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I am still having issues with MP-50 and USB audio via Windows. I was having an issue with MacMini bootcamped with Windows 10 Pro for USB audio.

Now I have got rid of the Mac Mini and am in process building a HTPC. In the meantime I bought a new Dell XPS 15 All In One laptop.

Some issues....no USB audio. Plus lots of other little issues getting audio out of JRiver, Roon, Spotify. I get no test sound of the Windows Playback Devices. I can see on the screen that the MP-50 puts the audio information when I hit play but no sound.
Reinstalled USB drivers did nothing


USB has been nothing but a pain in the ass and I am getting tired of dealing with this. Where is Lyngdorf technical support?

I don't see that there is a direct link to technical support. Are we supposed to depend on the dealers to do technical support?
I'm curious - why would you use USB when you can use a LAN connection? I don't own the MP-50, but I've owned a lot of USB and Ethernet DACs and have found that Ethernet kicks USB's ass.

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First off, I want my USB audio to work because I paid for it.

Are you talking about using Airplay for audio? I am not interested in Airplay.

Am not sure what you are suggesting with a LAN connection regarding the MP-50.

I stream Roon to my Lumin D1 from my computer without issue.

I want to be able to use Roon via USB to MP-50 and I have found no help in getting this to work. I have contacted my dealer so hopefully he can help sort this out.

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Now after leaving for a couple of hours and doing nothing other than putting the computer to sleep, I come back and I am getting audio via USB.


Jriver is playing with these Audio Devices;
ASIO Lyngdorf AS 1.03
ASIO Generic USB Device
XMOS USB Audio 2.0 ST 30A2 (ASIO)
Lyngdorf Audio A/S Streaming (Kernel Streaming)
Digital Output )Lyngdorf Audio A/S USB Driver 1.0.57 (Direct Sound)


JRiver not working with this Audio Device;
Digital Output (Lyngdorf Audio A/S USB Driver 1.0.57 (WASAPI)


Roon is now working with this Audio Device;
ASIO Lyngdorf A/S 1.03


Roon doesn't work with this Audio Device;
Lyngdorf Audio A/S USB Driver 1.0.57 (WASAPI)



As long as this continues to work, I am good. But I have had multiple times not been able to get the audio drivers to output USB audio.


I don't know where the issue lies....
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Ha, unplugged USB cable for about 5 seconds to move a power supply cable around.


Now nothing Lyngdorf USB is working. I think Windows and Lyngdorf USB drivers need some work.



Does anyone have Lyngdorf USB drivers working using Windows 10?
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There are probably some USB users on the UK forum, AVForums.

Use [email protected] for technical support in the US.
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First off, I want my USB audio to work because I paid for it.

Are you talking about using Airplay for audio? I am not interested in Airplay.

Am not sure what you are suggesting with a LAN connection regarding the MP-50.

I stream Roon to my Lumin D1 from my computer without issue.

I want to be able to use Roon via USB to MP-50 and I have found no help in getting this to work. I have contacted my dealer so hopefully he can help sort this out.
I take it that your Lumin D1 and the MP-50 aren't in the same room, right?

My comment was based on the fact that the MP-50 has an Ethernet connection. Ethernet trumps USB and one of the reasons that it does is the driver issue you appear to be having. As for Airplay? ugh.

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I take it that your Lumin D1 and the MP-50 aren't in the same room, right?

My comment was based on the fact that the MP-50 has an Ethernet connection. Ethernet trumps USB and one of the reasons that it does is the driver issue you appear to be having. As for Airplay? ugh.
Sure but to use the Ethernet for streaming with Roon directly to the MP-50 it must be Roon ready, which it currently is not.
I use USB to stream to the MP-50 in this way: Tidal/MQA->Roon->Ethernet->microRendu (in Roon mode)->USB->MP-50. Sounds very nice.
But of course, no Windows 10 in the loop...
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Would you owners of the MP-50 that have historically upgraded their pre-amps often say the MP-50 will stop the itch to upgrade for a longer ownership cycle? I have historically upgraded every two years or so and would love to find a pre-amp that would be the cornerstone of my system for 5 years or more. The upcoming HDMI boards should give me enough future proofing if the MP-50 is what I think it is sonically the investment in this unit should stop the cycle for a good bit..
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Would you owners of the MP-50 that have historically upgraded their pre-amps often say the MP-50 will stop the itch to upgrade for a longer ownership cycle? I have historically upgraded every two years or so and would love to find a pre-amp that would be the cornerstone of my system for 5 years or more. The upcoming HDMI boards should give me enough future proofing if the MP-50 is what I think it is sonically the investment in this unit should stop the cycle for a good bit..
Unfortunately, "upgradeitis" is not a hardware related issue - all of us in the hobby have that problem ......

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Unfortunately, "upgradeitis" is not a hardware related issue - all of us in the hobby have that problem ......
Unless your signature line is not current you don't even own this pre-amp, correct?
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Unless your signature line is not current you don't even own this pre-amp, correct?
Correct - but whether or not I own this unit or any other unit, I believe the philosophy is the same - we all want to upgrade at one point or another due to the rapid rate of technology change.

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Would you owners of the MP-50 that have historically upgraded their pre-amps often say the MP-50 will stop the itch to upgrade for a longer ownership cycle? I have historically upgraded every two years or so and would love to find a pre-amp that would be the cornerstone of my system for 5 years or more. The upcoming HDMI boards should give me enough future proofing if the MP-50 is what I think it is sonically the investment in this unit should stop the cycle for a good bit..
It has for me. Although, I did add an external DSP (Symetrix Jupiter) and HDMI processor (HDFury Vertex) to reach this point.

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Would you owners of the MP-50 that have historically upgraded their pre-amps often say the MP-50 will stop the itch to upgrade for a longer ownership cycle? I have historically upgraded every two years or so and would love to find a pre-amp that would be the cornerstone of my system for 5 years or more. The upcoming HDMI boards should give me enough future proofing if the MP-50 is what I think it is sonically the investment in this unit should stop the cycle for a good bit..
Yes, the itch has certainly been scratched. I plan to keep it until it dies and can no longer be repaired. Still undecided if I'm going to get the upgraded 4k card.

I'm no longer constantly testing and tweaking things, just watching movies and listening to music.

Only thing I wish it had is Pro Logic II.

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Yes, the itch has certainly been scratched. I plan to keep it until it dies and can no longer be repaired. Still undecided if I'm going to get the upgraded 4k card.

I'm no longer constantly testing and tweaking things, just watching movies and listening to music.

Only thing I wish it had is Pro Logic II.
Since it doesn't have Pro Logic II, what is your default listening mode? I ask because I have a 7.2 setup (using a Classe SSP-800) and it defaults to Pro Logic IIx on streamed 5.1 content so all channels are engaged. Wondering if the MP-50 does something similar even without Pro Logic II

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Since it doesn't have Pro Logic II, what is your default listening mode? I ask because I have a 7.2 setup (using a Classe SSP-800) and it defaults to Pro Logic IIx on streamed 5.1 content so all channels are engaged. Wondering if the MP-50 does something similar even without Pro Logic II
I use Neural:X for most movies and Auro3D for stereo music. You can select the default up-mixer(or no post-processing) for each input you create in the MP-50's software.

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I'm contemplating replacing my Anthem AVM60 with the MP-50. I'd be looking to accomplish improved HT (5.1.4) enjoyment with Room Perfect, but mostly for the potential improvement in 2.1 channel music listening as I'm finding that I am doing more of that recently. Alternatively, I could get a 2-Channel Pre-Pro with HT bypass and keep the AVM60.

Can anyone share their experience with a similar move (AVM60 to MP-50)? Was/is there a significant difference between the two (especially with music listening)?

How do the MP-50 owners like the built-in media player?

I would most likely commit whenever the updated chipset has been released.
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Would you owners of the MP-50 that have historically upgraded their pre-amps often say the MP-50 will stop the itch to upgrade for a longer ownership cycle? I have historically upgraded every two years or so and would love to find a pre-amp that would be the cornerstone of my system for 5 years or more. The upcoming HDMI boards should give me enough future proofing if the MP-50 is what I think it is sonically the investment in this unit should stop the cycle for a good bit..
Happy with the MP50, but I am considering to add a Mytek Manhattan II DAC/pre to my system (for 2ch sources). This is one of very few DAC+preamps that has an "analog XLR passthrough" so that I easily can combine it with the MP50 for the front L+R speakers. The MP50 is extremely good on movies and very good on 2ch music, but not quite as good on 2ch as I've heard or even obtained with my old stereo DAC. So that's why I am considering this.. So yes there is some itching, not necessarily to replace it but to expand a bit!
EDIT: only problem with this is that I would like to include my subs for 2ch as well.... So as an alternative option I have a *small* itch to replace the MP50 for a Trinnov with all that flexibility, tweaking options and phase adjustment/alignment.. but then I would have to check whether it is better than the MP50 for 2ch, and that is not obvious. If not, Mytek + MP50 is probably the better upgrade;-)
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I'm contemplating replacing my Anthem AVM60 with the MP-50. I'd be looking to accomplish improved HT (5.1.4) enjoyment with Room Perfect, but mostly for the potential improvement in 2.1 channel music listening as I'm finding that I am doing more of that recently. Alternatively, I could get a 2-Channel Pre-Pro with HT bypass and keep the AVM60.

Can anyone share their experience with a similar move (AVM60 to MP-50)? Was/is there a significant difference between the two (especially with music listening)?

How do the MP-50 owners like the built-in media player?

I would most likely commit whenever the updated chipset has been released.
Yes, I've owned and done extensive testing with the AVM60, MRX720 and MRX1120. In my room, no contest. I greatly preferred the MP-50 in both sighted and blind testing.

I use the built in media player (Airplay) to stream music.

About 70/30 for music to movies right now.
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Are folks still having "weak" bass issues (roll-off hard below 20hz), or has this been resolved (or worked around)?
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I'm contemplating replacing my Anthem AVM60 with the MP-50. I'd be looking to accomplish improved HT (5.1.4) enjoyment with Room Perfect, but mostly for the potential improvement in 2.1 channel music listening as I'm finding that I am doing more of that recently. Alternatively, I could get a 2-Channel Pre-Pro with HT bypass and keep the AVM60.Ω

Can anyone share their experience with a similar move (AVM60 to MP-50)? Was/is there a significant difference between the two (especially with music listening)?
For 5.1.4 and 2.1 I would have two SSPs in mind. The MP-50 and the Theta Casablanca IVa.

If you can explain your 2.1 setup that may help suggest which REQ (Room Perfect vs Dirac) would be a better fit.
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Are folks still having "weak" bass issues (roll-off hard below 20hz), or has this been resolved (or worked around)?
Lyngdorf is issuing a major(?) RoomPerfect update this month to address the issue.

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Happy with the MP50, but I am considering to add a Mytek Manhattan II DAC/pre to my system (for 2ch sources). This is one of very few DAC+preamps that has an "analog XLR passthrough" so that I easily can combine it with the MP50 for the front L+R speakers. The MP50 is extremely good on movies and very good on 2ch music, but not quite as good on 2ch as I've heard or even obtained with my old stereo DAC. So that's why I am considering this.. So yes there is some itching, not necessarily to replace it but to expand a bit!
EDIT: only problem with this is that I would like to include my subs for 2ch as well.... So as an alternative option I have a *small* itch to replace the MP50 for a Trinnov with all that flexibility, tweaking options and phase adjustment/alignment.. but then I would have to check whether it is better than the MP50 for 2ch, and that is not obvious. If not, Mytek + MP50 is probably the better upgrade;-)
If the Mytek outputs from both the XLR and RCA analog outputs at the same time, you can put a switch like this https://www.bswusa.com/Switchers-and...BNC-P8642.aspx between the MP50 and Mytek.

One set of outputs will go to your amps and the other thru the switch for your subs. Using the 12V triggers from the MP50 to control it, the SS2.1 will switch between your Mytek for 2-channel and then the MP50 for HT. You'll need one for each channel.

I did this with my system - I use a Linn Klimax DS w/ a VTL TL7.5 III preamp for music and a Classe SSP-800 for HT (might replace it with MP50, we'll see...). This solution would be much cheaper than the Trinnov (which I'm trying very hard not to even consider...) ;-)

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For 5.1.4 and 2.1 I would have two SSPs in mind. The MP-50 and the Theta Casablanca IVa.

If you can explain your 2.1 setup that may help suggest which REQ (Room Perfect vs Dirac) would be a better fit.
Thanks Marc. My HT set up is the Anthem AVM60, ATI amps, JTR 228HTRs (LCR), Slanted 8s (surrounds and Atmos) and a Cap 1400. For 2.1 music, I run the JTR 228HTRs for L&R and a Cap 1400 for sub. I'm not sure if I have answered your question. If not please elaborate. Thanks.
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Edit: I plan to replace my 228s with 212RTs and add pair of Cap 2400s when we get into a larger house.

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Where did you read that they are doing an update (this month) to improve the bass below 20Hz?
I would love to read what they are actually doing to RP to improve that...

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Where did you read that they are doing an update (this month) to improve the bass below 20Hz?
I would love to read what they are actually doing to RP to improve that...
Several posters on avforums have gotten direct replies from from Lyngdorf stating that RP will be updated to address it.

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Thats very interesting to know!

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Good to know, I'll keep an eye on this thread to see if they do. That and the 18gb cards would make this more tempting. Though, I'm really considering just pulling the trigger on the Anthem AVM 60 to leverage the 20% off sale ending at the end of June. But, if this is a lot better, ugh! Then there's the next tier in Storm Audio or Trinnov, but I'm unsure how high I want to allow the budget to creep.
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If the Mytek outputs from both the XLR and RCA analog outputs at the same time, you can put a switch like this https://www.bswusa.com/Switchers-and...BNC-P8642.aspx between the MP50 and Mytek.

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Ahh, clever! So then I assume you activate the low pass XO in the subs and divide low? I can have 3 different profiles in my subs and control it from an app..

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Would you owners of the MP-50 that have historically upgraded their pre-amps often say the MP-50 will stop the itch to upgrade for a longer ownership cycle? I have historically upgraded every two years or so and would love to find a pre-amp that would be the cornerstone of my system for 5 years or more. The upcoming HDMI boards should give me enough future proofing if the MP-50 is what I think it is sonically the investment in this unit should stop the cycle for a good bit..




I think it will be a lot easier to find a 5-10 year pair of speakers than a pre-pro. Electronics technology changes often enough 2-3 years seems to be when that upgrade itch will set in (unless you avoid AVS altogether....)

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Ahh, clever! So then I assume you activate the low pass XO in the subs and divide low? I can have 3 different profiles in my subs and control it from an app..
you can do it that way or do what I did - put an analog parametric EQ in the loop
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