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Another thing to consider is support for the product you are purchasing, especially based on your geographic location. For example I am going through hell at the moment trying to get a warranty repair done in Canada by a third party. Since some manufacturer's do not have a head office in Canada they sub contract their warranty repairs to third party electronic shops. Some of these shops might be qualified to fix a 40 year old tube amp but a brand new high end 2016 model is a completely different story. How they have been "qualified" to perform warranty repairs is beyond me. My receiver has been sitting at a shop for about 24 days now, "waiting for parts". If I lived in the U.S. this would not be happening. Something to consider in my opinion.
It actually happens all the time in the USA, especially when using a smaller repair shop that is backed up for weeks with many other repairs or waiting for parts from the mfr. However, in the USA, you can ship Denon and Marantz products purchased in the USA to the "factory repair center" (United Radio, Syracuse, NY) for a repair turn around time that generally only lasts a few days. One member from California shipped his Marantz AVR there on a Monday which takes a week to cross the country via UPS Ground and another week to come back. He got his repaired AVR back the following Friday.
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11.2 Receiver

I've been looking at purchasing a 11.2 receiver, and I see Denon offers a nice X6300H at a decent price range. What advantages do other 11.2 receivers on the market offer besides price increase.
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I've been looking at purchasing a 11.2 receiver, and I see Denon offers a nice X6300H at a decent price range. What advantages do other 11.2 receivers on the market offer besides price increase.
Different features ... different EQ program (not necessarily better): Onkyo RZ3100 (AccuEQ) and Pioneer SC-LX901 (MCACC Pro).
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The Denon 6300h's Video Scaler has a bug that keeps it from working correctly at 4K. It adds undefeatable edge enhancement and bob de-interlaces 1080i sources.

I would very much like @imagic to look into this as it effects both the 2016 Denon and Marantz units and nobody at Denon support seems to care.
Do you know if this bug is fixed?
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Should I get a/v receiver if I only use headphone (Sennheiser rs 185)? Is it waste of money if I have no plan to setup speakers? Currently I'm considering Onkyo TX-NR545 (mainly because of 6 hdmi ports that support 4k 4:4:[email protected])
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One thing I'd like to see is whether the HDMI/HDCP is upgradeable (on HDMI-switching devices) without requiring buying a new Receiver. It's been almost 4 years since HDCP 2.2 was released, and I expect that for purchases in 2017, it is likely that the spec will be updated again during the lifetime of the device.
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Oh, one other thing - how much heat the device puts out. When I bought my Pioneer in 2009, I didn't realize how much heat it would put out and I had placed my Blu-ray player on top of it, and in less than a day or 2, the BR player had stopped working and was throwing errors which were a result of being overheated from the Receiver. Fortunately I was able to swap the BR player at Costco back then.
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Should I get a/v receiver if I only use headphone (Sennheiser rs 185)? Is it waste of money if I have no plan to setup speakers? Currently I'm considering Onkyo TX-NR545 (mainly because of 6 hdmi ports that support 4k 4:4:[email protected])
I think I would do a hdmi switch personally.
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It's kind of hard to tell here, but are there any $900 - $1000 2016 AVRs that do true dual HDMI output instead of Zone 2 / force you to 2.0 audio in main zone if you're using 2nd HDMI output to a TV?
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About power: most power is absorbed in generating low frequencies. If your 5 channels are getting 20 clean watts each, with a powered sub to accompany them, that will suffice for most rooms. Higher power simply allows you to get to your volume with less distortion. By all means purchase as much power as you can afford.... but if that limits you to $500 for your receiver, your experience will still generally be delightful.

About network capability: it can also allow you to control your gear in various ways. Newest of course being voice control - which I thought was silly, until I started doing it. It's awesome.
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A lot of great info here, thank you imagic.

My question is, are AVR manufacturers still putting their AM/FM presets in channel "banks"?

I have a circa 2000's Yamaha AVR that has five banks of 8 channels each, for a total of 40 channel presets. When you get done scanning the 8 channels in one bank you have to switch to the second one and then the third one, etc., its a PITA. Why can't they just put the 40 channels in a 1 to 40 channel range (or give us a 1 to 99 channel preset range) and call it done? That way you can scan/surf channels 1 to whatever without having to switch banks. It would also be nice to be able to go to/type in the channel directly, or better yet, give us the option to type in the frequency, 95.5.

What are the newer models doing noawdadays with their AM/FM tuners? Are they still adding HD radio tuners as well?

Yes I still listen to local radio stations.

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The Denon 6300h's Video Scaler has a bug that keeps it from working correctly at 4K. It adds undefeatable edge enhancement and bob de-interlaces 1080i sources.

I would very much like @imagic to look into this as it effects both the 2016 Denon and Marantz units and nobody at Denon support seems to care.
Does anyone know if this issue has been resolved? @jdsmoothie
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Does anyone know if this issue has been resolved? @jdsmoothie


Hasn't been.
Denon's own people said just keep 1080p sources at 1080p till further notice.

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Does anyone know if this issue has been resolved? @jdsmoothie


Hasn't been.
Denon's own people said just keep 1080p sources at 1080p till further notice.
Same issues with 4300?
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Same issues with 4300?
Good Lord, I hope not! I just went through returning an X4200 for a 4300 hoping it would end all my (current) woes.
That's the last thing I need trying to integrate the 4300 into a current Oppo 203/LGB6 (4k/HDR/DV) setup...sigh...

Funnily enough, it's actually good to hear that Denon said "till further notice" when speaking of this issue.
Hopefully they will live up to their past quality standards and deliver a fix...

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This is a great all-around thread on the newer AVRs, and I've been looking at it as perhaps a newer AVR is in the cards. I do have one "2-ZONE" question for the experts lol...

- Some AVRs offer more than one HDMI output. With two HDMI outputs, you can feed a projector for nighttime viewing and a flat-panel TV in the same room for daytime viewing. Alternatively, you can send the second HDMI output to a TV in another room, though this will probably require a fiber-optic or coax HDMI cable for such a long run.

OK, I see more and more AVRs with 2-HDMI outputs. I have a 65" in the Family Room and a 40" in the kitchen. Currently I have cobbled up a HDMI-Powered splitter taking signal from my DirecTV receiver, with HDMI #1 OUT to the Kitchen TV, and HDMI #2 OUT feeds into the AVR-HDMI-IN #1 . Sounds confusing but it works... I can put DirecTV programs on in either the kitchen or family room (or both) with a beautiful picture (I used very heavy HDMI wire) and of course its the same program. This 2-Zone OUT option on some AVRs like Denons and Marantz has me wondering? Can I actually send two different signals to the two TVs? IOW, if I want to feed Comcast HD cable into Zone #1 (Kitchen) and DierecTV into Zone #2 (Family Room) simultaneously... will that work??? So when the grandkids come over and want to watch an HBO movie in the Family Room, and maybe I want to watch ESPN or the CNN News in the kitchen... can I do that? The Kitchen TV is using its own built-in speakers, the Family room has a bunch of speakers.

I'm just looking for the simple, straightforward approach... I have the wires already in the walls with enough slack to connect. If I have to run separate speakers in the kitchen with speaker wires from the AVR to the kitchen... I won't bother. The language used in describing 2-Zone HDMI seems a bit vague, or maybe too technical? Thanks for the help!

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No mention of preamp outputs. The upgrade bug will get most of us and that "what would it sound like with an external amplifier" voice gets louder and louder until you want to buy one. I will not buy another receiver without preouts because I now have an amp in 3 rooms.

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No mention of preamp outputs. The upgrade bug will get most of us and that "what would it sound like with an external amplifier" voice gets louder and louder until you want to buy one. I will not buy another receiver without preouts because I now have an amp in 3 rooms.
I have a Denon 2200W.

Sound quality only, will it improve if upgrading to Denon 4300W?

(7.2 Klipsch RP speakers and two subs).

Thanks.
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Features and Specs are good, but the two most important for me are:

1) Build Quality - how long it works before it's junk, and
2) Sound Quality - I realize an A-V receiver is hard pressed to go up against Audiophile Equipment, but some assessment is in order.




This.


I DESPISE the way receivers are marketed now, and even this top 10 list omits the cornerstones of any receiver (build/power). Maybe some of you use some of these peculiar features but outside of 3d/4k passthrough the only thing I really care about is how it sounds, how its built, and how much power it has.


CERTAINLY if you are going to use Atmos you would need an Atmos receiver. And there are plenty of other features you may need in your space. Otherwise I feel like getting something like this:
http://www.accessories4less.com/make...eceiver/1.html
rather than identically priced Denon X2300 and Yamaha V781.
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I have a Denon 2200W.

Sound quality only, will it improve if upgrading to Denon 4300W?

(7.2 Klipsch RP speakers and two subs).

Thanks.
Yes, as the X4300H and even the X3300W both use the much more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT32 as well as Sub EQ HT (dual sub level/delay).

Refer to the first 8 posts in the 2016 Denon AVR Owner's thread linked below for more information.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...hread-faq.html
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Yes, as the X4300H and even the X3300W both use the much more advanced Audyssey MultEQ XT32 as well as Sub EQ HT (dual sub level/delay).

Refer to the first 8 posts in the 2016 Denon AVR Owner's thread linked below for more information.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...hread-faq.html
Thanks guys.

Would you think I should dig deeper in pockets and instead of 4300 go for 6300?

Just worried about sound quality, not extra channels or features.

Cheers.
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Thanks guys.

Would you think I should dig deeper in pockets and instead of 4300 go for 6300?

Just worried about sound quality, not extra channels or features.

Cheers.
Specific model questions are best discussed in their respective Owner's thread ---> https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...l#post43790578
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I have a 2009 Pioneer Elite SC – 25 and it works fine. I'm hearing now that since Onkyo acquired Pioneer the quality has really gone downhill. Something about the HDMI connectors switch over and then they don't work at all. I might be needing a new receiver soon because my 2008 Samsung LED tv just started really actively dying. My new tv will be 4k, hdr, etc and need a receiver to pass those newer signals. Who makes the best receiver these days?
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I had an Onkyo that suffered those problems. The HDMI board kept frying. Had it replaced once by the factory and the second board did the same thing. I have sworn off Onkyo won't touch anymore.
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I have a 2009 Pioneer Elite SC – 25 and it works fine. I'm hearing now that since Onkyo acquired Pioneer the quality has really gone downhill. Something about the HDMI connectors switch over and then they don't work at all. I might be needing a new receiver soon because my 2008 Samsung LED tv just started really actively dying. My new tv will be 4k, hdr, etc and need a receiver to pass those newer signals. Who makes the best receiver these days?
What brand/model you purchase will depend on your feature/input/output requirements as well as budget. Atmos/DTS:X? Pre-outs? 5CH/7CH/9CH/11CH?
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What brand/model you purchase will depend on your feature/input/output requirements as well as budget. Atmos/DTS:X? Pre-outs? 5CH/7CH/9CH/11CH?
Budget up to $1500. Don't need preouts but they come on most of them. Don't need Atmos right now, but I may want it at some point in the future. I really just want the sound quality and imaging to be flawless. I have big, floorstanding B&W speakers....604's I believe, not sure, from around 2004 that are great. The rest of the 7.1 system is B&W with the exception of the sub which is another brand that I can't recall but it works very well.

I started researching the Denon's that were released a few months ago. I've had Denon's in the past that were good. Are they still strong? Any other brands you all would recommend I look at? I think Onkyo/Pioneer is off limits now with their HDMI/electrical problems. Thanks
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Budget up to $1500. Don't need preouts but they come on most of them. Don't need Atmos right now, but I may want it at some point in the future. I really just want the sound quality and imaging to be flawless. I have big, floorstanding B&W speakers....604's I believe, not sure, from around 2004 that are great. The rest of the 7.1 system is B&W with the exception of the sub which is another brand that I can't recall but it works very well.

I started researching the Denon's that were released a few months ago. I've had Denon's in the past that were good. Are they still strong? Any other brands you all would recommend I look at? I think Onkyo/Pioneer is off limits now with their HDMI/electrical problems. Thanks
The Denon X4300H (9CH able to expand to 11CH w/2CH external amp) and Yamaha A2060 (fixed at 9CH) would both be good choices for you to consider. The Denon is able to use the new Audyssey MultEQ Editor iOS/Android app ($20) which allows customizing the Audyssey EQ curve (formerly only possible when using the Audyssey Pro Kit @ $700).

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...-pre-pros.html
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Thanks JD. I got the 4300 and am loving it. Much better sound than my old pioneer sc-25
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