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post #2521 of 2928 Old 03-05-2019, 01:51 PM
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Unfortunately you are hoping for too much from this AVR. Responding to your points (which was not a simple question):


1. This is possible, as you reported.
2. Generally not possible unless you make a secondary connection from input device via audio cables, and then use those as the source for Zone 2
3. Would be nice but not possible
Thanks for the help. I had basically figured all that out, but it contradicts the literature so I wanted to be sure I wasn't doing something wrong. I guess I can get a Chromecast Audio (discontinued but I have a couple of them) and connect it to CD/SACD and send that to zone 2. Ugh.
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I'm making an Android app (paid) to control some of the basic functions of the STR-DN1080.
What will be the main benefit of your app over the 2 official ones (Music Center and Video & TV SideView : Remote) that do the same thing?
Just my curiosity.
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I'm making an Android app (paid) to control some of the basic functions of the STR-DN1080.
What will be the main benefit of your app over the 2 official ones (Music Center and Video & TV SideView : Remote) that do the same thing?
Just my curiosity.
Hi. I've been using the app for a while for my own personal use as I find it more convenient for my purposes. It's nowhere as feature rich as Music Center (Song Pal), and doesn't intend to replace it. But it's lightweight, loads fast and has the buttons where I want them. So it's basically a simple remote control app. So changing inputs, sound fields, volume, etc, etc, is quick, and I don't often need to use the IR remote unless I need access to other menus, etc.

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But it's lightweight, loads fast and has the buttons where I want them. So it's basically a simple remote control app. So changing inputs, sound fields, volume, etc, etc, is quick, and I don't often need to use the IR remote unless I need access to other menus, etc.
I see. Sounds interesting. Too bad, I am iOS user, so unable to help you with testing. Do you plan on porting it to iOS sometime?
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But it's lightweight, loads fast and has the buttons where I want them. So it's basically a simple remote control app. So changing inputs, sound fields, volume, etc, etc, is quick, and I don't often need to use the IR remote unless I need access to other menus, etc.
I see. Sounds interesting. Too bad, I am iOS user, so unable to help you with testing. Do you plan on porting it to iOS sometime?
Not at present unfortunately, sorry.

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Phantom Speakers

Hi all...I have been using this receiver for a while...it replaced an Onkyo (too much hdmi issues) and it works like a charm. Quick question though....I have activated the Phantom Speakers feature but really can't discern any major changes to sound......will there be any major sound changes? My setup is 5.1.1 with two high front facing speakers for Atmos.
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Hi all...I have been using this receiver for a while...it replaced an Onkyo (too much hdmi issues) and it works like a charm. Quick question though....I have activated the Phantom Speakers feature but really can't discern any major changes to sound......will there be any major sound changes? My setup is 5.1.1 with two high front facing speakers for Atmos.
with two atmos you then got the 5.1.2 setup. .1 for sub, .2 for atmos.

You need to play a 7.1 movie, which has rear sound track to be able to see if there is a difference or not.
You could use a 5.1, but the sound from rear will be what the dolby effect thinks it should be.

I have phantom speakers set up. Before I could feel distinctly that sound was coming from a speaker. Sometimes it distracted me.
After, I feel like its more smeared around the whole rear.

You probably have to try it out, see if you like or can tell the difference.



Ive played some movies that

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You need to play a 7.1 movie, which has rear sound track to be able to see if there is a difference or not.
You could use a 5.1, but the sound from rear will be what the dolby effect thinks it should be.

I have phantom speakers set up. Before I could feel distinctly that sound was coming from a speaker. Sometimes it distracted me.
After, I feel like its more smeared around the whole rear.

You probably have to try it out, see if you like or can tell the difference.
I have them also set to mode B. I've tried to play 7.1 speaker test tracks, both in Dolby and DTS formats.
I can clearly hear, that the side surround channels are played from both front- and rear surround speakers, so the sound virtually emanates from your side.
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So this AVR has been out a reasonably long period of time now. So what are y'all's verdicts on the quality of upmixing 5.1 to Atmos/DTS:X using Dolby Surround/Neural:X?

Thoughts on Audio Enhancer (DSEE HX) upscaling (decent bitrate) compressed mp3/m4a/ogg audio to HD-quality audio?

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But if I want to take full advantage of the AVR, in particular Dolby Atmos, Xbox to AVR to TV via HDMI cables is what I'll need to do, right? And I'll probably have to make the Xbox One my streaming device for Netflix and Amazon if I want Dolby Atmos as well.
Yes, as the TV only sends 5.1 through ARC to the AVR without eARC. So any source you want 7.1 or Atmos needs to be connected to the AVR, not the TV. In fact some TV's now only pass 2.1 to the AVR from connected components, as they didn't pay for the Dolby license, though they still pass 5.1 from onboard apps and OTA. My LG is one.
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I'm looking to replace my Sony STR-850, which I purchased about four years ago. The 1080 certainly seems intriguing to me and a viable option, since I've been pretty happy with the 850. My concern is that this product is already about two years old, so I'm thinking maybe I should wait for its replacement. Anyone know if a replacement is planned?
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I'm looking to replace my Sony STR-850, which I purchased about four years ago. The 1080 certainly seems intriguing to me and a viable option, since I've been pretty happy with the 850. My concern is that this product is already about two years old, so I'm thinking maybe I should wait for its replacement. Anyone know if a replacement is planned?
RaoulDuke86,

Do not over-think it. I got this receiver around Black Friday at a ridiculous price of $399. I simplified a high end setup, replacing my Rotel separate amp and pre/pro. I have this receiver matched to B&W FPM on-wall speakers. So far, so good. I think one of the reasons that Sony has not announced a new home theater receiver for 2019 is that they know how good this receiver is. Setup was pretty simple. For me, the auto speaker calibration worked well (others have said otherwise and set up their speaker settings manually). User interface is simple, albeit a tad slow to respond. But the sound is great for movies and music. I don't want to keep blabbering on, but IMO, for approx. $400, there isn't another HT receiver that can touch its overall performance and sound. Take the plunge. You won't be disappointed.
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I love this receiver, and it’s still highly rated #1 on multiple sites


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I picked this one up after my 10+ year old Sony receiver gave the PROTECTOR error and I took it as a sign that I needed to get an ATMOS receiver. I found a good deal on an open box model for a bit less than the Black Friday price. Never had problems with BB open box items in over 15 years of open box purchases from them.

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Thanks for the responses. I'll probably pull the trigger on this one.
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There are two aspects that you be aware of:
1. The UI is very slow. This is really only an issue when you are initially setting it up. After that it is a non-issue
2. When connected with some TV's and devices it has an annoying habit of switching that the selected source to the Home screen when the system is turned on. You can get around it by selecting the source on the remote or use a universal smart remote to add an extra input selection.
I enjoy the sound produced.
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Angry Poor Audio from USB in PureDirect mode

Has anyone else had this issue where audio in Pure Direct mode sounds awesome with all inputs EXCEPT USB. Loss of treble detail and overall mushiness. Regardless of sample rate (pure DSD or Hi rate PCM - same problem.

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Has anyone else had this issue where audio in Pure Direct mode sounds awesome with all inputs EXCEPT USB. Loss of treble detail and overall mushiness. Regardless of sample rate (pure DSD or Hi rate PCM - same problem.
Does network (DLNA) sound the same as other inputs or the same as USB?
I will give it a try later today, I hope.

UPDATE: did test listening DLNA and USB back to back in pure direct mode.
I really do not hear any difference. Did even an empirical measurement with my iPhone (using the MicW i437L measeurement mic at 1m in front of speaker) and you can see the screenshots taken at 1’00” into Avalon by Roxy Music (DSD64, stereo. Also tried PCM 192/24, no different for my ears).
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Hi priitv8,

I understand your measurements (wish I had the same equipment). But I think your system setup is different than mine. I don’t use DLNA (assuming HDMI from UBP-X800) unless it’s for 2 channel or 5.1 SACD’s audio only listening (sadly, the STR-DN1080 does not do true DSD playback via HDMI - 176kHz/24Bit only - unless it’s the front panel USB which does true DSD 2.0 or 5.1). My computer is run in conjunction with a cheap ass Behringer DAC who’s Analog output is fed to the VIDEO 1 input. I am upgrading the DAC but it still sounds WAY better than the DSD conversion being done inside this receiver.

Reviews I’ve read focus more on functionality and not some much on audio performance and true measurements.

If there is a way you could take the same track you used for your measurements and ensure that “Native DSD” and “Pure Direct” is enabled and that you are using the front panel USB vs any DAC with an analog output fed to any of the available analog inputs.

Your help is much appreciated my friend
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Thanks for the responses. I'll probably pull the trigger on this one.
I came from the very similar STR-DN1050. Same UI on the 1080 as your 850. Sound seems the same to me; I haven't heard the 850 so can't say if you'll notice a difference but the 10x0 series supposedly has some ES class components, beefier capacitors, etc. I upgraded because I wanted the 4K HDCP 2.2 support, and I too got it on sale $399. Atmos was nice-to-have but after trying it out I went back to 7.1 - Atmos wasn't worth losing the rears, and the phantom rears on the 1080 didn't do it for me. I figure I'll eventually upgrade to a 9 or 11 channel AVR to do Atmos.

Not sure if you care or even if the 850 has it, but my 1050 had A-D converters so I could hook up non-HDMI analog components like a Wii to the AVR and pass the signal on to the TV over HDMI. The 1080 can no longer do that. Even though it has the composite/component connections, they only work if you connect your TV via component as well. Sure you can buy a converter but that's one more thing to buy.

Sony normally announces their new lineups at CES, Jan/Feb time frame. Here it is almost April, and no 1080 replacement, so you should be pretty safe in assuming there won't be one this year. It is a really nice AVR in this price range, and not as deep as other brands' AVR's if space is a factor for you.

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If there is a way you could take the same track you used for your measurements and ensure that “Native DSD” and “Pure Direct” is enabled and that you are using the front panel USB vs any DAC with an analog output fed to any of the available analog inputs.
The best I can do, is play SACD via HDMI from my UBP-X700.
I do not have any external DAC-s in house, I try to keep it simple
I would've been very surprised, if LAN playback would sound much different from USB.
It is the same sequence of bytes that is fed to the DAC inside AVR. They just arrive over different channels.
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(sadly, the STR-DN1080 does not do true DSD playback via HDMI - 176kHz/24Bit only - unless it’s the front panel USB which does true DSD 2.0 or 5.1)
Where does this information come from?
I have totally moved to listening from my server's HDD, using Serviio DLNA server. That is the only one, that did play back DSF files out of the box (everything between 2.0 and 5.1), without any additional setup required. Did not have such luck with any other I tried, including Plex and JRiver.

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UBP-X800 is a PoS for Audio Playback but the UBP-X1000ES is Awesome

Well, I figure out the problem. the -x800 DOES NOT pass 5.1 DSD over HDMI but the -x1000ES DOES !!

Problem two :

The Direct mode over HDMI inputs sucks on the STR-DN1080 (and yet it only decodes true DSD 5.1 SACD disc with the X1000ES but not with the -X800). I have the HDMI out of the -X1000ES connected to VIDEO 2 and the Analog Stereo Out of the -X1000ES connected to VIDEO 1. Huge difference in sound. Sony has messed up something in the firmware/software that's causing this issue. No external DACS to cloud things up (well...technically the UBOX1000ES has an onboard two channel DAC for the two RCA Left & Right Outputs). After doing some digging, I can confirm that Sony is doing DSD into the DAC with two channel analog outs. There is no DoP (DSD over PCM) conversion. Everything stays "Native DSD". I confirmed both SACD discs and .dff files using the -X1000ES's front panel USB input.

All boxes have been updated as well.
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Well, I figure out the problem. the -x800 DOES NOT pass 5.1 DSD over HDMI but the -x1000ES DOES !!

Problem two :

The Direct mode over HDMI inputs sucks on the STR-DN1080 (and yet it only decodes true DSD 5.1 SACD disc with the X1000ES but not with the -X800). I have the HDMI out of the -X1000ES connected to VIDEO 2 and the Analog Stereo Out of the -X1000ES connected to VIDEO 1. Huge difference in sound. Sony has messed up something in the firmware/software that's causing this issue. No external DACS to cloud things up (well...technically the UBOX1000ES has an onboard two channel DAC for the two RCA Left & Right Outputs). After doing some digging, I can confirm that Sony is doing DSD into the DAC with two channel analog outs. There is no DoP (DSD over PCM) conversion. Everything stays "Native DSD". I confirmed both SACD discs and .dff files using the -X1000ES's front panel USB input.

All boxes have been updated as well.
HAve you read this in the online manual:

'The BD/DVD and SA-CD/CD inputs have better sound quality. When you need a higher sound quality, connect your device to these jacks and select them as the input.'

Maybe that will help.
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Well, I figure out the problem. the -x800 DOES NOT pass 5.1 DSD over HDMI but the -x1000ES DOES !!

Problem two :

The Direct mode over HDMI inputs sucks on the STR-DN1080 (and yet it only decodes true DSD 5.1 SACD disc with the X1000ES but not with the -X800). I have the HDMI out of the -X1000ES connected to VIDEO 2 and the Analog Stereo Out of the -X1000ES connected to VIDEO 1. Huge difference in sound. Sony has messed up something in the firmware/software that's causing this issue. No external DACS to cloud things up (well...technically the UBOX1000ES has an onboard two channel DAC for the two RCA Left & Right Outputs). After doing some digging, I can confirm that Sony is doing DSD into the DAC with two channel analog outs. There is no DoP (DSD over PCM) conversion. Everything stays "Native DSD". I confirmed both SACD discs and .dff files using the -X1000ES's front panel USB input.

All boxes have been updated as well.
I would love to hear some more facts about your findings!
E.g. how did you find out that "the STR-DN1080 does not do true DSD playback via HDMI - 176kHz/24Bit only"??
How do you see what is passed over HDMI ("x800 DOES NOT pass 5.1 DSD over HDMI but the -x1000ES DOES")??
Can you share where did you find information how DN1080 processes DSD signal ("After doing some digging, I can confirm that Sony is doing DSD into the DAC with two channel analog outs.")??

PS We all know, that you will see not much about incoming signal information on the DN1080 itself, so I wonder how do you access that information?

I appreciate your detailed insights, now I want to get to know more about the AVR I own. Hence my questions.

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'The BD/DVD and SA-CD/CD inputs have better sound quality. When you need a higher sound quality, connect your device to these jacks and select them as the input.'
I also did read this in the manual, but that statement is difficult to comprehend (I think it was even asked here in forum by someone). DN1080 schematics are impossible to come by, but on the DN1060 there is absolutely nothing to be seen in electronics that would support that statement.
They are only muxed via HDMI SWITCH IC3821 (TMDS261BPAGR) before being sent into single input R1 of the HDMI TRANSCEIVER IC3700 (SII9575CTUC). The rest of the HDMI inputs are connected to other inputs of IC3700 directly. As far as I can tell, nothing suggests that R1 of SII9575CTUC is any different from the rest.
So I really am puzzled by that statement. PS Why I am looking at the DN1060 schematics in the first place? Because DN1060 manual makes exact same statement: https://helpguide.sony.net/ha/strdn1...000638320.html

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I loved this receiver for the past 2 yrs - got it at the BF price...but it recently has become a HUGE ass-pain. DAC never worked on it...but now, it insists EVERYTHING is 'Multi ST' for a sound field...and the HOME menu won't come up...ever... It has already been back to United Radio for repair. All they did was throw in a 'new' calibration mic and call it a day - even though I told them I had already tried 4 different Sony calibration mics that are the exact same as the one they gave me. A manager was supposed to call....never did...so I'm going to argue with Sony again to get a new system to replace it.


I've had the 1010 and still have the 1060...never had a single issue with either of them. Ugh...I hate having to fight for everything.
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Is the STR-DN1080 capable of auto-calibrating a 3.2.2 speaker configuration? If not, can the 5.2.2 be set up for rear surrounds instead of side surrounds?
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it insists EVERYTHING is 'Multi ST' for a sound field...
Could it be that you’ve meanwhile connected it to a Bravia Androit TV? Took me a while to figure that out.
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There is no DoP (DSD over PCM) conversion.
Your statements intrigued me into some more testing. I have the most basic HDMI signal analyzer there is, but it says I have PCM being transmitted. AVR says it is receiving DSD, not PCM. So makes me wonder am I still witnessing a DoP signal?
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Could it be that you’ve meanwhile connected it to a Bravia Androit TV? Took me a while to figure that out.

Well, yes...it's connected to an XBR65x850C Sony TV, but it was previously...and I never had these issues...what difference would that make? Are you thinking of Bravia-Sync? None of those settings changed, either....


I just got off the phone with Sony 2nd tier support...they are escalating to National Customer Satisfaction team....this CSR thinks I have a case for replacement - since their repair people basically did *nothing*.
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Is the STR-DN1080 capable of auto-calibrating a 3.2.2 speaker configuration? If not, can the 5.2.2 be set up for rear surrounds instead of side surrounds?
Don’t know about 3.x but I have a 5.2.2 setup with rear surrounds and phantom sides.
BTW this receiver does not support x.2.x configuration in its purest sense. You can connect 2 subs but they are simply connected in parallel. There are no 2 separate LFE paths inside this AVR.
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