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Emotiva vs Marantz vs Integra and room correction software

Since we've started the home theater build, I need to consider a replacement for my Emotiva UMC1.

I just got an email from Emotiva offering me the XMC-1 for $1499 which is a great deal. But......

I really like the feature set on the Marantz 8802A. It has the ability to decode for a 4 ceiling speaker Atmos setup, is Auro 3-D upgradable, has Audyssey XT32 platinum level room correction software, and it just works. It doesn't have any of the annoying quirks that Emotiva is known for - no pops or funny noises. More importantly it is 11.2 channel capable, which means I should be able to run it 7.2.4.

The Emotiva XMC-1 also has a great feature set. However it is NOT Atmos capable yet. Emotiva claims that feature set will be released in 1st quarter 2017, but they have a history of not meeting their targets.

The most desirable feature of the Emotiva is Dirac Full. This is very advanced room correction software, and it is arguably superior to Audyssey XT32. Over at avsforum, only one person who went from XT32 to Dirac, has gone back to the XT32, and it was because they did not perceive the value.

The biggest shortcoming of the Emotiva unit is it is "only" 7.2 channel capable. That means that if I want Atmos, I will have to use the rear 2 channels as 2 overhead channels. So I lose the rears and I don't even get the full 4 overheads.

My theater is going to have at a minimum, 3 front speakers, 2 side speakers, 2 rears, 4 ceiling, and 3 subwoofers (2 at the front and 1 in back). So at a minimum I need a 7.2.4 system (the two front subs could e run from a Y-splitter since they will be equidistant to main listening position).

I'm really thinking about the Marantz right now unless they're releasing a new model in the next few months.

I also really want the Dirac room correction software. I found a way but it will be expensive. I will need two Minidsp DDRC-88A units (each has 8 in/8 out). Those are $1100 each so the costs go up astronomically.

And then there is the Integra, but I have yet to read anything positive about AccuEQ.

Ah well, 1st world problems right?
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The Emotiva doesn't meet your basic channel requirements, so it seems like that's out. You might want to check out the new Marantz 7703, its getting the new Audyssey app that lets you adjust the target curve. Its not the "flagship," but that might be a nice feature to have. Its why I chose a Denon 6300 over a flagship 7200.
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Why not the Denon versions of the Marantz receivers.

Alternatively, I'm not sure if they are available in the US but the Arcam receivers have DIRAC Live available?
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The Emotiva doesn't meet your basic channel requirements, so it seems like that's out. You might want to check out the new Marantz 7703, its getting the new Audyssey app that lets you adjust the target curve. Its not the "flagship," but that might be a nice feature to have. Its why I chose a Denon 6300 over a flagship 7200.
Yes the Marantz 7703 is VERY interesting. I'm not sure what the benefits would be to move up to the 8802A (maybe better DAC's?). It looks like a significant step up from teh 7702, with its ability to drive 4 instead of only 2 atmos overhead speakers.

For the difference in price I could get the minidisp unit.

Does Denon make a pre/pro? All I see are receivers. I already have amplification.
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Why not the Denon versions of the Marantz receivers.

Alternatively, I'm not sure if they are available in the US but the Arcam receivers have DIRAC Live available?
I'd really rather have a pre/pro since I already have amplification.
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Yes the Marantz 7703 is VERY interesting. I'm not sure what the benefits would be to move up to the 8802A (maybe better DAC's?). It looks like a significant step up from teh 7702, with its ability to drive 4 instead of only 2 atmos overhead speakers.

For the difference in price I could get the minidisp unit.

Does Denon make a pre/pro? All I see are receivers. I already have amplification.
I am not aware of any current Denon pre-pros; I think Marantz now exclusively makes the pre-pros for the D&M Holdings group. From what I understand, the Denon 6300 shares most of the electronics with the 7703 and the Denon 7200 shares most of the electronics with the 8802A, with some exceptions like the Marantz HDAM Module. The biggest difference is the receivers have amps but no XLR outs. I have external power as well, but I am a sucker for free amps and don't really need XLR outs. IMO it is nice to have back-up power. But I was really tempted to go 7703 this time around.
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What about the Arcam receivers? They use Dirac now. I just picked up the 550 and am pretty pleased so far


Edit: never mind. Just saw the pre-pro preference

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the new Audyssey app will not be available for SR7010?
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the new Audyssey app will not be available for SR7010?
If that's the 2015 model, then nope.
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... 7702, with its ability to drive 4 instead of only 2 atmos overhead speakers.
7702 does 7.x.4 or 9.x.2

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Since we've started the home theater build, I need to consider a replacement for my Emotiva UMC1.

I just got an email from Emotiva offering me the XMC-1 for $1499 which is a great deal. But......

I really like the feature set on the Marantz 8802A. It has the ability to decode for a 4 ceiling speaker Atmos setup, is Auro 3-D upgradable, has Audyssey XT32 platinum level room correction software, and it just works. It doesn't have any of the annoying quirks that Emotiva is known for - no pops or funny noises. More importantly it is 11.2 channel capable, which means I should be able to run it 7.2.4.

The Emotiva XMC-1 also has a great feature set. However it is NOT Atmos capable yet. Emotiva claims that feature set will be released in 1st quarter 2017, but they have a history of not meeting their targets.

The most desirable feature of the Emotiva is Dirac Full. This is very advanced room correction software, and it is arguably superior to Audyssey XT32. Over at avsforum, only one person who went from XT32 to Dirac, has gone back to the XT32, and it was because they did not perceive the value.

The biggest shortcoming of the Emotiva unit is it is "only" 7.2 channel capable. That means that if I want Atmos, I will have to use the rear 2 channels as 2 overhead channels. So I lose the rears and I don't even get the full 4 overheads.

My theater is going to have at a minimum, 3 front speakers, 2 side speakers, 2 rears, 4 ceiling, and 3 subwoofers (2 at the front and 1 in back). So at a minimum I need a 7.2.4 system (the two front subs could e run from a Y-splitter since they will be equidistant to main listening position).

I'm really thinking about the Marantz right now unless they're releasing a new model in the next few months.

I also really want the Dirac room correction software. I found a way but it will be expensive. I will need two Minidsp DDRC-88A units (each has 8 in/8 out). Those are $1100 each so the costs go up astronomically.

And then there is the Integra, but I have yet to read anything positive about AccuEQ.

Ah well, 1st world problems right?
I'm in a similar boat. I received the same email. I'm debating on getting the Emotiva XMC-1($1499 + $500 (atmos/dtsx update)) or the Marantz 7702 Mkii($1199). I currently have a UMC-200 and like it allow, but I want to go the for the atmos/dtsx route as well. I have no idea what the differences of Dirac Live vs. Audyssey MultEQ XT32 (PRO). Which is better? Which one gives options that the other doesn't. It would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison to try to determine which one to get.
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I'm in a similar boat. I received the same email. I'm debating on getting the Emotiva XMC-1($1499 + $500 (atmos/dtsx update)) or the Marantz 7702 Mkii($1199). I currently have a UMC-200 and like it allow, but I want to go the for the atmos/dtsx route as well. I have no idea what the differences of Dirac Live vs. Audyssey MultEQ XT32 (PRO). Which is better? Which one gives options that the other doesn't. It would be nice to see a side-by-side comparison to try to determine which one to get.
Don't forget - the XMC-1 can not support the 4 overhead atmos speakers. It has 7.2 channels out.

The Marantz 7703 OTOH, has 11.2 out, which means it supports the full 4 channels of atmos over head.

So if you have the Emotiva, there is literally no way to drive the 4 over head speakers. You have to use one of your other surround channels for the atmos and then it won't be 4 channel atmos.
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I've had AVR's with Audyssey XT and XT32, and they did a good job of correction. I now use a miniDSP-DDRC88A, DIRAC Live processing. From my perspective, in my room, there is no comparison in between it and Audyssey...DIRAC wins hands down.
The 88A allows you to save 4 different correction curves and choose between them on the fly, I don't know if the current XT pro or Platinum allow this kind of function.
I'd probably go with one of the Marantz Pre/Pro's and give Audyssey a try, if it doesn't suit you then try DIRAC...

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If it were me, I'd get the 7702mk2 now and give HDR/Atmos/dts:x another year or two before getting a flagship. Make sure it supports things like the native dynamic metadata for HDR thats being considered for hdmi 2.1.

Plus I'm betting with pioneer adopting Dirac, the market will be a bit more competitive then. And while you wait you still get MOST of the functionality.

I've been contemplating swapping my x6300h for one, but it wouldn't really be cost effective for me since I'm already using 9ch of amps, so no matter what more expensive. But for you it seems perfect to me. Plus you get Audessy DSX
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Don't forget - the XMC-1 can not support the 4 overhead atmos speakers. It has 7.2 channels out.

The Marantz 7703 OTOH, has 11.2 out, which means it supports the full 4 channels of atmos over head.

So if you have the Emotiva, there is literally no way to drive the 4 over head speakers. You have to use one of your other surround channels for the atmos and then it won't be 4 channel atmos.
The emotiva atmos/dtsx upgrade that is due in the spring will support 7.2.4(I only have room for 5.1.4 anyway). As far as HDR goes, it is a concern to me, but not a deal breaker as I probably won't be replacing my benq ht1075 until I can get a native 4k projector (with HDR) in the $2500-$3000 price range. I'm sure it will be at least 3-5 years before that happens, if not longer.

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I've had AVR's with Audyssey XT and XT32, and they did a good job of correction. I now use a miniDSP-DDRC88A, DIRAC Live processing. From my perspective, in my room, there is no comparison in between it and Audyssey...DIRAC wins hands down.
The 88A allows you to save 4 different correction curves and choose between them on the fly, I don't know if the current XT pro or Platinum allow this kind of function.
I'd probably go with one of the Marantz Pre/Pro's and give Audyssey a try, if it doesn't suit you then try DIRAC...
In fact the new version of Audyssey on the 7703 allows you to set a target curve for the room correction. That kind of sounds like what the Dirac does. I do know that most people prefer Dirac over Audyssey in a direct comparison, but with the ability to set a target curve that may level the playing field.

The minidsp is a fantastic solution but to implement a full 7.2.4 solution requires two of the units since each minidsp only has 8 in 8 out.
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The emotiva atmos/dtsx upgrade that is due in the spring will support 7.2.4(I only have room for 5.1.4 anyway). As far as HDR goes, it is a concern to me, but not a deal breaker as I probably won't be replacing my benq ht1075 until I can get a native 4k projector (with HDR) in the $2500-$3000 price range. I'm sure it will be at least 3-5 years before that happens, if not longer.

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Actually Emotiva can never fully support 7.2.4 because it doesn't have enough outputs to truly run all the channels. That's my point. You are limited to the 7 channels and 2 sub channels out for a total of 9. 7.2.4 requires 13 channels total so with the Emotiva you're 4 channels short.

Here's a photo of the back of the Emotiva. Show me where there's 13 channels out because I only see 9 total.

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Actually Emotiva can never fully support 7.2.4 because it doesn't have enough outputs to truly run all the channels. That's my point. You are limited to the 7 channels and 2 sub channels out for a total of 9. 7.2.4 requires 13 channels total so with the Emotiva you're 4 channels short.

Here's a photo of the back of the Emotiva. Show me where there's 13 channels out because I only see 9 total.

This is from their website:
http://emotiva.com/xmc-1-enhancements

XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 2: Dolby Atmos and DTS-X
Replacement processor/decoder board adds support for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X

Adds support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.2.4) and DTS-x
Repurposes Mix Outputs and Zone 2 Analog Outputs (Zone 2 will be available via digital outputs)
Available as an option on the XMC-1 Gen3 - which will be available early 2017 (XMC-1 Gen3 will be $2,499 without Atmos & DTS-X and $2,999 WITH Atmos & DTS-X)
Available as an upgrade to any XMC-1 without Atmos & DTS-X (for $499)
Does NOT require HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2
Available Q1 - 2017

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This is from their website:
http://emotiva.com/xmc-1-enhancements

XMC-1 Technology Enhancement 2: Dolby Atmos and DTS-X
Replacement processor/decoder board adds support for Dolby Atmos and DTS-X

Adds support for Dolby Atmos (up to 7.2.4) and DTS-x
Repurposes Mix Outputs and Zone 2 Analog Outputs (Zone 2 will be available via digital outputs)
Available as an option on the XMC-1 Gen3 - which will be available early 2017 (XMC-1 Gen3 will be $2,499 without Atmos & DTS-X and $2,999 WITH Atmos & DTS-X)
Available as an upgrade to any XMC-1 without Atmos & DTS-X (for $499)
Does NOT require HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2
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So there are two Zone 2 channels. You're still short 2 more channels to make the 7.2.4. As described, you only have 7.2.2 since there are only two zone 2 channels. What am I missing? Not trying to give you a hard time. I'm just confused.
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In fact the new version of Audyssey on the 7703 allows you to set a target curve for the room correction. That kind of sounds like what the Dirac does. I do know that most people prefer Dirac over Audyssey in a direct comparison, but with the ability to set a target curve that may level the playing field.

The minidsp is a fantastic solution but to implement a full 7.2.4 solution requires two of the units since each minidsp only has 8 in 8 out.
It's good to know that Audyssey now allows a user set target curve, the versions I had did not allow this.
The miniDSP unit will allow you to save 4 different curves that you can switch on the fly. I currently have 3 setup, 1 for 2 channel music, 1 for movies and 1 for 5.1 music...to me this is not a minor feature.
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So there are two Zone 2 channels. You're still short 2 more channels to make the 7.2.4. As described, you only have 7.2.2 since there are only two zone 2 channels. What am I missing? Not trying to give you a hard time. I'm just confused.
The 4 extra channels come from 2 zone outs and 2 mix outs. The zone 2 will be available thru digital, you will not have mix outs though after this upgrade.
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The 4 extra channels come from 2 zone outs and 2 mix outs. The zone 2 will be available thru digital, you will not have mix outs though after this upgrade.
I got that. I see the 2 zone outs. But where are the 2 mix outs? I see a pair of Rec out. I don't see anything labelled "mix out". What am I missing?

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I got that. I see the 2 zone outs. But where are the 2 mix outs? I see a pair of Rec out. I don't see anything labelled "mix out". What am I missing?

The z1 analog outs are the down mix outs for the main zone.
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I got that. I see the 2 zone outs. But where are the 2 mix outs? I see a pair of Rec out. I don't see anything labelled "mix out". What am I missing?

I count 12 ch of output, but 2 are subwoofer. Only thing I can think of is they are actually replacing both the in and out of the record channel with outputs since there is a new board. Perhaps the labels will just be wrong?
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I wanted resurrect this conversation because I'm still in search of a new PrePro. I wonder what CES is going to bring....hopefully we hear dolby vision from these companies....

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