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Ok I bought an Anthem AVM-60 it ROCKS!!

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I have direct confirmation from Yamaha over email, so please...stop repeating this, it's incorrect.

"I can confirm the YPAO 3D works with Dolby Atmos. YPAO 3D uses and redirects the metadata to height/overhead speakers

Cheers

Stéphane"


I don't know where you get your information from, but I got it directly from the source.

Every time YPAO 3D comes up, comeone on AVS (likely you) says "it doesn't work with Atmos even though angle measurements make no sense without Atmos and Yamaha designed it specifically for that purpose".

A little common sense, please. It's also written in that review I posted above. Guess which sources I would trust. Over the years, I've become very skeptical of accepting AVS advice without independent corroboration. Logically, speaker angle measurements have no purpose outside of Atmos / DTS:X. For channel-based audio, you don't have 3D positioning metadata to exploit in order to re-render the audio to actual speaker positions. Speaker distances are logical for channel-based audio, simple change the phase so wavefronts line up at the MLP.


Wow.


"I can confirm the YPAO 3D works with Dolby Atmos. YPAO 3D uses and redirects the metadata to height/overhead speakers

Cheers"

Do you understand what is being said here?

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Every time YPAO 3D comes up, comeone on AVS (likely you) says "it doesn't work with Atmos even though angle measurements make no sense without Atmos and Yamaha designed it specifically for that purpose".
It existed on Yamaha products before Atmos did. It was not designed for this purpose. Sorry bud.


Yes. Yes. It is quite obvious that you are not interested in what anybody else has to say about it. We got it. Ignorance is bliss. Enjoy!
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RLBURNSIDE is back? Seriously? De ja vu!

His recent posts are no diferent than the ones when the CX-5100 and AV7702mkII were released. 🙄😤
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The claim that YPAO 3D doesn't work with Atmos is false, doesn't matter how many times one repeats it. I'm done here.

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His recent posts are no diferent than the ones when the CX-5100 and AV7702mkII were released.
Remember the opening line from the movie Inception? "What is the most resilient parasite? A bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea! Resilient, highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it’s almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed, fully understood. That sticks, right in there somewhere."

Neither the theatrical version of Atmos nor the home version are based on egocentric (listener based) rendering. A Yamaha receiver or Trinnov processor can measure all the location data it wants, but there is no place for that data in the Atmo decoder/renderer. But if you truly believe that that is the only form of spatial rendering, then you will be convinced that Atmos is based on that type of rendering. And once that belief has taken hold of the brain, it's almost impossible to eradicate, even in the face of other types of spatial rendering (like the kind Atmos uses).

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Looks like there will have to be another year of speculating as our Yamaha rep indicated the CX-A5100 is going to continue thru to 2018 which is likely why it's the only 2015 model receiving the Dolby Vision/HLG/Deezer/TIDAL firmware update.
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Looks like there will have to be another year of speculating as our Yamaha rep indicated the CX-A5100 is going to continue thru to 2018 which is likely why it's the only 2015 model receiving the Dolby Vision/HLG/Deezer/TIDAL firmware update.

Yea for my 5100! Gets to keep "top of the line" one more year, and hopefully, some significant software upgrades!
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Remember the opening line from the movie Inception? "What is the most resilient parasite? A bacteria? A virus? An intestinal worm? An idea! Resilient, highly contagious. Once an idea has taken hold of the brain it’s almost impossible to eradicate. An idea that is fully formed, fully understood. That sticks, right in there somewhere."

Neither the theatrical version of Atmos nor the home version are based on egocentric (listener based) rendering. A Yamaha receiver or Trinnov processor can measure all the location data it wants, but there is no place for that data in the Atmo decoder/renderer. But if you truly believe that that is the only form of spatial rendering, then you will be convinced that Atmos is based on that type of rendering. And once that belief has taken hold of the brain, it's almost impossible to eradicate, even in the face of other types of spatial rendering (like the kind Atmos uses).

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Looks like there will have to be another year of speculating as our Yamaha rep indicated the CX-A5100 is going to continue thru to 2018 which is likely why it's the only 2015 model receiving the Dolby Vision/HLG/Deezer/TIDAL firmware update.
Yup.

Who'd have thought? Thanks anyway.
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Looks like there will have to be another year of speculating as our Yamaha rep indicated the CX-A5100 is going to continue thru to 2018 which is likely why it's the only 2015 model receiving the Dolby Vision/HLG/Deezer/TIDAL firmware update.
Looks like Yamaha has just saved me some money this year. I still have the urge to pick up a RX-A3070 to replace my 3050 in my Den so I can support DV to my Sony TV, though.

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As one of the first people on here to take possession of their CX-A5100, Yamaha has earned me as a repeat customer. 3 years of major updates? That seems unheard of these days. All that for a unit with top specs, priced closer to the mid-range of their competitors. Even buying today, this thing is still a great deal.

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4. USB-B input, to gain ability to use as a USB DAC
5. Enthusiast grade phono stage

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I think the A5000 is quite awesome. And I have no plans on replacing it any time soon. How can I? I paid $650 shipped for it! Quite the bargain IMO.

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Looks like there will have to be another year of speculating as our Yamaha rep indicated the CX-A5100 is going to continue thru to 2018 which is likely why it's the only 2015 model receiving the Dolby Vision/HLG/Deezer/TIDAL firmware update.
Well the Marantz 8803-4 will be the pre-pro to beat when it's released in January 2018. I was hoping Yamaha would beat them to the punch this fall.
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I think the A5000 is quite awesome. And I have no plans on replacing it any time soon. How can I? I paid $650 shipped for it! Quite the bargain IMO.
I had a 5000 and loved it (gave it to my son) but I did upgrade to the 5100 when it came out. I wanted some of the new features (DSD streaming and Atmos support to name a couple).
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Well the Marantz 8803-4 will be the pre-pro to beat when it's released in January 2018. I was hoping Yamaha would beat them to the punch this fall.
Well, Yamaha has always seemed a bit more conservative about releasing new technology early than D&M has. This is one of the things I prefer about Yamaha. I can wait...

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Well that''s disappointing for me. Guess I'll be using my RX-Z11 another year.

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Yamaha is likely delaying release to incorporate the new HDMI 2.1 chip next year which allows for 8k video pass through and eARC.
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Yamaha is likely delaying release to incorporate the new HDMI 2.1 chip next year which allows for 8k video pass through and eARC.
I hope that's correct. There is nothing right now that needs a upgrade(especially if they add DV to the 5100).

The only thing that needs improving is YPAO. Maybe better bass management.
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I hope that's correct. There is nothing right now that needs a upgrade(especially if they add DV to the 5100).

The only thing that needs improving is YPAO. Maybe better bass management.
If (when) it comes to fruition .. the Yamaha pre/pro should be the first to get it.
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If (when) it comes to fruition .. the Yamaha pre/pro should be the first to get it.
I still haven't seen anything included in the HDMI 2.1 spec that looks like a "must have" for me. Not really interested in 8k video and really not looking forward to replacing cables & devices to support it!

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If they drop the price on the 5100 I may take the plunge and not hold out for the 5200 however. Just sayin.

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Hmmmm, might have to look at that 5100 now then...

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I'm thinking about selling mine. I just don't get much out of Atmos due to the stuff I actually listen to and watch, and I haven't had the time or inclination to get the subs set up as good as or better than they were with my old Anthem AVR after running ARC. Setting up multisubs is so tedious, and ARC does a pretty great job with very minimal prep (that I have already done and saved anyway). So it probably makes sense to just go back to the Anthem.

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I'm thinking about selling mine. I just don't get much out of Atmos due to the stuff I actually listen to and watch, and I haven't had the time or inclination to get the subs set up as good as or better than they were with my old Anthem AVR after running ARC. Setting up multisubs is so tedious, and ARC does a pretty great job with very minimal prep (that I have already done and saved anyway). So it probably makes sense to just go back to the Anthem.
Soo.... basically, you're selling off the sweet sweet Yamaha cuz you're just lazy?

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This thread sure dropped like a hot potato after the news that the 5100 would likely be around another year. Anybody hear anything new or conflicting information?

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This thread sure dropped like a hot potato after the news that the 5100 would likely be around another year. Anybody hear anything new or conflicting information?
No because news for Yamaha products doesn't work like that.

It will be at least one more year before you hear news about the successor to the 5100.

Soo... sorry. There won't be anything official to talk about for some time.

But that shouldn't stop you from speculating about it!
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No because news for Yamaha products doesn't work like that.

It will be at least one more year before you hear news about the successor to the 5100.

Soo... sorry. There won't be anything official to talk about for some time.

But that shouldn't stop you from speculating about it!
Just hoping there's a chance the rep that said there will be no replacement for the 5100 until next year might possible have incorrect information.

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I think it will be to Yamaha's and their fans' advantage to see what Marantz offers this year then develop something compelling. A 11.2 channel CX-A5200 just wouldn't cut it.
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My PS2 would like a word with you. It still sees plenty of use, and having no connection for it whatsoever would make me rage. I'm already unhappy enough about the lack of S-Video since pre-PS2 consoles are much sharper looking on S-Video than composite.

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4k120 would be nice. Some of us like the soap opera effect, but thus far no TV has the bandwidth or processing power for it and even if it did, the current HDMI spec can't handle it. I'd still rather ditch HDMI completely and just go DisplayPort. It should be easy enough to get HDMI 2.1's feature set into DP 1.5, and DisplayPort has had at least 8k30 for a while now. HDMI's only real advantage over DisplayPort is that it handles long runs far better. DP over >3m (~10ft) isn't guaranteed without active repeating.

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A 11.2 channel CX-A5200 just wouldn't cut it.
Sure it would.

Gosh! Slumming it with this... paltry 7.1.4 audio.
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