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I'm using a YPAO configuration. I manually overrode speaker size from large to small and crossovers from 80 to 120. Some questions.

1. I have four in-ceiling Atmos speakers. Instructions say to use the 4-point mic stand for that. Is this true even if I'm using a regular tripod? I just left mic on tripod for all measurements.

2. While I have two rows of five seats each, 95% of the time it's just wife & I. Is it better to do MLP only, or do multiple seats? Wife won't care if her seat next to MLP is optimized.

3. YPAO correctly shows rear Atmos on ceiling but front Atmos incorrectly on front wall. Does this matter? All the heights YPAO measures as 0.

4. I've read to put both subs on a Y cable, even with separate jacks as 5200 has so it doesn't try to set up separately. But, YPAO seems to recognize separate sub jacks as a mono setup.

4. I've attached the EQ results. Am I supposed to now manually adjust EQ to try and flatten out curves? I don't know much about this. Thanks.
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Is this comparable to the Pioneer Lx704
Or should I leave well enough alone?
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Is this comparable to the Pioneer Lx704
Or should I leave well enough alone?
The CX-A5200 is a Pre-Pro, not a receiver like the Pioneer LX704. So no built in amps. Maybe you were planning on using outboard amps anyway? I'd go with Yamaha over Pioneer any day of the week.
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Is this comparable to the Pioneer Lx704
Or should I leave well enough alone?
The CX-A5200 is a Pre-Pro, not a receiver like the Pioneer LX704. So no built in amps. Maybe you were planning on using outboard amps anyway? I'd go with Yamaha over Pioneer any day of the week.
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Check out the big river on these again for anybody who's on the fence.

I got in on the last set of cheaper fish that the big river had, but I thought I'd take a peak anyway. But seriously, May 14th ETA? I disagree, this is an essential item!

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Anyone install the latest firmware on this and see any differences?
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Anyone install the latest firmware on this and see any differences?
I installed the latest firmware on my 3 2018 models, 2080, 3080, & 5200 and haven't noticed any difference. I probably don't use the updated/new features, though.

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Hi All ...

Long time CX-A5000 owner here connected to my Parasound A52 via unbalanced connections. And 2125 for rear center. Def Tech 7002 and CLR 2500 for fronts and infinity entra rears and entrants rear center. Looking to possibly upgrade to the 5200. At first I thought it would be a nice upgrade with a better ESS Dax which it seems to have and a better toroidal transformer which is significant But I read somewhere that the new DAC implements older op amps and makes the sound possibly worse than older models and that even tho I am using unbalanced connections supposedly there is a flaw in the XLR SN ratio ? Will that affect the unbalanced ? I am slightly concerned. My 5000 has awesome sound and just wanted to go to a better upgrade. I have heard every model was an upgrade sound wise Until this newest one went backwards ? Anyone have any real world listening between the old 5000 and this model to see if indeed the sound quality has suffered? It’s the weirdest thing I have read. Thanks for any input ... I love Yamaha sound quality. And have never had any issue with their stuff over 20 years. And have pretty good hearing in 2 channel and multi channel Thanks for any insight !!

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Long time CX-A5000 owner here connected to my Parasound A52 via unbalanced connections. And 2125 for rear center. Def Tech 7002 and CLR 2500 for fronts and infinity entra rears and entrants rear center. Looking to possibly upgrade to the 5200. At first I thought it would be a nice upgrade with a better ESS Dax which it seems to have and a better toroidal transformer which is significant But I read somewhere that the new DAC implements older op amps and makes the sound possibly worse than older models and that even tho I am using unbalanced connections supposedly there is a flaw in the XLR SN ratio ? Will that affect the unbalanced ? I am slightly concerned. My 5000 has awesome sound and just wanted to go to a better upgrade. I have heard every model was an upgrade sound wise Until this newest one went backwards ? Anyone have any real world listening between the old 5000 and this model to see if indeed the sound quality has suffered? It’s the weirdest thing I have read. Thanks for any input ... I love Yamaha sound quality. And have never had any issue with their stuff over 20 years. And have pretty good hearing in 2 channel and multi channel Thanks for any insight !!

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Well, I'm a firm believer that hearing is quite subjective and we don't all hear and interpret (in the brain) things the same. But I can say that in my main AV system I had a A5000, upgraded to a A5100, and am currently running with a A5200 and they have all sounded awesome to me. I have used XLR connections with all three and have never had any SN ratio issues with any of them...even with my ear right next to the speakers.

Prior to switching to the A5000 about 7 years ago, I was using a RX-Z11 in my system as a preamp only with the same Outlaw Audio amps that I'm using today. I recall that the upgrade to the A5000 from the Z11 was amazing. Not only did I prefer the overall sound, but I always had a slight background noise from my speakers with the Z11 that was totally gone when I switched to the 5000 and the XLR connections. I have always attributed the elimination of that noise to the fact that I switch from from RCA to XLR connections.

The net is that I've been very happy with all three of the Yamaha AVPs that I've had in my system and I'd not go back to using unbalanced RCA cables.

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Long time CX-A5000 owner here connected to my Parasound A52 via unbalanced connections. And 2125 for rear center. Def Tech 7002 and CLR 2500 for fronts and infinity entra rears and entrants rear center. Looking to possibly upgrade to the 5200. At first I thought it would be a nice upgrade with a better ESS Dax which it seems to have and a better toroidal transformer which is significant But I read somewhere that the new DAC implements older op amps and makes the sound possibly worse than older models and that even tho I am using unbalanced connections supposedly there is a flaw in the XLR SN ratio ? Will that affect the unbalanced ? I am slightly concerned. My 5000 has awesome sound and just wanted to go to a better upgrade. I have heard every model was an upgrade sound wise Until this newest one went backwards ? Anyone have any real world listening between the old 5000 and this model to see if indeed the sound quality has suffered? It’s the weirdest thing I have read. Thanks for any input ... I love Yamaha sound quality. And have never had any issue with their stuff over 20 years. And have pretty good hearing in 2 channel and multi channel Thanks for any insight !!

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That came up in Audioholics.com's stringent testing of the CX-A5200. I believe the discovery was only on the main L&R channels. I certainly can't hear anything negative running all 11 channels from the 5200's balanced outputs. By the way, the owner of Audioholics is currently using the Yamaha CX and MX combo in his personal main home theater.

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That came up in Audioholics.com's stringent testing of the CX-A5200. I believe the discovery was only on the main L&R channels. I certainly can't hear anything negative running all 11 channels from the 5200's balanced outputs. By the way, the owner of Audioholics is currently using the Yamaha CX and MX combo in his personal main home theater.
Indeed, based on my experience, I assumed that there may have been something wrong with their test when I read it. I've never had any noise from any of my channels once I switched to balanced XLR connections with all three of the CX-A5x00 prepros that I've been using starting back in 2013 when I first got the 5000.

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Thanks guys. I assume their is something weird with one of their test equipment maybe at Audioholics ? but I do respect Gene and his staff and they do go thru a very complete set of stringent tests and have been doing this for some time. He also mentions that even though the 5200 has a upgraded ESS DAC and better Toroidal he says the ADC chip is middling and that if you are running analog stuff with the DSP you will get downgraded sampling in the sound. FWIW when I run my Technics TT and phono pre and run my Oppo 205 analog XLR I always mostly use DSP 2 channel sound fields and love the sound On my 5000. So assuming Yamaha has not changed the ADC it doesn’t sound downgraded to me. I mean I listen in pure direct as well but usually feel the DSP adds something nice while still maintaining musicality. Yamaha is the only one who can do this correctly after listening to other Brands none of them could ever make any DSP sound as great as the Yammies do. Imo. Just some more thoughts...
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Remember - there's tests that can measure things... and much of what is measured is not audible.
However, certain people... being people, will like to fixate on those things.
It's a great performing, great sounding processor.
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I took advantage of that recent price drop....

Waiting on delivery next week (May 6th). And I agree with previous posters, it should be an essential item!


I have been running XLR to each of my speakers/amps. Hope there is a significant upgrade there as well instead of running unbalanced everywhere previously.
My theater has been without a receiver/processor for 2 years.... that is FAR TOO LONG!
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I've had the system for several months and just gave up and lived with it. Now that I rearranged my two subs, it got me back at it. I'll try YPAO all over again from scratch.

As far as the reverse polarity, my speakers are two-way and every time I run YPAO, it chooses a different speaker as having reverse-polarity. If that isn't a YPAO issue, what else could it be? YPAO was also measuring a couple of speakers, which are about 12 ft away, as 80 ft. YAPO finally got one close to 12 ft and the other 18 ft.

I do use a rubber foot mounted tripod on carpet over concrete or from the riser, carpet over OSB. Might sit it on headrest next time. So do I go with the YPAO distances or the tape measure? I'm confused on this point. I understand we're talking time delay, which is not actual distance--but it sort of is.

I have 5+5 seats, but mostly just wife & I. Do you recommend multi-position or just MLP. I've been doing just MLP (my wife couldn't care less). Thanks.

I have 3 way speakers from a studio monitor company. I actually opened up the speakers and compared their wiring as I was getting similar results as you. Sometimes showing one reverse polarity and sometimes the other.

After looking at their internal wiring, and doing a lot of research online about 2/3 way speakers. I found the following:

-2/3 way speakers sometime reverse the polarity of one or two of the drivers to create helpful interactions.
-My two identical 3-way speakers were wired differently internally (manufacturing defect)...... I chose to correct them to the way that made the most sense. The mid speaker being reverse, tweeter and sub being normal.

This instantly fixed the YPAO reading being wrong and varying every time i ran it.

I have also gotten speakers that are simple 15 inch woofers and a compression driver wired completely backwards. The assembly team must've taken lunch break making those....


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In regards to your other questions:

Go with the YPAO distance measurements, it knows better than you do. (as others have said it is adjusting for time, and can be accounting for external amp delay/differences)

If one of your speakers is at 80ft, you have a signal path issue to that speaker. Are you using an old AVR as an amp that has an old calibration set in it? Or it has that reverse polarity issue...
A difference of 12ft to 18ft is normal.


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Ah I see that a new YPAO mic fixed it. Interesting. I'd still check the speakers for polarity issues with a 9-volt battery to each speaker individually.

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Ah I see that a new YPAO mic fixed it. Interesting. I'd still check the speakers for polarity issues with a 9-volt battery to each speaker individually.
Yes, the new mic fixed it. As far as reverse polarity, from what I gather on the Traid owners thread, Triad deliberately reverses polarity on some speakers. Given no apparent problem, don't think I want to remove from the wall/ceiling and disassemble 11 speakers to hook the battery up. I see there is an Android app, Polarity Checker, that does this. Seems to have its own complications. Thanks for the input.

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Well AVS peeps.! I ordered a brand new Yammie from the River company for a great price and got 6 mo 0 percent Looking forward to lmy newest Yammie as I have been buying them for over 20 years. This is gonna be the best one yet and imo a very nice upgrade to the 5000 and will work nicely with my new 4K OLED (shopping for that one on the Labor Day sales to replace my aging panny Plasma). I figure it’s about time to do some nice upgrades. ! Thanks guys for your input on this one. I think I am going to really enjoy the Atmos capability. Going to remove my rear center. And go with two rear heights. Since this new one doesn’t do a single rear center. ! My front wall is there but is a pain to do front heights. So I will try the rear heights first. I am only planning on using Ypao for distance which it does perfectly and crossovers. I think it sounds best on Through. And I manually set my levels. Looking forward to the better soundingvDACs and better transformer. Amongst other nice upgrades. Can’t wait !! Will post and let you guys know once I get everything re done. Probably in a few weeks or a little longer. because I gotta pick out the TV as well. This is what we AVS peeps do when we are stuck at home and thankfully in my case working from home and have time to set all this stuff up and enjoy. 😉

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WOW ! Just happened to take a looksie. Thankfully it hasn’t even shipped yet and I canceled my order to get an even better freaking amazing price on the 5200 from the river company ! Have to wait one extra day but it’s worth it!! In spades !! Jump on this if anyone hasn’t bought one yet !!! Great deal! ✅ re ordered and way happy right now 🙂


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Hey,

Iam getting the Yamaha CX-A5200 soon but not sure if the Surround AI is worth it when watching Dolby Atmos / DTS:X content ?
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Everything I have read says the Surround AI adds nice stuff to the movie soundtracks It’s subtle but noticeably an improvement FWIW. That includes reading this thread and reviews 🙂. I will let you know when I get mine hooked up.
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Iam getting the Yamaha CX-A5200 soon but not sure if the Surround AI is worth it when watching Dolby Atmos / DTS:X content ?
Worth it..
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I currently have a Mcintosh MC8207 paired with a cheaper Yamaha TSR-7810 receiver as a pre/pro. I posted a while back about the MC8207 only having XLR inputs so I ended up buying monoprice's RCA to XLR cable to connect the receiver pre outs to the amp.

I am currently on a major budget constraint but wouldn't want to miss out on this deal. I would love to hear your thoughts on if it is really worth it to upgrade to a pre/pro over a receiver. I do about 60/40 music and movies.

On the plus side I could really use my TSR receiver in my bedroom setup (recently acquired 4 x CM5 S2 and a CMC 2 S2 )
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CX-A5200 output to RX-A3040

Can I use the CX-A5200 as the pre-amp for some surround channels with my RX-A3040 as the amplifier? (I am currently outputting my L, C, & R channels to a Parasound Halo A31).

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Can I use the CX-A5200 as the pre-amp for some surround channels with my RX-A3040 as the amplifier? (I am currently outputting my L, C, & R channels to a Parasound Halo A31).

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Yes, go from the RCA pre-outs on the 5200 to the multi-channel rca inputs on the 3040.
On the 3040 reset all the settings to default, do not use room correction or anything. (enable the channels you are going to use, set them to full range speakers)
Set the input to the multichannel source on the 3040. Use the pure-direct mode.
Set the 3040 to power on, on trigger in, using a trigger out from the 5200.

Then run YPAO on the 5200 to adjust for delays/distances on all the speaker channels as their may be a processing delay through the 3040.

Thats what I would do if you absolutely want to use it for amps.
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The CX-A5200 is a Pre-Pro, not a receiver like the Pioneer LX704. So no built in amps. Maybe you were planning on using outboard amps anyway? I'd go with Yamaha over Pioneer any day of the week.
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Yes, go from the RCA pre-outs on the 5200 to the multi-channel rca inputs on the 3040.
On the 3040 reset all the settings to default, do not use room correction or anything. (enable the channels you are going to use, set them to full range speakers)
Set the input to the multichannel source on the 3040. Use the pure-direct mode.
Set the 3040 to power on, on trigger in, using a trigger out from the 5200.

Then run YPAO on the 5200 to adjust for delays/distances on all the speaker channels as their may be a processing delay through the 3040.

Thats what I would do if you absolutely want to use it for amps.
That's good news. If I use good quality cables, will there be any decrease in volume or sound quality?

Eventually, I will probably buy an amplifier for the surround channels, but first I want to buy the 5200 and four ceiling height speakers for Atmos.

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That's good news. If I use good quality cables, will there be any decrease in volume or sound quality?

Eventually, I will probably buy an amplifier for the surround channels, but first I want to buy the 5200 and four ceiling height speakers for Atmos.
Running YPAO at the end will fix any volume issues.
Their may be a slight quality decrease. I am unsure of the processing the receiver may do or not do to the multi-channel inputs. Hopefully in pure-direct mode it doesn't do much.
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