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That is strange then.
Are we certain that both Direct and Pure Direct cancel Bass Management?

I'm fairly certain Direct only disables Audyssey while Pure Direct only outputs from the mains... Or am I wrong?

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Similar to the issue I had with Blade Runner 2049, which I had to run at near full volume, and all the way up at times. I will say that it did sound good and with great bass most of the time, like when it wasn't having those subdued volume scenes. For me, 2049 was a rental from iTunes.

I'm hoping that JD will have an answer for this. Meanwhile, I'm gonna call Apple Care to see what they might know.
I think it was the movie (The Dark Knight), I'm watching an HDR movie (Kong: Skull Island) now and I don't have that problem.

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I'm no fan of atmos modules that use reflection via with the sealing to get the sound to the listening position. I rather have cheaper speakers mounted on the wall/sealing.

As for your current bookshelfs they are similar to my Jamo S622's. since they have smaller drivers they need to cross over at higher frequency's (90-100Hz)
Bigger bookshelf's can do more bass (crossover at 60Hz) and play louder if needed.

i have not tested a lot of atmos content yet. so far i do not get the feeling that the Jamo's are insufficient for the height effect's. But i will have to do some more testing. Maybe i might upgrade them to SVS Prime bookshelf's but they might be to heavy for the current mounts and they are way bigger.

So far the Height effect's are not as detailed as music / speech so in my opinion it's less important to use really expensive speakers for the height channels. The rear surround speakers are more important. And in my opinion for movie's the center speaker is the most important and after that the front speakers.
hi there. I'm testing a pair of ELAC as dolby surrounds now and they sound ok...I can't say that they sound any better than the bookshelf speakers I had before...hmm..
maybe I will mount the bookshelf speakers properly on high on the black wall and use them as rear height speakers...the ELAC are fine for now and out of the way but you are right..the centre speaker is hugely important and the sub to get some real feeling. I think i will just enjoy what I got so far-I tried the audyssey app withe denon AVR-x4400 and I like the way my modest Home Theatre sounds and looks.
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No video from two brand new units would most likely point towards either a setting issue or an HDMI cable issue rather than two defective units. Was the source 1080p or 4k? If 4k, then were you using "Premium" certified 4k/18gpbs HDMI cables? Did you try changing the <4k Signal Format> setting to "Enhanced"?

tried multiple cables/inputs/outputs/settings before spending quite a long time on the ph with tier 1&2 support(all very frustrating). worked fine with the old Marantz and the brand new Yamaha.
very unusual I know but that is how I roll
the only thing in the whole setup that was '4k' rated was the receiver everything else 1080. I did go out and buy a '4k' cable because I really didn't want to send it back a 2nd time. nada. not that it should have mattered in this case.
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Thanks for the feedback. Any idea why the HDMI adapter solved the problem? I just may try that. I was a little suspicious of my TV (Sony X900E), but I tried using the Apple TV with the TV unhooked, and it still didn’t work.


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When I first had this problem I searched the internet and found a lot of people reporting similar problems which appeared to point to isolating pin 13 on the offending device's HDMI connection as a solution.
It was simply a matter removing the devices to HDMI inputs (Dish satellite box, Blu-ray player, Tivo Roamio OTA unit, etc) on the AVR one at a time to determine which was the offending device. In one case it was the Roku and in the other case it was the Andoid unit.
Installed referenced adapter and the problems disappeared.
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Are we certain that both Direct and Pure Direct cancel Bass Management?

I'm fairly certain Direct only disables Audyssey while Pure Direct only outputs from the mains... Or am I wrong?
1. Yup .. both disable Audyssey and bass management.
2. Yup, you're wrong.
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Dear All,

I am having issues with my Denon X4400h.

I have the Receiver connected to Samsung F8500 via HDMI 3 (ARC). All Anynet options on TV are off since I use the Harmony 650.

The receiver keeps on turning back on after I press off on my Harmony 650 to turn off all devices.

If I click on Help on my Harmony 650 it goes through the options to turn of the receiver again and it works but does anyone have any ideas on why
I'd reprogram your Harmony 650 again from scratch. Also, ensure HDMI Control on the AVR is OFF.
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I watched The Dark Knight, and in some scenes I could barelyhear the conversations. Maybe it was theway it was filmed. These are mysettings:
FL -6.5
FR -7.5
C -8
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Should I bump up the center speaker?
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Similar to the issue I had with Blade Runner 2049, which I had to run at near full volume, and all the way up at times. I will say that it did sound good and with great bass most of the time, like when it wasn't having those subdued volume scenes. For me, 2049 was a rental from iTunes.

I'm hoping that JD will have an answer for this. Meanwhile, I'm gonna call Apple Care to see what they might know.
As Artie indicated .. most likely a source movie issue.

However, you can always use the OPTION - CHANNEL LEVEL ADJUST to raise the Center speaker volume level on the fly.
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Do I need certified HDMI cables for my Denon to work properly on a 1080p tv
I was going to wait until I picked up a 4k tv to upgrade my hdmi cables


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Denon S730H into LG 65C7P HDMI 2, ATV4K into Denon HDMI 3. 730 setup as 3.1, R&L front, center, and SW speakers. So, watching Blade Runner 2049, done in Dolby Atmos, what should my Denon display be showing? I know that I don't get Atmos as setup, but I'm not sure what I should be getting. During the movie I experienced subdued volume in parts of the movie, at some points the volume was turned all the way up. When I paused the movie the volume from the ATV4K nearly blew the roof off. Perhaps I should have altered the audio setting? OTOH, since there's no OSD with 4K content, I'm at a loss WRT just what my options are with the 730.
1. If the movie is done in Atmos, that means you should be getting either a DD+ or Dolby True HD audio track that is down mixed to your 3.1 setup. If the source is set to "bitstream" with Secondary Audio/Mix set to OFF, the front panel display would show either "DD+" or "Dolby TrueHD."
2. When the movie volume fluctuates so drastically as you describe, you may want to consider using Audyssey Dynamic Volume at "Medium."
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I didn't find an answer in my search and the 4400 manual wasn't clear. I currently have my Roku stick connected via HDMI on the TV, with audio optical out to the Marantz receiver. The TV supports ARC while the older Marantz does not. In order to have audio when I watch through the Roku, I have to go into my receiver input setup to change the TV audio function mode. Is there a much simpler way to do this with the 4400, IOW, where the audio and video are combined into one?
If you want the audio + video "combined into one" then the Roku stick must be connected to the AVR, otherwise, when a source is connected to the TV, the video doesn't travel back to the AVR.
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These new receivers don't come with AC out which I've used to turn on my backlight when the AVR turns on. Is there a power adapter on the market that would plug one end into the trigger and the other would have a female AC out to plug my backlight into? So far, my searches have not turned up such a device.

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1. Yup .. both disable Audyssey and bass management.

2. Yup, you're wrong.


I'll check again and report back.


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1. Yup .. both disable Audyssey and bass management.
2. Yup, you're wrong.
Am I getting deja vu, or was this exact same question already asked and answered only the other day?! Does everyone just ignore the whole thread and post questions at the end all the time?

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I'll check again and report back.
One more time. Here is a full, detailed, list of all of the differences between "Direct" and "Pure Direct" modes:
  1. Pure Direct turns off the front display panel and analogue video circuit.
  2. The End.

HTH
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I watched The Dark Knight, and in some scenes I could barelyhear the conversations. Maybe it was theway it was filmed. These are mysettings:
FL -6.5
FR -7.5
C -8
SW -8.5
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SR -4.5
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SBR -10.0
Should I bump up the center speaker?
Your levels seem a bit low, did you use an spl meter to make sure your speakers are at least 75db at refference level using the test tone on your receiver?
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Thanks. So, I could plug the Roku into one of the HDMI inputs (such as media player), or would ARC be the better solution?

These new receivers don't come with AC outs which I've used to turn on my backlight when the AVR turns on. Is there a power adapter on the market that would plug one end into the trigger and the other would have a female AC out to plug my backlight into? So far, my searches have not turned up such a device.
One rather practical solution is to use a "smart" power strip such as this one. By plugging the AVR into the master outlet you can slave AC power to the backlight (as well as any other auxiliary gear you choose) to the on/off state of the AVR.

There are many such power strips to choose among depending on your budget, desired features, and number and type of devices you need to accommodate.
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Can the Denon x2400h control other devices like a Fire TV?

I have a remote from a 4300 unit and it has the controls built-in but I have a feeling the receiver needs to have this capability as well?

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Yes, of course. We've seen what UPS can do.
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Your levels seem a bit low, did you use an spl meter to make sure your speakers are at least 75db at refference level using the test tone on your receiver?
No, I did not use an spl meter. I did the Audyssey setup at 6 locations. At my age (64) and high frequency hearing loss, I'm not a fussbudget for calibrated speaker settings. My problem was I could not hear/understand some of the conversations in The Dark Knight. I figured out that it was not me, but the way the movie was produced. My solution in the future is boost up the center speaker.

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One rather practical solution is to use a "smart" power strip such as this one. By plugging the AVR into the master outlet you can slave AC power to the backlight (as well as any other auxiliary gear you choose) to the on/off state of the AVR.

There are many such power strips to choose among depending on your budget, desired features, and number and type of devices you need to accommodate.
Thanks for reminding me I have one of those.


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That's the way it comes from Japan so why wouldn't it come that way from Denon?
I’m going to guess they’re palatized before shipping from Japan or wherever their sourced from. So, that’s some good protection.

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No, I did not use an spl meter. I did the Audyssey setup at 6 locations. At my age (64) and high frequency hearing loss, I'm not a fussbudget for calibrated speaker settings. My problem was I could not hear/understand some of the conversations in The Dark Knight. I figured out that it was not me, but the way the movie was produced. My solution in the future is boost up the center speaker.
Yes that also helps drastically, trust me im only(35) but I also have a hard time understanding the dialogue with some movies.

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Hi guys, looking for some advice. Just recently upgraded to a OLED so I am looking for a 4k AV with my existing 5.1 set up to replace my Marantz 7009. I also have a Emotiva xp2 that's powering my fronts. I do seldom run my Music Hall turntable for analog listening. Any reason why I should go with the X4400 over the X4300? Thanks in advanced.
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Am I getting deja vu, or was this exact same question already asked and answered only the other day?! Does everyone just ignore the whole thread and post questions at the end all the time?



One more time. Here is a full, detailed, list of all of the differences between "Direct" and "Pure Direct" modes:
  1. Pure Direct turns off the front display panel and analogue video circuit.
  2. The End.

HTH
HAH! Too funny. Thanks for this.

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Hi guys, looking for some advice. Just recently upgraded to a OLED so I am looking for a 4k AV with my existing 5.1 set up to replace my Marantz 7009. I also have a Emotiva xp2 that's powering my fronts. I do seldom run my Music Hall turntable for analog listening. Any reason why I should go with the X4400 over the X4300? Thanks in advanced.
Which model you choose will depend on your feature/input/output requirements and the difference in price paid for each model. You can review features of each model in post 1 of each of the 2016 and 2017 Denon AVR Owner's threads. Also, perhaps better question to ask is why switching to Denon? If you enjoyed the HDAM pre-amps on the SR7009, why not replace it with another Marantz?
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Can the Denon x2400h control other devices like a Fire TV?

I have a remote from a 4300 unit and it has the controls built-in but I have a feeling the receiver needs to have this capability as well?

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No, rather only the X4000 and higher series remotes can control other devices; however, you can use a Harmony remote to control all of your devices.
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These new receivers don't come with AC out which I've used to turn on my backlight when the AVR turns on. Is there a power adapter on the market that would plug one end into the trigger and the other would have a female AC out to plug my backlight into? So far, my searches have not turned up such a device.
I just use a 12VDC relay with a low current coil to switch AC from the Trigger. This is installed in a little project box with a standard outlet and the appropriate cables. In my case, this starts an external power amplifier and cooling fan when the AVR is powered up.
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No, rather only the X4000 and higher series remotes can control other devices; however, you can use a Harmony remote to control all of your devices.
Ok, now how about if I do have one of those remotes?

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Which model you choose will depend on your feature/input/output requirements and the difference in price paid for each model. You can review features of each model in post 1 of each of the 2016 and 2017 Denon AVR Owner's threads. Also, perhaps better question to ask is why switching to Denon? If you enjoyed the HDAM pre-amps on the SR7009, why not replace it with another Marantz?
I did enjoy the Marantz 7009 but it does come down to price point for my next AV. I'm seeing the Denon x4400H hit $899 and the X3400 $550. Marantz 7012 will not get close to that price anytime soon. So that's why I'm deciding between the Denons.

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