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I'm a very new MP-50 Owner and want to set it up right.

> Do you have any recommendations for perfect subwoofer integration? (One or two into the front? Any brand you can recommend?)

> I want to connect my Lumin S1 Streamer & DAC into the system. (But there is no analoge input at the MP 50 today, to get my compiled DSD 128 files played through.?) Any recommendation to integrate my existing DSD Streaming & DAC to the Lyngdorf MP-50?

> How would you integrate your DSD music files to the MP-50 System?

> Did you had problems in delay of sound or picture if you stream 4K content via apple TV / amazon prime to your beamer and sound via MP-50 to your speakers? Could you adjust the time lag into the MP-50?

Thank you for some recommendations
Really looking forward for setting it up soon.

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I just noticed update 3.0.1, but this may have already been done...been away.

Theater: Lyngdorf MP-50 7.3.4, Sony VW675ES, Revel Ultima Salon2/Voice2/Gem2(4)/Paradigm Be Atmos (4), Mark Levinson amps (53 L/R, 532 Center biamped, 531H side/surrounds), Atmos amp: Sherbourn, Oppo 203, Roku Ultra Premier+, DTV 4k, Velodyne 1812 Signature (LFE), Velodyne DD-15.
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Advanced HDMI Upgrade Program Announced for Q2 2018


Steinway Lyngdorf is pleased to announce an official HDMI upgrade program for both Steinway Lyngdorf and Lyngdorf Audio customers. The new upgrade program allows for existing clients to upgrade to the very latest HDMI platform with 18Gbps bandwidth and featuring HDMI 2.1 feature enhanced Audio return channel (eARC).

Starting in Q2 2018, all existing clients will be able to take advantage of a factory-upgrade of Steinway Lyngdorf P200 processors and Lyngdorf Audio MP-50 processors. The new HDMI boards will continue to support HDR and 3D in addition to bandwidth up the 18Gbps.

Lyngdorf Audio
Lyngdorf Audio factory upgrades will cost $1,300, including roundtrip shipping. All 8 HDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs will be upgraded to 2.0b with 18Gbps bandwidth support.

Steinway Lyngdorf
Steinway Lyngdorf factory upgrades will cost $1,600, including roundtrip shipping. All 8 HDMI inputs and 4 HDMI outputs will be upgraded to 2.0b with 18Gbps bandwidth support. Video matrixing will still be active, but video wall/video tiling and picture-in-picture will no longer be enabled.

This upgrade program will be available until June 30, 2018. Please contact your local Steinway Lyngdorf or Lyngdorf Audio representative for further information.


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I just noticed update 3.0.1, but this may have already been done...been away.
The MP-50 site still shows 3.0.0. Where did 3.0.1 show up?

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I just noticed update 3.0.1, but this may have already been done...been away.
You are the first to report it!

I have updated my unit. This is right in time for the weekend. Thanks Lyngdorf!

As previously reported by @joerod (a MX160 beta tester) a "dts remapping" option has been added which allows dts:X and Neural X be decided as HEIGHTS even though TOPS are configured. This allows both Dolby and dts:X formats to be decoded properly. Full details in spoiler.

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The MP-50 site still shows 3.0.0. Where did 3.0.1 show up?
Remote update server accessible by your MP-50.
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Yes, I edited the post, but when I went to the on-screen menu 3.0.1 was indeed there.
I just completed the upgrade over the network...the zip file was quite large anyway.
Noticed upgrades of at least 3 sub-menus, including DV (may have missed some other sub-menu upgrades).

Theater: Lyngdorf MP-50 7.3.4, Sony VW675ES, Revel Ultima Salon2/Voice2/Gem2(4)/Paradigm Be Atmos (4), Mark Levinson amps (53 L/R, 532 Center biamped, 531H side/surrounds), Atmos amp: Sherbourn, Oppo 203, Roku Ultra Premier+, DTV 4k, Velodyne 1812 Signature (LFE), Velodyne DD-15.
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Yes, I edited the post, but when I went to the on-screen menu 3.0.1 was indeed there.
I just completed the upgrade over the network...the zip file was quite large anyway.
Noticed upgrades of at least 3 sub-menus, including DV (may have missed some other sub-menu upgrades).
Where is the Dolby Vision submenu? I can't find anything new in regards to FV from 2.0.14.
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Advanced HDMI Upgrade Program Announced for Q2 2018


Steinway Lyngdorf is pleased to announce an official HDMI upgrade program for both Steinway Lyngdorf and Lyngdorf Audio customers. The new upgrade program allows for existing clients to upgrade to the very latest HDMI platform with 18Gbps bandwidth and featuring HDMI 2.1 feature enhanced Audio return channel (eARC).

Starting in Q2 2018, all existing clients will be able to take advantage of a factory-upgrade of Steinway Lyngdorf P200 processors and Lyngdorf Audio MP-50 processors. The new HDMI boards will continue to support HDR and 3D in addition to bandwidth up the 18Gbps.

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Lyngdorf Audio factory upgrades will cost $1,300, including roundtrip shipping. All 8 HDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs will be upgraded to 2.0b with 18Gbps bandwidth support.

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Steinway Lyngdorf factory upgrades will cost $1,600, including roundtrip shipping. All 8 HDMI inputs and 4 HDMI outputs will be upgraded to 2.0b with 18Gbps bandwidth support. Video matrixing will still be active, but video wall/video tiling and picture-in-picture will no longer be enabled.

This upgrade program will be available until June 30, 2018. Please contact your local Steinway Lyngdorf or Lyngdorf Audio representative for further information.


Thanks for the update Nigel.

I must admit this news is a bit surprising and disappointing to me. This upgrade simply would bring the MP-50 on par with a 2017 Denon/Marantz HDMI 2.0… for the street cost of a Denon AVR-X6400!

I can understand a true HDMI 2.1 update being a paid upgrade. It seems like this update should have been free as it what should have been implemented at launch!

I'm keeping my MP-50 as is. The HDFury AVR Key or Vertex is a better option than this update IMHO.

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Here are the versions under Manage S/W after the update. I did not save pre-update versions (which you should still have? but you did update, so perhaps not).
* denotes that I saw the on-unit display that stated update was in progress. Again, I may have missed some.
System 3.01 *
DV05 3.12a *
IO31 4.06b *
jennic 4.03a
SP08 dsp 0.44a (* I think)
SP08 fep 0.11c
Trigger 2.03 (same as before).

Sorry if you thought submenus were on the individual settings (like audio, etc.), and I did not notice any differences.

On the upgrade...hoping that while the HDMI cards have 2.0b, they can handle 2.1 with a s/w update once all of the approvals are obtained...and verified. However, 18Gbps, while all we need for now, is well below the futuristic-looking 2.1 standard, so I am confused as to how any HDMI card can be fully 2.1 compliant (other than eARC).
Also, I was thinking that the upgrade would include 16 discrete channels. If not, then I am somewhat disappointed as well.

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Lyngdorf Audio factory upgrades will cost $1,300, including roundtrip shipping.

Will there be an increase in MSRP for new units w/the new board?

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Here are the versions under Manage S/W after the update. I did not save pre-update versions (which you should still have? but you did update, so perhaps not).
* denotes that I saw the on-unit display that stated update was in progress. Again, I may have missed some.
System 3.01 *
DV05 3.12a *
IO31 4.06b *
jennic 4.03a
SP08 dsp 0.44a (* I think)
SP08 fep 0.11c
Trigger 2.03 (same as before).
You can find the versions under System Setup » Manage Software » Software Information
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That's where I copied them down from. Can someone who hasn't updated to 3.01 provide their list?
Then we will know which were and weren't updated.

Theater: Lyngdorf MP-50 7.3.4, Sony VW675ES, Revel Ultima Salon2/Voice2/Gem2(4)/Paradigm Be Atmos (4), Mark Levinson amps (53 L/R, 532 Center biamped, 531H side/surrounds), Atmos amp: Sherbourn, Oppo 203, Roku Ultra Premier+, DTV 4k, Velodyne 1812 Signature (LFE), Velodyne DD-15.
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On the upgrade...hoping that while the HDMI cards have 2.0b, they can handle 2.1 with a s/w update once all of the approvals are obtained...and verified. However, 18Gbps, while all we need for now, is well below the futuristic-looking 2.1 standard, so I am confused as to how any HDMI card can be fully 2.1 compliant (other than eARC).
It can't be. This is no different than the HDMI 2.0b w/eARC on the 2017 D+M models. Even my 2015 Marantz and 2016 Denon support DD+ over ARC. The 2018 D+Ms are reported to be 2.1 compliant.
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Also, I was thinking that the upgrade would include 16 discrete channels. If not, then I am somewhat disappointed as well.
Only if and when ADI releases support for greater than 12 channels decoded for 4th gen SHARC chipsets will we see this.

They haven't even released this support for the 5th-gen Griffin Lite chips. So don't hold you breath.
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It can't be. This is no different than the HDMI 2.0b w/eARC on the 2017 D+M models. Even my 2015 Marantz and 2016 Denon support DD+ over ARC. The 2018 D+Ms are reported to be 2.1 compliant.

Only if and when ADI releases support for greater than 12 channels decoded for 4th gen SHARC chipsets will we see this.

They haven't even released this support for the 5th-gen Griffin Lite chips. So don't hold you breath.
No 2.1 so it can't support dynamic hdr, which is what DV is all about I believe? So does it pass thru static HDR DV and HLG then?

Not sure what anyone would want with more than 18gbps, but for 1,300 clams I feel it should have ticked more boxes.

As long as it supports media players and game consoles allowing 4k HDR i reckon I can live with it.

Xbox one X will have hdmi 2.1 soon.

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No 2.1 so it can't support dynamic hdr, which is what DV is all about I believe? So does it pass thru static HDR DV and HLG then?

Not sure what anyone would want with more than 18gbps, but for 1,300 clams I feel it should have ticked more boxes.

As long as it supports media players and game consoles allowing 4k HDR i reckon I can live with it.

Xbox one X will have hdmi 2.1 soon.

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The MP-50 has supported Dolby Vision at 2160p24/30 (4:2:2) since rev 2.0.14 (Dolby Vision's dynamic metadata is tunneled unlike HDR10 therefore doesn't require HDMI 2.1). HDR10+ 24p/30p could theoretically be supported by the current MP-50 HDMI chipset. Currently, the MP-50 can pass 2160p 4:2:0 8-bit max (which omits HDR/WCG).

This HDMI 2.0b Lyngdorf update would allow HDR10 and DV up to 2160p60 (24p/30p up to 4:4:4 and 60p 4:2:2). HLG is generally always going to be 50p/60p. It could/should be supported by this new HDMI 2.0b chipset.

What will HDMI 2.1 bring? Support for up to 4k @ 120Hz and 8k @ 60Hz (uncompressed... higher with Display Stream Compression).



HDMI 2.1 also brings Variable Refresh Rate (basically HDMI version of freesync), Quick Frame Transport, and Quick Media Switching for better, lag-free gaming as well as to eliminate screen blanking when switching sources.

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The MP-50 has supported Dolby Vision at 2160p24/30 (4:2:2) since rev 2.0.14 (Dolby Vision's dynamic metadata is tunneled unlike HDR10 therefore doesn't require HDMI 2.1). HDR10+ 24p/30p could theoretically be supported by the current MP-50 HDMI chipset. Currently, the MP-50 can pass 2160p 4:2:0 8-bit max (which omits HDR/WCG).

This HDMI 2.0b Lyngdorf update would allow HDR10 and DV up to 2160p60 (24p/30p up to 4:4:4 and 60p 4:2:2). HLG is generally always going to be 50p/60p. It could/should be supported by this new HDMI 2.0b chipset.

What will HDMI 2.1 bring? Support for up to 4k @ 120Hz and 8k @ 60Hz.



HDMI 2.1 also brings Variable Refresh Rate (basically HDMI version of freesync), Quick Frame Transport, and Quick Media Switching for better, lag-free gaming as well as to eliminate screen blanking when switching sources.
I just want it to support 4k hdr from my shield TV anything from games consoles etc, DV and perhaps HLG.

8k / 120hz is not due on anything for years to come. Screen blanking isn't something I'd loose sleep over, I'm not a twitch gamer. Variable refresh sounds interesting tho. But I'm not sure if any of these things are currently or due to be implemented on blu ray? Making it all kinda irrelevant, right?

Didn't the Trinnov just get a simialr/less capable board?

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No 2.1 so it can't support dynamic hdr, which is what DV is all about I believe? So does it pass thru static HDR DV and HLG then?

Not sure what anyone would want with more than 18gbps, but for 1,300 clams I feel it should have ticked more boxes.

As long as it supports media players and game consoles allowing 4k HDR i reckon I can live with it.

Xbox one X will have hdmi 2.1 soon.

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2.1 is about two things:

1) Bandwidth upgrade to 48gb
2) Feature upgrades (eARC, HDR10+, variable refresh rate, etc, as Marc pointed out).

It is said that the HDMI 2.0 chips could be firmware updated to support many of the HDMI 2.1 features. Whether that will happen or not, though, would be up to the chipset makers (and product manufacturers). I believe Lyngdorf said it'll have eARC, so they are already adding 2.1 features.

Basically, anything other than the bandwidth is potentially a firmware upgrade away. But, given the history of manufacturers, if it doesn't have it out of the gate, I don't hold my breath for it. They certainly have more to gain by selling a new unit with the feature than updating the existing models. A pity, IMO, and a resource drain at recycling bins around the world, lol.
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I have a Murideo SIXG and SIXA 4k pattern generator and signal analyzer. I set up various 4k resolutions and bit depth and the only signal the MP-50 will pass is 4k 23.98 4:2:2. Basically 9ghz. I was surprised that it would not pass 4k60 4:2:2.

EDIT: The MP-50 will output the correct resolution based on the input, however, the internal switching will not pass an image above 4k 23.98 to the output.
Based on the patterns you submitted, Lyngdorf pointed out that the Murideo was generating 2160p60 8-bit bt.2020 to sneak under the 10.2Gbps limit. This is not valid as you need 10-bit minimum for bt.2020. Although the PS4 and Xbox One S do this, even at 1080p60 and most displays accept it... Lyngdorf has no plans to support this (it works fine via Marantz AV7702mkII and Denon X4300H). 8-bit should be bt.709 which is not HDR/WCG according to the standard.
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2.1 is about two things:

1) Bandwidth upgrade to 48gb
2) Feature upgrades (eARC, HDR10+, variable refresh rate, etc, as Marc pointed out).

It is said that the HDMI 2.0 chips could be firmware updated to support many of the HDMI 2.1 features. Whether that will happen or not, though, would be up to the chipset makers (and product manufacturers). I believe Lyngdorf said it'll have eARC, so they are already adding 2.1 features.

Basically, anything other than the bandwidth is potentially a firmware upgrade away. But, given the history of manufacturers, if it doesn't have it out of the gate, I don't hold my breath for it. They certainly have more to gain by selling a new unit with the feature than updating the existing models. A pity, IMO, and a resource drain at recycling bins around the world, lol.
True, but if there is no software for the hardware..... Then is it still relevant?

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3.1 update

Well, after your new update, how does dts / Neural X sound?
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Well, after your new update, how does dts / Neural X sound?
That fix wasn't in the update afaik.

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Yes it was… its the main reason for the update.
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Oh ok I didn't see a read me on it. A quick flip between the 2 modes seems like it is fixed.

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Take a look at the 160 forum regarding the Enable Remapping function. Curious as to your observations after you play around with it.
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Not sure if it is the same for you guys, but when I wanted to run multiple subs from the single LFE output of the MX160 using a XLR/RCA adapter I was advised to only use an XLR/RCA adapter with pin 3 lifted. Got one made by Blue jeans cable.
I have used XLR splitters and XLR-to-RCA adapters (Neutrik and Hosa brands) successfully with the MP-50. I am not sure why you were told to only use RCA unless your subs do all support XLR. I actually don't require the XLR splitter because all of my subs/MBMs have XLR-through capability (except my INuke for TTs). It just makes cabling easier. XLR-through is just a passive/parallel connection anyway.

I discussed subwoofers and the MP-50 in-depth with my Lyngdorf rep this week. @noah katz I had you specifically in mind. Lyngdorf's auxiliary subwoofers are intended to be used with Lyngdord boundary subwoofers (upper extension to 800Hz) or subwoofers that extend ≥300Hz. Expect diminishing returns with subs that don't go beyond 200Hz (most don't or are not optimal that high).

Conventional subs should be split from the single LFE out. This means that multiple subs should either be equidistant from the MLP or time/phase aligned manually. This is very easy to do with Room EQ Wizard and a microphone. You can even use the RoomPerfect mic with a USB sound interface or even a built-in sound card. It can be done satisfactory by ear.

This is the way it is for the time being. It will be interesting to see how Emotiva implements subwoofers w/Dirac in the RMC-1 as the RMC-1 could prove to be an upgrade for those willing to out in the time with Dirac.

Here is the list of devices you need to bring the MP-50 closer to what Emotiva, Denon & Marantz have previewed (but not yet delivered):
  1. HDFury Vertex or AVR Key for 18Gbps HDMI 2.0b support (or $1300 Lyngdorf updated HDMI board)
  2. Mytek ADC96 (or other ADC) for analog audio input
  3. REW & DSP (MiniDSP or DSpeaker) for multi-sub integration
  4. Analog video to HDMI?
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Marc, thanks for the clarification on use of the aux channels for subs.

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I'm a very new MP-50 Owner and want to set it up right.

> Do you have any recommendations for perfect subwoofer integration? (One or two into the front? Any brand you can recommend?)

> I want to connect my Lumin S1 Streamer & DAC into the system. (But there is no analoge input at the MP 50 today, to get my compiled DSD 128 files played through.?) Any recommendation to integrate my existing DSD Streaming & DAC to the Lyngdorf MP-50?

> How would you integrate your DSD music files to the MP-50 System?

> Did you had problems in delay of sound or picture if you stream 4K content via apple TV / amazon prime to your beamer and sound via MP-50 to your speakers? Could you adjust the time lag into the MP-50?

Thank you for some recommendations
Really looking forward for setting it up soon.

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Oliver, sorry for the delay. No one else responded so I will. I did have problems with lip-sync which was easily resolved by adjusting "lipsync". This is accessible on the bottom of the main page when you access the unit with a web browser (I use chrome on my mobile). It is also accessible via the remote by going into the audio menu (hit audio on the remote), easier with OSD enabled.

I have yet to test via Network and USB but the unit does not accept DSD via HDMI. It must be converted to PCM anyway for RoomPerfect so I have my Sony UBP-X800 converting to 176.4kHz. I was told by an insider that (not with Sony) that Sony utilizes the best DSD to PCM algorithm. YMMV

I have yet to confirm the DAC used by the MP-50 but I have no complaints. If you A/B and find your DAC superior you could connect it to the Zone2 192kHz SPDIF output of the MP-50 (2ch only, multi-channel will be downmixed so you cannot use SPDIF for L/R of a multi-channel setup).

I am full of subwoofer recommendations but I have no idea what your room is like, what your budget is, or what your ultimate goals are.
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Advanced HDMI Upgrade Program Announced for Q2 2018


Steinway Lyngdorf is pleased to announce an official HDMI upgrade program for both Steinway Lyngdorf and Lyngdorf Audio customers. The new upgrade program allows for existing clients to upgrade to the very latest HDMI platform with 18Gbps bandwidth and featuring HDMI 2.1 feature enhanced Audio return channel (eARC).

Starting in Q2 2018, all existing clients will be able to take advantage of a factory-upgrade of Steinway Lyngdorf P200 processors and Lyngdorf Audio MP-50 processors. The new HDMI boards will continue to support HDR and 3D in addition to bandwidth up the 18Gbps.

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Lyngdorf Audio factory upgrades will cost $1,300, including roundtrip shipping. All 8 HDMI inputs and 2 HDMI outputs will be upgraded to 2.0b with 18Gbps bandwidth support.

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Steinway Lyngdorf factory upgrades will cost $1,600, including roundtrip shipping. All 8 HDMI inputs and 4 HDMI outputs will be upgraded to 2.0b with 18Gbps bandwidth support. Video matrixing will still be active, but video wall/video tiling and picture-in-picture will no longer be enabled.

This upgrade program will be available until June 30, 2018. Please contact your local Steinway Lyngdorf or Lyngdorf Audio representative for further information.


What about 18Gbps HD-BaseT? It was not mentioned in the press release.

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Didn't the Trinnov just get a simialr/less capable board?
Here's some dissapointing news in light of the Lyngdorf HDMI announcement.

The Trinnov board is not less capable. They have restricted 4 ports to 10.2Gbps in software for compatibility. It will be updated to full 18Gbps in a future update.

The cost of this HDMI upgrade you ask? $700 for those who purchased before December 31, 2016. After? FREE!

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I have used XLR splitters and XLR-to-RCA adapters (Neutrik and Hosa brands) successfully with the MP-50. I am not sure why you were told to only use RCA unless your subs do all support XLR. I actually don't require the XLR splitter because all of my subs/MBMs have XLR-through capability (except my INuke for TTs). It just makes cabling easier. XLR-through is just a passive/parallel connection anyway.

I discussed subwoofers and the MP-50 in-depth with my Lyngdorf rep this week. @noah katz I had you specifically in mind. Lyngdorf's auxiliary subwoofers are intended to be used with Lyngdord boundary subwoofers (upper extension to 800Hz) or subwoofers that extend ≥300Hz. Expect diminishing returns with subs that don't go beyond 200Hz (most don't or are not optimal that high).

Conventional subs should be split from the single LFE out. This means that multiple subs should either be equidistant from the MLP or time/phase aligned manually. This is very easy to do with Room EQ Wizard and a microphone. You can even use the RoomPerfect mic with a USB sound interface or even a built-in sound card. It can be done satisfactory by ear.

This is the way it is for the time being. It will be interesting to see how Emotiva implements subwoofers w/Dirac in the RMC-1 as the RMC-1 could prove to be an upgrade for those willing to out in the time with Dirac.

Here is the list of devices you need to bring the MP-50 closer to what Emotiva, Denon & Marantz have previewed (but not yet delivered):
  1. HDFury Vertex or AVR Key for 18Gbps HDMI 2.0b support (or $1300 Lyngdorf updated HDMI board)
  2. Mytek ADC96 (or other ADC) for analog audio input
  3. REW & DSP (MiniDSP or DSpeaker) for multi-sub integration
  4. Analog video to HDMI?
Yes, I had to use the splitter since the subs only have RCA.
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