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Are u experiencing the same problems I have with Treble/Bass adjustments, not being saved and/or The LipSync issue with negative values?


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XO testing should be done before running RP.

What kind of testing?

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What kind of testing?
Determining what XO is supported for the speakers/room.

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I believe I now have a simple and relatively inexpensive way to have RoomPerfect handle everything except the LFE.

The MP-50 can output HDMI signals with Audio intact (pass-through) via both HDMI 1 and 2 outs. One could use HDMI 2 (set to 1080p) and any HDMI 1.3 or higher AVR or even HDMI 1 through a HDMI 2.0 AVR, gettinf an unprocessed .1 LFE for your miniDSP, iNuke, Jupiter or whatever. This is especially preferable if you use tactile transducers/motion actuators.

I just picked up a Denon X3200 for cheap for this application. This is a full 18Gbps HDMI 2.0b HDCP 2.2 chipset. I will also test a HDMI 1.3 Yamaha RX-V1800. I believe the LFE extraction will work for all Dolby, dts, and Auro3D tracks.

I still contend that with RoomPerfect you should have you bass management woofers along the front wall (preferably in the corners). This could mean full range speakers, boundary woofers, or just LFE subs.

While I await my new speakers, I am setting RoomPerfect up with boundary woofers in the front corners and LFE in the rear. I want to see how RoomPerfect's LFE compares to Audyssey, Dirac, and my own EQing via the Symetrix Jupiter 8.
Interesting, I have an Onkyo PR5509 that I could try for this...But how will you adjust volume of the LFE output to match with the volume of the other channels from the MP50?

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Interesting, I have an Onkyo PR5509 that I could try for this...But how will you adjust volume of the LFE output to match with the volume of the other channels from the MP50?
Initially, this is just for testing. Long term, macro sequences would be created for vokume adjust and mute.
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Any rumors that Lyngdorf will make a pre-pro with fewer channels that is less expensive? Just dreamin over here.
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I found the attached.

Still, I'd think you could construct the bump in the one you showed with a single PEQ filter.
This is 2 filters to make the the Harman curve. I use less low-end boost though. Another filter can be added >10kHz if you want to match it exactly, but this one hits the main points.
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This is Harman + removing the <30Hz rolloff with another filter.
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Nice.

Is the low end bump done w/a PEQ or shelf filter?


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This is Harman + removing the <30Hz rolloff with another filter.

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Nice.

Is the low end bump done w/a PEQ or shelf filter?
PEQ for the <30Hz, the other 2 are shelf filters.

I really like how the low end is not boosted past 160-170Hz. Sounds more natural to me and prevents male voices from sounding too deep or "chesty".

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This is 2 filters to make the the Harman curve....
Ah, but Harman has a new reference curve!

See early pages of the SDP-75 thread for advertising hype. The curve, itself, remains a mystery to all but a few recent purchasers of Harman products.
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Ah, but Harman has a new reference curve!

See early pages of the SDP-75 thread for advertising hype. The curve, itself, remains a mystery to all but a few recent purchasers of Harman products.
Eh, doubt it will be much different. I'll probably try it out once it appears on the internets.

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Ah, but Harman has a new reference curve!

See early pages of the SDP-75 thread for advertising hype. The curve, itself, remains a mystery to all but a few recent purchasers of Harman products.
Eh, doubt it will be much different. I'll probably try it out once it appears on the internets.
Can you post screen shots of each filter ? Please and thank you.
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PEQ for the <30Hz, the other 2 are shelf filters.

I really like how the low end is not boosted past 160-170Hz. Sounds more natural to me and prevents male voices from sounding too deep or "chesty".
Lyngdorf informed me that they will provide an update to RoomPerfect that probably will fix the "<30Hz" issue. This is great news!
I suppose it may be similar to the pre-EQ functionality they have provided in the new TDAI-3400.

The voicing tool in the MP-50 is really great, but for the <30Hz issue I think it is not optimal. First it cannot fully compensate for the loss below 20Hz, or at least I never managed to do that. Second, and more importantly in my case, it is a global adjustment and that is not optimal in my current setup with 4 individually calibrated subs on aux 1-4: In my case, RP applies too much attenuation <35Hz mainly to my two front corner subs, but much less so to the rear subs (the reason probably being a modal dip/peak that only affects my front subs and that affects how RP calculates the target curve for affected channels). So global adjustment does not work that well...

So I just tried what might seem as a bit strange workaround (in anticipation of the new RP version): I first set up my front corner subs in "sealed mode" which causes about 9dB lower output at 16Hz, then I ran RP (and measured and confirmed the usual attenuation below about 35 Hz). Then I reconfigured the front subs as being in ported "extended" mode, but did not re-run RP after that.

The end result after RP are shown in the attached graphs (before and after reconfiguring the front subs). The first graph shows my left front channel (main+left front sub). The second graph shows the impact of the frontsub reconfig on the LFE. In this case I got a lot more LF for music (front channels) and a bit more on the LFE-channel. Just what I wanted :-) This is the important point: I cannot achieve this with voicings.

For those of you with SVS ported subs with different modes (sealed, extended, ported), you may want to try this, although of course I have no idea how your results will measure and sound like. Maybe I was just lucky... but in my case the end result is simply GREAT and I can happily live with this setup! Now I get great integration with mains, superb and tight LF down to 13 Hz +/-3dB for both mains and LFE. Without external DSP.

Erik :-)
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Can you post screen shots of each filter ? Please and thank you.
You'll need to add more gain to the Low Shelf if you want to match the Harman curve exactly. I left overall gain at 0 because I have a ton of headroom. Also, the preset filters like Action, add 6dB of overall gain.
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Lyngdorf informed me that they will provide an update to RoomPerfect that probably will fix the "<30Hz" issue. This is great news!
I suppose it may be similar to the pre-EQ functionality they have provided in the new TDAI-3400.
Great news! I've sent them a bunch of data and it looks like they finally 'see' it.
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Any one having problems with Atmos? I have noticed over last couple months that when I play atmos disks the Lyngdorf web interface for audio format, says Atmos 48 kHz, but for output, it is either blank or says 7.0.4. The playback seems to be missing serious punch.

This shows on new disks and disks I have played before with a 7.1.4 output. DtsX plays fine, showing 7.1.4

Using an Oppo 203.
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Any one having problems with Atmos? I have noticed over last couple months that when I play atmos disks the Lyngdorf web interface for audio format, says Atmos 48 kHz, but for output, it is either blank or says 7.0.4. The playback seems to be missing serious punch.

This shows on new disks and disks I have played before with a 7.1.4 output. DtsX plays fine, showing 7.1.4

Using an Oppo 203.
I get the same thing (the "output" shows nothing) but since it shows ATMOS as input and all channels are playing, even with no post-processing selected, I assume everything is okay. No? And on 2L recordings where I have many different formats I can hear the change in sound when I switch format on the disk player... one exception is Auro3D where I have to explicitly set "Auro3D" post-processing to get correct decoding, but I think that is how it must be as there is apparently no format meta-data that the processor can use to identify Auro3D. I am sure some experts here can elaborate a lot better than can I

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Great news! I've sent them a bunch of data and it looks like they finally 'see' it.
Indeed, if they fix it (and get 18gb cards shipping) then this processor ends up back on my radar.
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Hi all ! I finally got my Mp50 back from service. Do anyone know if you can change in the Mp50 so that you can listen to only stereo and not use the subwoofer at all? I have no clue
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Simply configure your front speakers as XL.
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Hi agian Marc! Yes i know that but i wanted to have one setting for music and one for movie. I mean i want it to change it by it self. The same thing you can do on recivers.
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Hi agian Marc! Yes i know that but i wanted to have one setting for music and one for movie. I mean i want it to change it by it self. The same thing you can do on recivers.
You can approach it several different ways.

If your mains are truly full range and as capable as your sub(s), just configure as XL and the sub will not play when STEREO is selected. However, many movies have bass encoded in the mains that is often better reproduced by one's sub(s). YMMV

You can maintain two separate configs on flash and switch between them. You have to run RoomPerfect from scratch for the 2nd config. It takes ~2 mins to reboot after switching configs.

Instead of configuring the mains for XL you can also configure to send bass to mains and sub(s). You choose speaker crossover/size normally but select, "Use Natural Roll-off" - YES. Then you can simply turn your subs off when you don't want them to play. Many are successfully using the natural roll-off option with good success.

There are probably other ways to approach as well. The best thing to do is to simply read the bass-management portion of the user's manual to understand how the system routes bass and setup what you are comfortable with.

I will say that RoomPerfect is supposed to take the guess work away and utilize the subs effectively in both 2ch and surround modes. Is this not your experience? How do you currently have your speakers configured?
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You can approach it several different ways.

If your mains are truly full range and as capable as your sub(s), just configure as XL and the sub will not play when STEREO is selected. However, many movies have bass encoded in the mains that is often better reproduced by one's sub(s). YMMV

You can maintain two separate configs on flash and switch between them. You have to run RoomPerfect from scratch for the 2nd config. It takes ~2 mins to reboot after switching configs.

Instead of configuring the mains for XL you can also configure to send bass to mains and sub(s). You choose speaker crossover/size normally but select, "Use Natural Roll-off" - YES. Then you can simply turn your subs off when you don't want them to play. Many are successfully using the natural roll-off option with good success.

There are probably other ways to approach as well. The best thing to do is to simply read the bass-management portion of the user's manual to understand how the system routes bass and setup what you are comfortable with.

I will say that RoomPerfect is supposed to take the guess work away and utilize the subs effectively in both 2ch and surround modes. Is this not your experience? How do you currently have your speakers configured?
well the first Roomperfect i forgot to change the crossover from xl to custom and 80hz. Also used the roomcorrection in my sub also. Today i did a roomperfectcalibartion also. This time i hade the speakers as custom and at 80hz and roomcorrection of in my sub. It seem i got a cleaner base with movies and it seem i got as a whole a better sound from music also with my sub. I will try some more but what i can tell a get a better sound with the settings i have now. All my speakers as custom and at 80 hz and on my sub with no roomcorrection.
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Hi agian Marc! Do you know why RP under channel gain are greyed out and what does it mean also under the the same page when its says dolby, dts and auro and there the nummers are 0 and you can change it up to 20db or -20db? But like the Rp that is greyed out its for example 25db on the left channel and you cant change. How should a i go about the nummbers in the channels gain under speaker setup and under the menu channelsgain? A sidenote! I think the manual its not very good for the Mp50. They should have alot alot more about the settings and what the different settings does.
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Hi agian Marc! Do you know why RP under channel gain are greyed out and what does it mean also under the the same page when its says dolby, dts and auro and there the nummers are 0 and you can change it up to 20db or -20db? But like the Rp that is greyed out its for example 25db on the left channel and you cant change. How should a i go about the nummbers in the channels gain under speaker setup and under the menu channelsgain?
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I agree. Only bass management was given any attention at all. It is quite anemic. I got the P200 install guide and didn't learn much more from that either. I learned much more from the MX160 users. Shout out to @joerod @Philip To @daimler2015 @RapalloAV @SJHT @G-Rex @OzHDHT
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I feel qualified to write a better manual. They need to contract me if they can't do it. I will ask about a new manual. I actually don't mind the lack of documentation so much when they are focussing resources on making the product better, which has been the case so far.
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