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Late night phanton powering on of my receiver over and over wasn't working for me. eARC hopefully changes the game.

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Nice. Here's my version of HDMI.org's table, with lossy DD+ added.
Nice edit and just saved.
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That did it. AL24 shows now.
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x4400h here. Any Dolby surround upmixing off of stereo/mono channels is all staticy. Any other sound upmixing is fine. This is consistent across any of my devices and inputs. Any way to fix it? Has anyone experienced this before?
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Question Strange subwoofer issue with my new Denon AVR-X2400H

Hello,

I've just replaced my Denon AVR-X2000 with the AVR-X2400H, but I've been running into a weird problem.
I set all my connections the same way as on the previous one, everything seems to work until I do the speaker setup.

I have a 5.1 system (JM Lab) that was working fine before.
For my subwoofer, I've always been using a simple RCA cable but only using 1 of the connectors on each side (they are color coded, I use the white one on both sides).
The 5 speakers work fine in the speaker setup, but the subwoofer could not be heard at all at first.
I've checked the forums for information and did the following:

I set the crossover on the sub to the max, tried the left / right inputs (it was in LFE).
I set the front speakers to small, and the output to LFE.
I set the Subwoofer to On, instead of Auto/On.
I turned the volume to max during the subwoofer test tone.

After doing all that, I can hear a very quiet tone from the subwoofer, but it's not a hum, it's the same as the test tone from the other speakers except it's much lower in volume (it's a small melody of 3 notes).
The strange thing is that when I increase the volume to max while testing the subwoofer, I also hear the test tone in my rear left speaker, but at a low volume too..

Is my amp just malfunctioning or are there other things I should try?

Thanks in avance !
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So, if anyone ever owned the 3808ci/4808ci or similar and can comment on how the current crop compare in terms of build quality, that would be very much appreciated.
If by 4808ci you meant 4308CI then yes I have one. If you looked at the soundandvision.com bench test results, the 3808 and 4308 ranked higher than the newer 4520CI and 7200WA and much higher than the 55 lbs NAD T787, surprisingly, even 2 channels driven into 4 ohms.

The newer models seem to have more ICs and less analog discrete parts, and have better DAC chip (AK4458 vs PCM1791). The 3808/4308CI do have the better ADC, the PCM1804. Overall, I would say the 3808/4308CI do have better build quality, probably more comparable to the AVR-X8500H except the X8500H has better DAC chips, and a stronger power supply for the power amp section.
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Hello,

I've just replaced my Denon AVR-X2000 with the AVR-X2400H, but I've been running into a weird problem.
I set all my connections the same way as on the previous one, everything seems to work until I do the speaker setup.

I have a 5.1 system (JM Lab) that was working fine before.
For my subwoofer, I've always been using a simple RCA cable but only using 1 of the connectors on each side (they are color coded, I use the white one on both sides).
The 5 speakers work fine in the speaker setup, but the subwoofer could not be heard at all at first.
I've checked the forums for information and did the following:

I set the crossover on the sub to the max, tried the left / right inputs (it was in LFE).
I set the front speakers to small, and the output to LFE.
I set the Subwoofer to On, instead of Auto/On.
I turned the volume to max during the subwoofer test tone.

After doing all that, I can hear a very quiet tone from the subwoofer, but it's not a hum, it's the same as the test tone from the other speakers except it's much lower in volume (it's a small melody of 3 notes).
The strange thing is that when I increase the volume to max while testing the subwoofer, I also hear the test tone in my rear left speaker, but at a low volume too..

Is my amp just malfunctioning or are there other things I should try?

Thanks in avance !
Prior to running Audyssey Setup, the subwoofer volume/gain knob should be set to about 10 o'clock.
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While we are on this topic, I have a question. I live in a condo and do not have a sub, only bass shakers installed in the couches so I don't upset the neighbors below. Since Audyssey does not detect a sub, I have to go into manual setup and add it back in. Is there another solution to allow me to keep the Audyssey options?
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Hello,

I've just replaced my Denon AVR-X2000 with the AVR-X2400H, but I've been running into a weird problem.
I set all my connections the same way as on the previous one, everything seems to work until I do the speaker setup.

I have a 5.1 system (JM Lab) that was working fine before.
For my subwoofer, I've always been using a simple RCA cable but only using 1 of the connectors on each side (they are color coded, I use the white one on both sides).
The 5 speakers work fine in the speaker setup, but the subwoofer could not be heard at all at first.
I've checked the forums for information and did the following:

I set the crossover on the sub to the max, tried the left / right inputs (it was in LFE).
I set the front speakers to small, and the output to LFE.
I set the Subwoofer to On, instead of Auto/On.
I turned the volume to max during the subwoofer test tone.

After doing all that, I can hear a very quiet tone from the subwoofer, but it's not a hum, it's the same as the test tone from the other speakers except it's much lower in volume (it's a small melody of 3 notes).
The strange thing is that when I increase the volume to max while testing the subwoofer, I also hear the test tone in my rear left speaker, but at a low volume too..

Is my amp just malfunctioning or are there other things I should try?

Thanks in avance !
If you do not have your subwoofer cable connected to SUBWOOFER 1 on your AVR-X2400H, you might want to do so. It sounds to me as though you have two or more speakers connecting through the same channel. By any chance, are you running transmitters and receivers to drive your speakers, instead of hard-wire? That could be the source of your problem. Also, when running Manual->Speakers->Test Tones, increase your volume through your remote control or volume control on the AVR; it's too quiet otherwise.

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While we are on this topic, I have a question. I live in a condo and do not have a sub, only bass shakers installed in the couches so I don't upset the neighbors below. Since Audyssey does not detect a sub, I have to go into manual setup and add it back in. Is there another solution to allow me to keep the Audyssey options?
What Audysey options? You have a tactile transducer not a sub. Run Audyssey first then connect the transducers amp to the main sub input and set a 50HZ or so crossover.

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I need some clarification please on a line from the first post w.r.t the 3400/4400/6400 models:

"Although unable to display the GUI on 4k video, able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision)."

Does the above line imply that when you are watching a 4K movie, and if you hit "Settings" on the remote, then you will not see any settings menu on the TV at all?

Or does that line mean, that the Settings menu will not be "overlayed" on top of the ongoing movie?

In other words, while playing 4K content, is there any way to access "settings menu" (I believe its called GUI) with these receivers?

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What Audysey options? You have a tactile transducer not a sub. Run Audyssey first then connect the transducers amp to the main sub input and set a 50HZ or so crossover.
The only way to get the Denon to output to the sub is to switch to manual setup after running Audyssey and add a sub. Don't I lose the options for dynamic volume, etc when I do that?
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The only way to get the Denon to output to the sub is to switch to manual setup after running Audyssey and add a sub. Don't I lose the options for dynamic volume, etc when I do that?
Yes you do. Other option is to run speaker wire from your front L and R speaker posts to the sub amp's high level inputs and cross it over that way. Wont get LFE though. Just the low passed non LFE bass. You could also buy a cheap ass powered sub on CL for like 25 to 45 bucks to run Audyssey and then just turn it off or down all the way. Just thinking outside the box.
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I need some clarification please on a line from the first post w.r.t the 3400/4400/6400 models:



"Although unable to display the GUI on 4k video, able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision)."



Does the above line imply that when you are watching a 4K movie, and if you hit "Settings" on the remote, then you will not see any settings menu on the TV at all?



Or does that line mean, that the Settings menu will not be "overlayed" on top of the ongoing movie?



In other words, while playing 4K content, is there any way to access "settings menu" (I believe its called GUI) with these receivers?


Correct, you will get a black background and the video resolution drops to 720p if running Dolby Vision.

Otherwise, you will have a floating menu that you can see the background video playing.


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What Audysey options? You have a tactile transducer not a sub. Run Audyssey first then connect the transducers amp to the main sub input and set a 50HZ or so crossover.
The only way to get the Denon to output to the sub is to switch to manual setup after running Audyssey and add a sub. Don't I lose the options for dynamic volume, etc when I do that?
Thanks. I might try the cheap sub option or try use one from some computer speakers I have.
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I recently purchased an X3400H for a room I am currently finishing. With the less-than-ideal layout of the room, I'm going to run a typical 5.1 setup, though I'm contemplating adding two Klipsch RP-140SA above the couch against the back wall for a 5.1.2 setup. Having the speakers in the front will not really work with my setup... I can hang the RP-140SAs right under the soffit above the couch and with the angle of the speaker, it should work out OK.

My question is... is it possible to have these speakers as rear height speakers with the 3400? Unfortunately, what I'm reading looks like I may need the X4400H to do that? The 3400 has an option for front height in the manual, but I'm not seeing any option for rear like I do in the 4400 manual. I find it odd that the front is an option, but the rear is not. I don't have anything connected yet, so I haven't actually looked in the 3400 receiver settings, but I thought I'd see if anyone here knows for certain. Thanks.
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Hoping someone can help with this minor but annoying problem.

When the Apple TV is connected to the Denon receiver, audio starts playing for a couple seconds before the video kicks in. There’s just a black screen for a couple seconds. Once the video kicks in it’s all good.

I don’t have this issue over ARC with the Apple TV connected to the television. I’d rather not use ARC though because of audio sync issues with some content.

Any ideas regarding how to get the audio and video to start at the same time? All three devices are up-to-date with the latest firmware.

Thanks!

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Thanks. I might try the cheap sub option or try use one from some computer speakers I have.
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Sorry, the 3400H only does 5.x.2. 2 overhead channelsonly. Don't know if you can assign them as front or back, though. I think you can assign the surround back connections to the Atmos speakers.

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Sorry, the 3400H only does 5.x.2. 2 overhead channelsonly. Don't know if you can assign them as front or back, though. I think you can assign the surround back connections to the Atmos speakers.
I'm fine with the 2 total overhead channels. I just want to confirm whether or not those two can be assigned as rear heights instead of the front height option listed in the manual.

Or... the only way to have rear heights assigned is if you already have front heights assigned? If that's the case, then maybe the 4400 wouldn't even provide what I want.

I hope I'm making sense with my question haha.
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I suddenly realize I have not seen the AL32 LED lit up at all since I have the X4400H, that's even when playing CD and BR discs. Unless I remember wrong, I thought when I had the AVR-4308CI, that LED seemed to be on most of the time. It has been 3 upgrades/downgrade and quite a few years ago since, so I probably did remember wrong. At the time I was using Denon link but no any more. Am I missing something, or doing something wrong?
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Hello, first time poster here in the Denon Forums.

I have a dilema and hope to get some honest feedback. I am looking for a 4k receiver for pass through and Atmos. I am probably going to stick to 5.2.2 and doubt
would utilize 9 or 11 channels unless I buy another house with a dedicated HT room to tinker with. I may consider blue tooth wireless speakers in my back yard
if that is possible with HEOS but that would only require 2 more channels. I would need the received to have a pre out for my left and right channels for a
seperate amp. Bi pass would be cool for a dedicated pre amp and power amp.

I can probably get at 4200 for $350-$375 apparently new. This is much older compared to 4300 - 4400 or $4500
but the price seems to be a good deal.

I was also considering the 4400 at between $700 -$750 when they go on sale again.

Frys has a special at $549 for the new 3500 version without tax so probably $590 or so.
Im thinking greentoe may get close to this number, however I would pay the extra $100
for the 4400 if it is a much better prospect. I was reading some comments about the 3500
has the on screen display setting in 4k where previous models did not. Please clarify because
I am not sure.

The other option was the Marantz 6012 which is the most expensive option. I know these get quite hot and apparently
the music sounds better. I am about 50/50 with music and movies, but my heart is still movies. I also have a dedicated
amp and preamp for 2 channel music already so I may not solely utilize the Marantz for music.

I am a sucker for a good deal and love budget, however I do like to see a pretty significant difference if I spend the money.
Not in a super rush, and would be able to wait close to black Friday for better deals on the mentioned models i'm considering.

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Finally the latest firmware is posted. My unit can ever update via network under any circumstances. Therefore I have to resort to manual updates.


Update, after updating, my update via network seems to function now. It returns update not required. Latest version installed.
Previously it always showed connection error.
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I'm fine with the 2 total overhead channels. I just want to confirm whether or not those two can be assigned as rear heights instead of the front height option listed in the manual.

Or... the only way to have rear heights assigned is if you already have front heights assigned? If that's the case, then maybe the 4400 wouldn't even provide what I want.

I hope I'm making sense with my question haha.
Amp assign settings on Page 40 of the PDF manual says front top,front height or top middle. Has to be one of those 3 designations but you could still mount the heights in the back and use the top middle designation and see how things sound after running Audyssey . Otherwise the X4400H is the next option.
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I suddenly realize I have not seen the AL32 LED lit up at all since I have the X4400H, that's even when playing CD and BR discs. Unless I remember wrong, I thought when I had the AVR-4308CI, that LED seemed to be on most of the time. It has been 3 upgrades/downgrade and quite a few years ago since, so I probably did remember wrong. At the time I was using Denon link but no any more. Am I missing something, or doing something wrong?
Is that under the status botton on the front panel? I had to press it twice quickly to see the Alpha proccesing status on mine. Supposedly doesnt work with 2.0 PCM through optical or analog inputs in their receivers though oddly enough.
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Prior to running Audyssey Setup, the subwoofer volume/gain knob should be set to about 10 o'clock.
I'll try that.. mine was at about 60% volume, but I tried increasing it to max during the test tones to see if that made a difference, but it didn't.

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If you do not have your subwoofer cable connected to SUBWOOFER 1 on your AVR-X2400H, you might want to do so. It sounds to me as though you have two or more speakers connecting through the same channel. By any chance, are you running transmitters and receivers to drive your speakers, instead of hard-wire? That could be the source of your problem. Also, when running Manual->Speakers->Test Tones, increase your volume through your remote control or volume control on the AVR; it's too quiet otherwise.
I do have my subwoofer cable connected to SUBWOOFER 1. I did try both outputs.
My speakers are hard-wired, and the connections look fine, but I could try re-inserting all of them to make sure...
All 5 speakers are receiving the correct test tones before the subwoofer is being tested.
I also did set the volume on my AVR to the max, and that's when I heard the test tone really low on the subwoofer (no hum though) + left surround speaker.

Thank you both for the help, I'll try this at least.
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I can probably get at 4200 for $350-$375 apparently new. This is much older compared to 4300 - 4400 or $4500
but the price seems to be a good deal.
That seems too good to be true if it includes the factory warranty, and better still if returnable within X number of days.

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I was also considering the 4400 at between $700 -$750 when they go on sale again.
$750 is a good deal, if $700, buy 2, keep one for spare.

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Frys has a special at $549 for the new 3500 version without tax so probably $590 or so.
That's a newly launched model, wonder how they can make money on such deals!

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Im thinking greentoe may get close to this number, however I would pay the extra $100
for the 4400 if it is a much better prospect. I was reading some comments about the 3500
has the on screen display setting in 4k where previous models did not. Please clarify because
I am not sure.
The previous models can display volume and status only, on 4K video.

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The other option was the Marantz 6012 which is the most expensive option. I know these get quite hot and apparently
the music sounds better. I am about 50/50 with music and movies, but my heart is still movies. I also have a dedicated
amp and preamp for 2 channel music already so I may not solely utilize the Marantz for music.
Could be a little warmer because of the HDAM modules. To me, more parts cut both ways, I couldn't hear a difference though and can't see how inserting more analog parts between so many digital dsp and ICs would improve anything audibly speaking, ymmv. The X4400H does have a stronger power supply.

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I am a sucker for a good deal and love budget, however I do like to see a pretty significant difference if I spend the money.
Not in a super rush, and would be able to wait close to black Friday for better deals on the mentioned models i'm considering.

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I doubt anyone could hear "pretty significant difference" as such in any sort of blind listening comparisons. Some claimed that they did, (I assume not in controlled blind AB), so again, you just may..
Note that he X4400H and 7012 are both rated 125 W, 0.05% THD versus the X3400H and SR6012's 110 W, 0.08% THD. Those results appeared to be verifiable based on bench test results on previous models with similar specs.
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Is that under the status botton on the front panel? I had to press it twice quickly to see the Alpha proccesing status on mine. Supposedly doesnt work with 2.0 PCM through optical or analog inputs in their receivers though oddly enough.
Thanks again, I wonder why they got rid of the indicator flag on the steady on display. My 4308CI has that "Advance AL24" flag on the top row so there is no need to press the status button. Not big deal at all, just wondering that's all.
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I have an Amazon Fire 4K for Amazon Prime streaming so that I can get Atmos and an Apple TV 4K so that I can get Netflix Atmos. Both are fed to my 4K TV thru the X4400. As we all know, the streaming Atmos sources are object-based dolby atmos carried within a dolby digital+ bitstream and not "full" Dolby Atmos. Both devices show "Atmos" as the input when an Atmos-encoded program is streaming and the output shows all the speakers active when I press "Info" on the X4400. But, when I am streaming a non-Atmos program, the X4400 "input" shows "multi-channel" input, not "dolby digital". The "output" shows all channels active. When I use the green button on the X4400 to scroll thru the options, I get a lot of different ones, but not "dolby digital". For a Blu-ray disc, the X4400 performs as expected. Is there a problem here?

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