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Anyone interested in a slightly used Marantz 8802a

I am seeing Emotiva in my future. I wasnt a fan of miniDSP's implementation of Dirac Live, but I sure do miss having Dirac Live. This one has pretty much everything I have been looking for - good times!!!!
Can Marantz compete this baby with their 8803? If they are not 100% sure, go back to the drawing board now, before too late!
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Hold up, mine is newer and cheaper.In da box. Plus I will throw in some auro and UHD BD discs.
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I'm anxious to hear all about it at CES.

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This 7.3.6 offering is a great step in the right direction. I just wonder if 9.3.4 or 9.1.6 could also be achieved with Atmos. If so, this could become my next pre/pro!
I would strongly have considered it with true 9.1.6 rendering capability, or at least 9.1.4. Since the overheads are not normally emphasized in immersive mixes (sad but true), yet lateral object panning is, the addition of both rears and front wides should be a given.

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I'm anxious to hear all about it at CES.
Hm, I doubt there will be a complete functional machine there at CES.

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I will be at the CES. The main questions that I have are about the music capabilities.
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This 7.3.6 offering is a great step in the right direction. I just wonder if 9.3.4 or 9.1.6 could also be achieved with Atmos. If so, this could become my next pre/pro!
I would strongly have considered it with true 9.1.6 rendering capability, or at least 9.1.4. Since the overheads are not normally emphasized in immersive mixes (sad but true), yet lateral object panning is, the addition of both rears and front wides should be a given.
What makes you think they won't support this? It's one thing if they were trying to use a single dac or two to do all the different configs I could maybe understand, but if every channel has to own dual mono dac, then the only question is if they WANT to, as they can assign channels however they feel like.
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The upside is the other manufacturers still have to compete with the specs.
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What makes you think they won't support this? It's one thing if they were trying to use a single dac or two to do all the different configs I could maybe understand, but if every channel has to own dual mono dac, then the only question is if they WANT to, as they can assign channels however they feel like.
It's down to whether or not Dolby or even possibly DTS gives their coders the rendering software to do multiple object/speaker position lookup tables.

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Can Marantz compete this baby with their 8803? If they are not 100% sure, go back to the drawing board now, before too late!
I would love to see Denon/Marantz adopt Dirac, but I doubt it will happen. Honestly, the $5k MSRP is a bit too rich for my blood for a pre/pro. More than likely, I will go with the Arcam AVR 550 or whatever their next year model is. The extra height channels are nice, but it's the integrated Dirac that I find most appealing on my next receiver purchase.
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I would love to see Denon/Marantz adopt Dirac, but I doubt it will happen. Honestly, the $5k MSRP is a bit too rich for my blood for a pre/pro. More than likely, I will go with the Arcam AVR 550 or whatever their next year model is. The extra height channels are nice, but it's the integrated Dirac that I find most appealing on my next receiver purchase.
Marantz or Yamaha could release pre-pros next year with at least 9.1.4 or maybe 9.1.6 rendering and at a lower price point due to larger build quantities, but I doubt they would get a Dirac licensing agreement.
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What makes you think they won't support this? It's one thing if they were trying to use a single dac or two to do all the different configs I could maybe understand, but if every channel has to own dual mono dac, then the only question is if they WANT to, as they can assign channels however they feel like.
Both Acurus and Datasat can do 7.1.6 but not 9.1.4 so we will see.
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IMHO, the standard should be 9.1.4 for single row seating and 11.1.6 for two rows. Not sure what's up with 7.3.6 but whatevs. Merry Christmas, everyone. I hope you're eating way too much turkey and consuming unhealthy amounts of rum and egg nog. I know I will be.

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I am most excited about the 3 subwoofer outputs, but only if each output can be separately calibrated by Dirac.

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Both Acurus and Datasat can do 7.1.6 but not 9.1.4 so we will see.
Much depends on what the manufacturer requests from both Dolby and DTS as far as rendering engine options (object/speaker positional lookup tables to be included). The audio codec companies do that coding for them.

I was under the impression that the Acurus could do 9.1.4 rendering as well.

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Much depends on what the manufacturer requests from both Dolby and DTS as far as rendering engine options (object/speaker lookup tables to be included). The audio companies do that coding for them.

I was under the impression that the Acurus could do 9.1.4 rendering as well.
Considering DSP based Atmos is maxing out at 9.1.2/7.1.4 it isn't that far fetched if the top middle speakers simply are matrixed and not rendered due to severe lack of DSP horsepower.

Edit: I have not seen a word about Acurus being able to do 9.1.4 as that would be a game changer.

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Considering DSP based Atmos is maxing out at 9.1.2/7.1.4 it isn't that far fetched if the top middle speakers simply are matrixed and not rendered due to severe lack of DSP horsepower.
It depends on the DSP engine being utilized. There are newer, more robust ready-made chips now being manufactured for flagship processor models.
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I would strongly have considered it with true 9.1.6 rendering capability, or at least 9.1.4. Since the overheads are not normally emphasized in immersive mixes (sad but true), yet lateral object panning is, the addition of both rears and front wides should be a given.
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Looks like the outputs on the mockup in the photo are labelled:

RR HEIGHT
RF HEIGHT
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R SURR
R WIDTH
R FRONT
CENTER
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L WIDTH
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L BACK
LF HEIGHT
LR HEIGHT
??? SUB
??? SUB
??? SUB


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I am most excited about the 3 subwoofer outputs, but only if each output can be separately calibrated by Dirac.

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Ideally with an EQ bypass toggle on one of the three outputs that allows for optional transducer use.

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Just remember the std for 9.1.4 from Dolby does include wides, so a 16 channel unit seems a no brainer for 9.1.6, as LFE truly is just 1 independent channel, not 3, why waste processing there?





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Awesome. I preordered an XMC1 but then canceled it and went with the X7200WA. I was a little weary of the XMC1, but I wish now I bought it. I am pretty sure my next purchase will be the RMC1. Emotiva is really starting to become a serious player in the audio world. I am still using a first gen XPA 3 channel amp and is flawless.
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Ready to be burnt by a half baked Emotiva processor yet again?
I could not agree more. They have a terrible history with pre/pros and now they want to release one that is actually ahead of the curve and not two years behind. I will believe it when I see it. I would love for them to prove us wrong and offer a cutting edge product that meets their own hype.

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Just remember the std for 9.1.4 from Dolby does include wides, so a 16 channel unit seems a no brainer for 9.1.6, as LFE truly is just 1 independent channel, not 3, why waste processing there?
One sub channel would be the LFE, but the other two sub channels are for the filtering of the lower frequencies from the LEFT/RIGHT sides. Like how the Lexicon MC-12 does it with it's three sub channels.
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Looks like the outputs on the mockup in the photo are labelled:

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R WIDTH
R FRONT
CENTER
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??? SUB


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You would think if the extra Width outputs were just for overhead speaker use they'd be called Top Middle. Maybe you can switch between rendering of the Top Middle and the Front Wide positions. I could live with that.

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If it works well in an automotive environment why wouldn't it also work well in an home audio environment? I'll wait till the RMC-1 has Dirac Unison onboard then consider buying one to replace my XMC-1.

I imagine it has to do with designing for a known physical space in a car (basically the Volvo S90 and XC90 now) vs. designing a software system that can intelligently analyze any room with any combination of sound reproduction hardware and acoustic room treatments. The latter scenario would be way harder.
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I must say, things are getting very interesting in the word of Audio Video Processor


And also moving so fast


I am looking to purchase an AV7702mkII (all I need to do Atmos/DTS:X, for home theater only), to replace what use to be a Flagship (AV8801)


Due the CDN$, I can look at it two way, the AV7702mkII will go do down in value for the stock leftover, at the same time, my beloved AV8801, will have very little re-sell value when I am ready


All that said, I am glad to see Emotiva to get in the game
I do not own any of there products, but very much respect the name.
I am wishing them the Best, and also not to get any road block, as when Outlaw Audio tried to develop a 7.1 AVP (many years back from the manufacture in China, due to pressure from the bigger boys).


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