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Those look to be expensive... How well do they work? Complicated to set up?
For a single unit in one room, about $1K if one of the walls is an outside wall. I've done three of these in different houses for single room problems. Recommend you stick to Mitsubishi units.
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For a single unit in one room, about $1K if one of the walls is an outside wall. I've done three of these in different houses for single room problems. Recommend you stick to Mitsubishi units.
that’s not bad at all.

i have the mitsu’s. never given me a problem, work as good as new.

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it was the only option for “central air” in our house. brick house built in 1903, old school radiators for heat. ductwork was not an option.

i had them installed about 8-9 years ago. it took 2 guys a day to install the 2 outside units and the 4 inside units.

they work GREAT. not only do they actually air condition the whole house, but i essentially have 4 zones. as you know, pj rooms get hot, and it is nice to be able to be able to crank it up in there.

they were expensive (i think it was $14k for the whole job), but they were worth it. not only are they SO much quieter than the window shakers we had before, but our electrical bill dropped over 60% in the summer.
Very cool, did not even know these existed
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When I plug either one of my MacBook Airs into my Denon using a Mini DisplayPort-to-HDMI cable, I can't get the mac to detect my AVR as a display.

The same computers/cables work alright when I plug them into my TV. I googled this issue a great deal to no avail... Any ideas?

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Very cool, did not even know these existed
yw.

for 1k for a unit installed in a single room (what the other poster noted), it would be a real good theater room addition.

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All of a sudden none of the overlay UI is popping up. No volume, no info, even hitting set up and nothing displays. The HDMI pass through is still working. Denon X3400h... what’s going on?
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All of a sudden none of the overlay UI is popping up. No volume, no info, even hitting set up and nothing displays. The HDMI pass through is still working. Denon X3400h... what’s going on?
Restarted the receiver and it seems to be working correctly again.

Another question, though, BG music and sound effects in shows seem to overpower voices by a LOT. What setting should I play with to fix this? I already enabled the voice eq thing and have it set at + 3 DB, I also went into the audio/Audyssey settings and turned on dynamic volume compression to medium.

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Restarted the receiver and it seems to be working correctly again.

Another question, though, BG music and sound effects in shows seem to overpower voices by a LOT. What setting should I play with to fix this? I already enabled the voice eq thing and have it set at + 3 DB, I also went into the audio/Audyssey settings and turned on dynamic volume compression to medium.
Try setting Dynamic EQ Reference Level Offset to 10dB.
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Restarted the receiver and it seems to be working correctly again.

Another question, though, BG music and sound effects in shows seem to overpower voices by a LOT. What setting should I play with to fix this? I already enabled the voice eq thing and have it set at + 3 DB, I also went into the audio/Audyssey settings and turned on dynamic volume compression to medium.
Try setting Dynamic EQ Reference Level Offset to 10dB.
Seemed to soften everything, including the voice, so the disparity between remains. 😞
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Since the firmware update last week on my 3400H, my HDMI connection has been dropping out (black screen for a couple seconds). I have primarily seen this with my DirecTV receiver. I have an LG C7 OLED tv.

Anyone else having the same issue?

I am having the same thing on my 4400H but on the Xbox X? Not sure what to do to resolve it?
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I am having the same thing on my 4400H but on the Xbox X? Not sure what to do to resolve it?
Refer to post 5 of this thread and do a "soft reset."
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Heos app and Pandora search feature

I am using the Denon X2400 and have a premium subscription to Pandora.

Pandora on the web and the iOS Pandora App allow you to search for songs but I am unable to do so when using Pandora through the Heos app.

Am I missing something or is this a known limitiation?

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jd. just as a data point for you.

i had a bit of time yesterday afternoon so decided to see what would happen if i just used the 3400 alone, rather than feeding the 4520.

hooked it up, ran audyssey. i’m still adjusting to the app versus the pro kit, although i don’t miss those 3 hour audyssey runs.

it would appear to drive my salks just fine. i gave it a good stress test with various material. i had the “golden ear” come listen (her hearing is so much better than mine) for distortion, and her ears didn’t pick up on any. my ears aren’t good enough anymore to pick up on it unless it gets pretty bad.

i like the little eco meter that tells you what you are actually drawing, btw.

right now i’m running with eco mode on, and in normal listening, that thing rarely moves. cranked up to ear blistering levels, it will move to about halfway on occasion.

as always, ymmv. i’m driving 5 speakers and none are any more than 9 feet away, so i’m not trying to reach reference from a long distance (and tbh, i never listen at reference anyway, and doing the stress testing reminded me of why, it is too damn loud). crossed at 80 for now, i’m hoping to have some time to play a bit further today, i’ll likely end up crossing the surrounds higher like i generally do.

just figured i’d toss that out there for you. the salks aren’t necessarily the hardest speakers in the world to drive, but they aren’t “easy” either.

fwiw, this also proved (once again), that much of the heat generated by the avr comes from all the processing, not from the amplifiers. it got a bit warmer when using the amps, but not a lot. it also proved how much spl comes from “the first watt”, which was another thing we knew.
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I putted a wattmeter on my 4400 and discovered a few interesting things.
In my 5.1 setup, the 4400 is amp only for my 2 surrounds bookshelves, the others speakers have their own amp fed by the 4400 pre outs. It is an Euro 230V / 50 Hz one.

So in standby, with network control on and hdmi passthru off, it uses 3W
while ON :
with eco mode ON it uses 53W, at that doesnt really change with volume or if it plays an hdmi source (passing the video to the tv) or not (TV sound by ARC or heos)
with eco mode OFF it uses 90W, not really changing also
with eco AUTO came the deception, it stays at the "53W" usage only at so low volume level that I am never at this 53w point, and believe me I dont listen loud. Even with the 4400 having to power amp only 2 bookshelves it jumps to 90w when the sound is really low (like around -40dB, but that isn't a rule, it depends if it was eco before or not, and so on)
And also, the graphical power meter seems to no reflect the reality. Like when it shows eco auto power usage lower than eco off but higher than eco on. My wattmeter shows me only 2 mode, eco or not eco.

Well that discovery made me now configure it in eco ON and no more eco auto

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Guys, I have an annoying issue. Since I configured ARC, even with HDMI control off, sometimes when I select on my TV for source the HDMI port where is connected my 4400, my HDMI devices on my 4400 (shield, apple tv 4K, ISP box) randomly power on. That is causing a mess with my logitech harmony remote control scenarii.
Is there a way to solve this ? HDMI control off in 4400, in my TV (LG oled, simplync on but the others "hdmi controls" off), in my hdmi devices


By ARC I get dolby digital+, if i switch to optical, i will only get dolby digital, isnt it ?

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Guys, I have an annoying issue. Since I configured ARC, even with HDMI control off, sometimes when I select on my TV for source the HDMI port where is connected my 4400, my HDMI devices on my 4400 (shield, apple tv 4K, ISP box) randomly power on. That is causing a mess with my logitech harmony remote control scenarii.
Is there a way to solve this ? HDMI control off in 4400, in my TV (LG oled, simplync on but the others "hdmi controls" off), in my hdmi devices


By ARC I get dolby digital+, if i switch to optical, i will only get dolby digital, isnt it ?
The random turning on of devices is due to the HDMI control option turned on, not because of ARC. That's why I turned that option off in my X4400H.

All my devices are connected to the receiver anyway, so audio signals come directly from devices to the receiver, not from devices to the TV then back to receiver via ARC. Only broadcast TV audio signals (received via TV tuner) utilize ARC in my setup. So whether DD plus is supported via ARC but not via optical doesn't really matter.
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I am using the Denon X2400 and have a premium subscription to Pandora.

Pandora on the web and the iOS Pandora App allow you to search for songs but I am unable to do so when using Pandora through the Heos app.

Am I missing something or is this a known limitiation?

Thanks
I'm not sure about the iOS app, but I can't find a song search in Pandora on the Android app either. Surprisingly, the Windows 10 HEOS app does have a Pandora search that creates a station when you search for a song name. Not sure about a song -- I don't have Premium.

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All of a sudden none of the overlay UI is popping up. No volume, no info, even hitting set up and nothing displays. The HDMI pass through is still working. Denon X3400h... what’s going on?
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Restarted the receiver and it seems to be working correctly again.
Same here but on a x4400 ( version 5130-7225-8332-4154 ). Hope this doesnt become a regular thing.
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The random turning on of devices is due to the HDMI control option turned on, not because of ARC. That's why I turned that option off in my X4400H.

All my devices are connected to the receiver anyway, so audio signals come directly from devices to the receiver, not from devices to the TV then back to receiver via ARC. Only broadcast TV audio signals (received via TV tuner) utilize ARC in my setup. So whether DD plus is supported via ARC but not via optical doesn't really matter.
HDMI control is OFF

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Guys, I have an annoying issue. Since I configured ARC, even with HDMI control off, sometimes when I select on my TV for source the HDMI port where is connected my 4400, my HDMI devices on my 4400 (shield, apple tv 4K, ISP box) randomly power on. That is causing a mess with my logitech harmony remote control scenarii.

Is there a way to solve this ? HDMI control off in 4400, in my TV (LG oled, simplync on but the others "hdmi controls" off), in my hdmi devices





By ARC I get dolby digital+, if i switch to optical, i will only get dolby digital, isnt it ?


Don’t ever use ARC. DD+ is still lossy audio. Too many issues with handshakes and issues like yours. Read on these forums and google issues with ARC and you will find tons of users that have all sorts of issues.

I used to use ARC and randomly one day, it stopped working. Nothing worked for solutions. Even doing a full reset of the tv and receiver.

Now I use optical cable and never had an issue with sound or my units turning on or off.


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Guys, I have an annoying issue. Since I configured ARC, even with HDMI control off, sometimes when I select on my TV for source the HDMI port where is connected my 4400, my HDMI devices on my 4400 (shield, apple tv 4K, ISP box) randomly power on. That is causing a mess with my logitech harmony remote control scenarii.
Is there a way to solve this ? HDMI control off in 4400, in my TV (LG oled, simplync on but the others "hdmi controls" off), in my hdmi devices


By ARC I get dolby digital+, if i switch to optical, i will only get dolby digital, isnt it ?
1. Strange as that shouldn't be the case with it set to OFF. Try doing a "soft reset" by simply powering off the all devices and unplugging their power cords and HDMI cables for 10 minutes. Reconnect all cables and power ON the TV and AVR again. If necessary, as another test, set SIMPLINK to off on the TV and if that resolves the issue, use an optical cable instead of ARC.
2. Correct. Some TVs can pass DD+ over ARC while optical can only pass DD 5.1 or PCM 2.0.
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The 4520 is a workhorse and will undoubtedly remain in the main living room with some towers, once I get them out of storage. The new AVR would go in there (Florida room) and rather than drag one of my older AVR's (3312 or 2112) out of storage, instead invest $300 in a refurb S930H. Primarily I'm hoping for simplified connectivity. At present I use a number of adapters and hubs to connect my older ethernet equipment into the wireless networking world. It appears that the 930 has wifi built in...

So I went with the 930H. There was never any thought of replacing the 4520... sorry for the confusion. I put the 930 in the bedroom to replaced an Onkyo stereo AVR. There are a few things I like about the 930 and a few things I miss about the Onk... mainly vtuner and the "recently played" and "favorites" list independent of a smartphone app. The app is okay but it'ss not as versatile as I had hoped, but oh well. I still have the chromecast audio and a couple other phone apps to do the heavy lifting. But I was able to eliminate a lot of networking gear which really cleaned things up. Thinking of adding a pair of surrounds in there for some depth.

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So I went with the 930H. There was never any thought of replacing the 4520... sorry for the confusion. I put the 930 in the bedroom to replaced an Onkyo stereo AVR. There are a few things I like about the 930 and a few things I miss about the Onk... mainly vtuner and the "recently played" and "favorites" list independent of a smartphone app. The app is okay but it'ss not as versatile as I had hoped, but oh well. I still have the chromecast audio and a couple other phone apps to do the heavy lifting. But I was able to eliminate a lot of networking gear which really cleaned things up. Thinking of adding a pair of surrounds in there for some depth.
Although vTuner was replaced by TuneIn there remains a Favorites list independent from the smart phone app. Start the stream from the HEOS app and then select OPTION - ADD to HEOS Favorites. Thereafter you simply need select HEOS Favorites on the AVR and you can start that stream without having to go back to the HEOS phone app again.
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All of a sudden none of the overlay UI is popping up. No volume, no info, even hitting set up and nothing displays. The HDMI pass through is still working. Denon X3400h... what’s going on?
I’m seeing that too. Reboot temporarily works. I’m assuming it’s the new firmware. I need to check it.
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I have a question about the x6400h. In my main room I have a 4k HDR capable projector and a 1080 only tv. I was planning on connecting the projector to Monitor 1 and the 1080 tv to Monitor 2. Will this setup cause issues? Will the Denon feed the right signals to the two sets? The 1080 tv is behind my bar so we only really ever have it on when we are watching sports or other 1080 content.

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I have a question about the x6400h. In my main room I have a 4k HDR capable projector and a 1080 only tv. I was planning on connecting the projector to Monitor 1 and the 1080 tv to Monitor 2. Will this setup cause issues? Will the Denon feed the right signals to the two sets? The 1080 tv is behind my bar so we only really ever have it on when we are watching sports or other 1080 content.
On my X4400H Monitor 1 is my 4K tv. Monitor 2 is my 1080P projector. If I run both my tv and projector at the same time the output on the tv is 1080P. If I only run one at a time I get 4K on the tv. I set my video out manually when I switch between them. Otherwise the HDMI CEC ARC turns my tv on.
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Although vTuner was replaced by TuneIn there remains a Favorites list independent from the smart phone app. Start the stream from the HEOS app and then select OPTION - ADD to HEOS Favorites. Thereafter you simply need select HEOS Favorites on the AVR and you can start that stream without having to go back to the HEOS phone app again.

Thanks, I spent yesterday using the HEOS "Play now" and "Add to HEOS Favorites" selections on the TV screen to populate my favorites, then installed the Denon remote and HEOS apps on several phones and tablets. I'm still finding my way thru the various paths to accomplish some common tasks.


But I DO miss the dedicated "Dimmer" button at the bottom of the Onkyo remote. Now I keep the 930's Setup screen set to "General, Front Display, Dimmer" so I can turn off the display panel using the "setup" button when I go to sleep. There is a sleep timer button on the 930 that I haven't tried yet. I'm assuming that like TV sleep timers it shuts the AVR off after the timer expires, rather than merely stopping the music source... which is what I would prefer.


Previously I used the Tune-in Android app from my phone and a Chromecast Audio to feed the Onkyo. The Onk also had the traditional power-off sleep timer, but using the Tune-in app's convenient sleep timer, I often wake up several times thru the night to restart the music. I wouldn't want to be turning the AVR off and on repeatedly.


Oh well... we play with stuff until we find what works best for us. That's what makes this the perfect hobby for us problem solvers.

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It should remember your Audyssey settings by default. How are you switching inputs? If using Quick Select, this could be your problem. Just change the inputs like normal. If your settings still aren't being remembered, something is wrong with your AVR.
bumping this comment up because it solved my “issue”. i had never used quick selects on any of my denons before, and damned if i could figure out why i was losing my audyssey settings when i changed sources from the app.

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bumping this comment up because it solved my “issue”. i had never used quick selects on any of my denons before, and damned if i could figure out why i was losing my audyssey settings when i changed sources from the app.

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Wow! So it really is true .... you old guys are still able to learn a thing or two.
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Wow! So it really is true .... you old guys are still able to learn a thing or two.
Sure, a thing maybe, but two might be pushing it!
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