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Scott Wilkinson 03-14-2017 05:09 PM

Owner's thread for the Sony STR-DN1080 AVR
 
Sony introduced the STR-DN1080 AVR with immersive-audio capabilities at CES. Today, the company has announced its pricing and availability.

https://www.avsforum.com/sony-announc...tr-dn1080-avr/

Kini62 03-14-2017 05:44 PM

This AVR just might make me finally replace my HK.

Looking forward to a few initial impressions or reviews.

helvetica bold 03-14-2017 05:53 PM

Will the DN1080 pass Dolby Vision? I would hope so since Sony's top of the line TVs support DV.

Jerry Bruckheimer Fan 03-14-2017 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 51509185)
Will the DN1080 pass Dolby Vision? I would hope so since Sony's top of the line TVs support DV.

I'm pretty sure if it's HDMI 2.0 or 2.0a, it'll definitely pass through Dolby Vision metadata.

Fizban19 03-14-2017 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kini62 (Post 51508921)
This AVR just might make me finally replace my HK.

Looking forward to a few initial impressions or reviews.

I always liked the look of HK receivers....they have a different look from all the others....I am amazed that in this day and age, HK still doesn't have a receiver that passes a 4K signal......I just checked their website....such a shame as I too am looking for a new receiver.

fatuglyguy 03-14-2017 08:02 PM

Nice! Looks like the ES equivalent, the ZA810ES, is coming out soon too.

http://www.sonypremiumhome.com/recei...TR-ZA810ES.php

AsahiToro 03-14-2017 08:23 PM

It looks nice but no pre outs?

Ulisescm 03-14-2017 09:37 PM

The deal breaker for me is the inability to do 7.2.2, just 5.2.2

mtbdudex 03-15-2017 04:20 AM

I find it kinda ironic that a 4k AVR that has HDMI 2.0a and HDCP 2.2 has yesteryear's 1080 in it's name, "STR-DN1080" , hmmmm.

There are so many other number to choose from, why 1080?
(I'm just having fun with Sony here)

Mattopotamus 03-15-2017 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulisescm (Post 51513137)
The deal breaker for me is the inability to do 7.2.2, just 5.2.2

similarly, I am looking to upgrade my 5.1.2 to 5.1.4. There is a pretty significant price jump going to an AVR that can support that set up.

Can anyone comment on how DCAC compares to Audyssey?

popyang45 03-15-2017 07:07 AM

why to buy Receiver with HDMI standard outdated !

I waiting for HDMI 2.1

https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-1-w...-need-to-know/

jdsmoothie 03-15-2017 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popyang45 (Post 51518457)
why to buy Receiver with HDMI standard outdated !

I waiting for HDMI 2.1

https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-1-w...-need-to-know/

You'll be waiting until 2018 ... and then in 2020 .. the standard will again change to HDMI 3.0. ;)

jdsmoothie 03-15-2017 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulisescm (Post 51513137)
The deal breaker for me is the inability to do 7.2.2, just 5.2.2

Although it cannot do actual "physical" 7.2.2, as noted in the release, it can do "phantom" rear surrounds for simulated 7.2.2. :)

Mattopotamus 03-15-2017 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popyang45 (Post 51518457)
why to buy Receiver with HDMI standard outdated !

I waiting for HDMI 2.1

https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-1-w...-need-to-know/

That article says 2018. You will be waiting forever if you are wiling to wait a year b.c something new will come in 2019, 2020, etc.

What content are you going to be watching?
-Can carry resolutions up to 10K, frame rates up to 120fps.

Mattopotamus 03-15-2017 07:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie (Post 51518913)
Although it cannot do actual "physical" 7.2.2, as noted in the release, it can do "phantom" rear surrounds for simulated 7.2.2. :)

That is the most interesting thing about the AVR to me, and could make an upgrade worth it. I guess I will need to hear how it performs.

jdsmoothie 03-15-2017 07:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 51509185)
Will the DN1080 pass Dolby Vision? I would hope so since Sony's top of the line TVs support DV.

Not likely as only HDR is referenced which does not imply Dolby Vision. Release for the new Sony 4k BDP indicates it currently cannot pass Dolby Vision and that Sony is waiting to see which way the market goes as to whether it will release a firmware update. The same is likely true for the new DN1080 AVR.

Freddy Ford 03-15-2017 07:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popyang45 (Post 51518457)
why to buy Receiver with HDMI standard outdated !

I waiting for HDMI 2.1

https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-1-w...-need-to-know/

This is from the article you linked. I guess you didn't read it.

A TV bought in 2018 could very well have HDMI 2.1, but even it won't take full advantage of the connection's potential. And a TV bought today will be able to display video to its own full potential using HDMI 2.0. In other words, lack of HDMI 2.1 is no reason to put off buying a new TV.

nebrunner 03-15-2017 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulisescm (Post 51513137)
The deal breaker for me is the inability to do 7.2.2, just 5.2.2



I've currently got a 7.2 setup with an old (venerable?) Onkyo 876. I have resisted upgrading to Atmos but at some point I will probably do it.


I'd like to only add two upfiring modules behind the front screen, they should bounce the sound right to the viewing sweet spot in the front row.


Most everything I have seen is only 5.2.2 and I really don't want to lose the use of my current back surrounds. What receiver(s) should I be looking at? 9.2 that support Atmos? 11.2 that support Atmos?


What I *think* I want is 7.2.2 but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Ulisescm 03-15-2017 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nebrunner (Post 51521201)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulisescm (Post 51513137)
The deal breaker for me is the inability to do 7.2.2, just 5.2.2



I've currently got a 7.2 setup with an old (venerable?) Onkyo 876. I have resisted upgrading to Atmos but at some point I will probably do it.


I'd like to only add two upfiring modules behind the front screen, they should bounce the sound right to the viewing sweet spot in the front row.


Most everything I have seen is only 5.2.2 and I really don't want to lose the use of my current back surrounds. What receiver(s) should I be looking at? 9.2 that support Atmos? 11.2 that support Atmos?


What I *think* I want is 7.2.2 but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Same situation here, I'm eyeing a Marantz, I think we need to splash more cash...

Mattopotamus 03-15-2017 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nebrunner (Post 51521201)
I've currently got a 7.2 setup with an old (venerable?) Onkyo 876. I have resisted upgrading to Atmos but at some point I will probably do it.


I'd like to only add two upfiring modules behind the front screen, they should bounce the sound right to the viewing sweet spot in the front row.


Most everything I have seen is only 5.2.2 and I really don't want to lose the use of my current back surrounds. What receiver(s) should I be looking at? 9.2 that support Atmos? 11.2 that support Atmos?


What I *think* I want is 7.2.2 but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

If you have a 7.2 (7 channel) and want to expand it to 7.2.2 That would be a 9 channel AVR, closer to $1300+ for entry level. If you want 7.2.4 that would be 11 channel and over $2000+ for entry level.

RLBURNSIDE 03-15-2017 01:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popyang45 (Post 51518457)
why to buy Receiver with HDMI standard outdated !

I waiting for HDMI 2.1

https://www.cnet.com/news/hdmi-2-1-w...-need-to-know/

When HDMI 2.1 sources and sinks come out, simple: buy an HDMI 2.1 -> HDMI 2.1 + HDMI 2.0a splitter and use your current HDMI 2.0a receiver for audio only. The audio component doesn't need HDMI 2.1 and never will. HDCP 2.2 however, yes, that's important. HDMI 2.0 supports audio-only paths, it doesn't have to have a video signal spliced in.

People have been doing this for years with HDMI 1.4 3D -> 1.3. Yes it's an additional expense but definitely smarter than waiting two years for a receiver which does nothing to the extra ".1" except forward it to your TV or act like a switch.

However, I believe HDMI 2.1 gear will likely be out by next year. In that case, then yes, it might be smarter to wait than spend 2K in 2017, especially if you already have something decent.

IMO all these Atmos receivers are over-priced and under-featured. Seriously, 5.1.2? 5.1.4 is the bare minimum to deliver a proper 3D sound field using point sources.

Scott Wilkinson 03-15-2017 04:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 51509185)
Will the DN1080 pass Dolby Vision? I would hope so since Sony's top of the line TVs support DV.

I just confirmed with Sony that none of the company's AVRs will pass Dolby Vision. HDMI 2.0a certainly has the bandwidth to do it, but the circuitry must be Dolby Vision-aware, which must be specifically enabled.

helvetica bold 03-15-2017 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scott Wilkinson (Post 51534921)
I just confirmed with Sony that none of the company's AVRs will pass Dolby Vision. HDMI 2.0a certainly has the bandwidth to do it, but the circuitry must be Dolby Vision-aware, which must be specifically enabled.

Wow, even the crazy expensive Sony STR DN5000es won't pass DV? Perhaps a future article can focus on AVRs that do pass DV. It seems like there are very few AVRs that do pass DV which is troubling.

Jerry Bruckheimer Fan 03-16-2017 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattopotamus (Post 51516785)
similarly, I am looking to upgrade my 5.1.2 to 5.1.4. There is a pretty significant price jump going to an AVR that can support that set up.

You can probably get a Marantz pre-pro for about 45% off when next year's new model comes out. When the 7703 came out, it pushed the 7702MKII from $2199 to $1199 with no tax and free S&H. Same with the 7010 AVR when the 7011 came out.

jdsmoothie 03-16-2017 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by helvetica bold (Post 51535401)
Wow, even the crazy expensive Sony STR DN5000es won't pass DV? Perhaps a future article can focus on AVRs that do pass DV. It seems like there are very few AVRs that do pass DV which is troubling.

AFAIK, there are no major brand 2016 or earlier models that can pass DV. Thus far, only D+M has announced it will add DV capability to the 2016 Denon and Marantz models via a firmware update to be released by early 2018. The new 2017 models of most major brands (except Sony apparently) will likely support DV (at least that is the case for the lower level Denon "S" series just announced a few days ago to be released next month). This is not a major issue; however, as there is currently very little (if any) DV content available not to mention currently only capable of being processed by a couple brands of TVs (LG and Vizio) and once it does become more prevalent, and presuming you purchase a 4k TV that can process it, you can pass the 4k DV video directly to the TV with the HD audio going to the AVR.

popyang45 03-16-2017 06:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdsmoothie (Post 51518849)
You'll be waiting until 2018 ... and then in 2020 .. the standard will again change to HDMI 3.0. ;)

inaccurate
HDMI 2.0 standard ****ed built without testing ( was no HDR or 4K )
It was built on a bad theories

actual length of cable to 1 1/2 meter
  HDR perhaps to 1000NITS
10 BIT
( HDR +12 BIT NO IN HDMI 2.0 )

popyang45 03-16-2017 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mattopotamus (Post 51518985)
That article says 2018. You will be waiting forever if you are wiling to wait a year b.c something new will come in 2019, 2020, etc.

What content are you going to be watching?
-Can carry resolutions up to 10K, frame rates up to 120fps.

NO
HDMI 2.0 poor standard / working Poor
If you do not know this, we have a problem

Mattopotamus 03-16-2017 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by popyang45 (Post 51546785)
NO
HDMI 2.0 poor standard / working Poor
If you do not know this, we have a problem

I am having no issues with my 2.0 devices, so I guess I do not have a problem.

popyang45 03-16-2017 06:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy Ford (Post 51519121)
This is from the article you linked. I guess you didn't read it.

A TV bought in 2018 could very well have HDMI 2.1, but even it won't take full advantage of the connection's potential. And a TV bought today will be able to display video to its own full potential using HDMI 2.0. In other words, lack of HDMI 2.1 is no reason to put off buying a new TV.

today with HDMI 2.0 we have only trouble
if you do not know this, we have a problem
Standard built by theory without testing

Nothing works right with HDMI 2.0

popyang45 03-16-2017 08:17 AM

Quote:

When HDMI 2.1 sources and sinks come out, simple: buy an HDMI 2.1 -> HDMI 2.1 + HDMI 2.0a splitter and use your current HDMI 2.0a receiver for audio only. The audio component doesn't need HDMI 2.1 and never will.
Do not agree
AMD put Warnings HDMI 2.0 cable up to 1 1/2 meters in length

the next version of the HDMI standard version 2.1 an improvement for sound
Adaptive frame rate & better audio support

a new “eARC” features is highlighted. This is an extension of ARC – audio return channel – to enable support for object-based audio formats such as Dolby Atmos and DTS-X.
Why split? from Screen/tv via HDMI 2.1 to receiver
End to SPDIF
eARC in HDMI 2.1 supports the most advanced audio formats such as object-based audio, and enables advanced audio signal control capabilities including device auto-detect.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1483572084

HDMI 2.1 highlights: immersive viewing and smooth fast-action detail
to really 12BIT + HDR 4000NITS ( hdmi 2.0 built by theories without testing )
hdmi 2.0 1000NITS 4:2:0 leads to incorrect results with 10bit ( It's not just this cable also chip in the tv)

HDMI 2.1 Specification supports the latest color spaces including BT.2020 with 10, 12, and 16 bits per color
Manufacturers do not tell Why we not have REC 2020 ( not hurt sales )
HDMI 2.0 crappy ( for two years no problem reaching 90% in REC 2020 color on led )
so why we have only P3 and no rec 2020 ?
1. Sell More screens ( and not give all in the same year 80%/90%100% OF p3 )
2. HDMI 2.0 crappy Standard ( Do not forget HDMI 2.0 Cable Built FOR HDMI 1.4 the same cable only with 600 hz that Failed )


Dynamic HDR with HDR 10/ Dolby Vision/dynamic metadata 12BIT in hdmi 2.1 ensures every moment of a video is displayed at its ideal values for depth, detail, brightness, contrast, and wider color gamuts—on a scene-by-scene or even a frame-by-frame basis.
( today with content know HDR 4000nits +10/12BIT+p3/2020 ONLY in HDMI 2.1
HDMI 2.0 Built in 2013 So there was no material to test the HDR or P3 or 2020
The trouble began with graphics cards and found that you can barely get 10.2 GHz bandwidth in 4 K
With HDMI 2.0 ( So they invented HDMI 2.0A AND B / Big bull**** )
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1457513362


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