.

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