Originally Posted by madhuski
fair enough: here’s a cut and paste of what I sent Chris. Pardon the typos:
- the Lyngdorf sounded very similar to the Anthem. I couldnt notice much differrence between RP and ARC. The lyngdorf though, was not very WAF friendly. I couldnt get reliable function with a universal remote (I know some use the harmony elite but that remote did not fly with the family, coming from a URC remote). Big caveat is I only had a 5.1.4 at the time. If you have more speakers to matrix sound, you oculd get more out of it.
This is the MP-50 thread, but have you tried the iPad based Harmony app? You still have to set up macros and steps, but the URC requires custom programming AFAIK
for every change, usually from dealers. I can’t speak to your family, but my own was perfectly fine with a Harmony back in my Denon 4311 days.
- 8805. We've talked about this one before. A very solid eprformer...but with audysset. the app helps, but its still not Dirac
Madhu, I’ll grant you that convenience and ease of use are advantages for the 8805 in a family environment. But Audyssey XT32 is a minimum phase algorithm, their app is crude (1/3 octave smoothing based changes), and DEQ is a solution to reduced bass below reference thanks to Audyssey’s EQ philosophy that results in other issues (boosted surround). Modern SOTA room EQ methods, namely Dirac, Room Perfect, and Trinnov, are mixed phase, which improves sound cohesion by operating in a time as well as frequency domain.
If you indeed are reverting to an 8805 rather than your MP-50 in your HT-oriented room, at least go with a MiniDSP solution with Dirac for your mains and sub(s). It won’t be Trinnov
but you won’t be taking quite a potential step backwards in your immersion experience. And as you probably know, many of the more active Audyssey posters from the past decade have moved up to Dirac. There’s also a quite active 88A thread here on AVS, so you can get (free) support.
- trnnov. The optimizer sounds fantastic. It has great HDMi switching and codec loading. Its very very close to marantz - the only reason Id rank the marantz ahead in stability is that the trinnov is a computer so has a long startup time (55 seconds), and you need to make sure you turn it off every 24h to prevent needing to power cycle it.
It’s a best practice to cycle, but it’s more conceptual to do a quick cycle off/on to be proactive for clearing logs. I do it the old fashioned way
with my hands, but it can be automated on some control systems. IMO a small price to pay for a software rather than DSP-based platform.
But being PC based, its very future proof - trinnov just downloads updartes/codecs to o you. The negatives are 1) control scheme. You can use a logitech harmony elite, other options are IP control which just ads to the cost.
VNC or Mocha VNC is free on a PC or iDevice, and Trinnov has a very new Mac app for iOS PCs that’s supposed to be simple to use. I haven’t seen it myself though.
2) to get the most out of it, you really need to spemnd some time elarning about all it can do, or hire a profressional calibrater (adam pelz is favored in the altitude thread)
Yes, but with the Wizard on the A16, you can at least have a working start. You can reach out to Trinnov US support, AVSers via PM or better yet, pay for a few hours of time from a calibrator that can access your Altitude over VNC/IP. Curt Hoyt, a longtime partner in Trinnov and the original US contact for many AVSers before the Altitude was introduced, can work with you that way as well as on-site.
Adam has considerable skills and is the best known calibrator on AVS for Trinnov owners today thanks to his relatively prolific posting and top drawer knowledge (he’s a lead HAA instructor). But hiring him is an investment, and AFAIK
is only done for in-home calibration. That part is your call, of course, but not the only option beyond being on your own.
At any rate, I’ll leave it there, since this is veering way OT.
and of course 3) cost.
All is relative. Price/value is personal.
For the record, if you had to choose between the MP-50 and 8805, I personally would prioritize the SQ and stick with the Lyngdorf. But as always YMMV.