Originally Posted by magicvinny
Can't it do width channels?
Can you do a 7.1.4 set up without back surrounds but WITH width channels?
YES. You can.
There seems to be a bit of confusion regarding whether or not the Lyngdorf MP-50 supports Width audio channels and also Middle Top audio channels, so hopefully this will clarify matters
Originally Posted by wse
why pay three time the price of the Anthem when it can only do the same.
We love the Anthem AVM-60 where in fact we have it on demo at our shiny new demonstration centre and highly recommend it to our customers, however to compare it with the Lyngdorf MP-50 is a kinda apples-with-oranges given they are different price ranges... But to answer your question, namely "why pay three time the price of the Anthem when it can only do the same"
here’s why: Firstly in more ways than one the Anthem AVM-60 does not in fact “do the same” as the Lyngdorf MP-50 (so apologies for having to correct you regarding this
), in that there are many differences between the two processors, but as far as we are concerned the considerable upgrade from Anthem Room Correction (ARC) to RoomPerfect is worth the extra cost in itself, and that's before we even consider comparative audio performances.
Of course we won't know until after we have had opportunity to lay hands on and evaluate the finished production units, but we had opportunity to evaluate the final working beta prototype and it was certainly very impressive indeed. So, we fully expect that we will end up recommending BOTH the Anthem AVM-60 AND the Lyngdorf MP-50, because like I said there are both excellent processors, but are different price categories; where if you want a superb processor for less than $5000 we’d recommend the Anthem AVM-60 without hesitation. But if your budget will extend to $10,000 then we’d recommend the Lyngdorf MP-50, where we consider the extra cost to be more than worth it many times over.
With respect to the support of width audio channels specifically, it is our understanding that yet again the Lyngdorf MP-50 wins as compared with the Anthem AVM-60. Firstly, to clarify, as confirmed ^^^^ the Lyngdorf MP-50 most certainly does indeed
fully support the width audio channels. It is merely that you are limited to a total of 12 discrete audio channels, plus total 4 matrixed audio channels, grand total 16 audio channels. These can be configured however you wish. So whilst you can't do 9.4.4 what you can do is 9.3.4 or 9.2.4; or alternatively you can do 7.4.4 with width channels instead of back surrounds.
Secondly, the way in which the Lyngdorf MP-50 supports the width audio channels is in itself also significantly superior manner as compared with the Anthem AVM-60. And here's why. Currently there exists a pathetically minor support with respect to the width audio channels both natively with respect to consumer content and also regarding the Dolby [Atmos] Surround Upmixer, which does not in fact support the width channels in any regard whatsoever. In other words, DSU will NOT create any audio information with respect to the width audio channels when fed a lesser audio signal, such as 5.1 or 7.1 audio.
Consequently, without custom-remapping audio to the width audio channels, which the Arcam AVM-60 does not do, the only way the width audio channels will be made use of and hence actually output any audio is with respect to consumer content where the native audio track includes information for the width audio channels. But unfortunately instances where this transpires and to a great degree are not very common.
However, it is our understanding that the latest iterations on both the Steinway Lyngdorf P200 and the new Lyngdorf MP-50 will in fact accordingly automatically create audio information for the width channels when you select the width channels as part of your speaker configuration, unlike the vast majority of other processors and receivers. Also, the manner in which this is done is the better way of going about things, in that the new audio information is created via matrixing. This results in superior audio performance as compared with if this is done otherwise.
So, you can opt for the Anthem AVM-60, but by doing so please bear in mind that you may have an extra pair of speakers connected to the width channels, but most of the time they are going to be silent. Whereas, with a Lyngdorf MP-50 and a 9.3.4, 9.2.4, or 7.4.4 configuration that includes widths, your width speakers will always be playing sound, with all relevant audio signals.
Our source with respect to this information is Thomas Birkelund, Steinway Lyngdorf CEO, with whom I have personally discussed this very subject of width audio channels support on more than one occasion, including recently in person face-to-face at ISE where he confirmed this is indeed the case. In short, in light of the sorry situation that it is the default (lack of) support with respect to the width audio channels both natively and via DSU I had requested of Steinway Lyngdorf that they add said remapping of audio to the width channels, and they listened and added it. And it is our understanding that this is applicable regarding the MP-50 as well. However, I am going to contact Thomas again to obtain absolutely definitive confirmation that this does indeed also apply to the Lyngdorf MP-50. I am 95% certain but I want to make absolutely sure for you guys. So, I will report back here just as soon as I receive said absolutely definitive confirmation.