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post #9631 of 11822 Old 12-24-2018, 10:59 PM
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I was thinking it was the other way around, to go in a mode to deliver more current needed by 6 ohms. But it makes sense to add safety factors for higher current so UL can give you the sticker.

oh well that means my x4400h will run even hotter if pushed. Time to spend on a larger cooling fan.
My 4300H stays fairly cool but I have it in a fairly open air AV rack. Auto Eco mode with no external amplification or Eco mode On with an outboard amp should help as well. I run a mix of 8 and 6 Ohm speakers. If they are truly 6 Ohm nominal and fairly efficient it should be fine.

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Regarding ventilation - I noticed in the first post that one of the 4400s "upgrades" compared to the 3400 is that it comes with two internal fans.

My question - does that mean it wont run as hot as the 3400? Or does that mean it runs much hotter and requires two fans to try and cool it? Should I expect one to run hotter and require more ventilation than the other?

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With the coming new year, it's time to do a first in AVS history and lock a thread of an EOL product line. Anything that anyone wanted to know about this AVR has been repeated ad nauseum and those late to the party are too lazy to read the first couple of posts or search the thread.
Now we're just getting ridiculous questions like: "Help! I want 5 zone audio, and I have the 6400 - can I get a new 4400 and connect it to zone 2 of the 6400 and then connect my brother's friend's buddy's 4300 that he wants to get rid of to zone 2 of the 4400, but then also control zone 1 of the 4400 using HEOS, but from an Airplay device?"
I own 2016, 2017, and 2018 Denon Receivers. At some point in time, each of the threads really devolve to new second hand owners with questions original owners dealt with in the first year--these really begin to peak shortly after the receiver goes into clearout pricing. About that point in time, I move the thread to the area of my "favorites" that I look at once a week, just in case something new has cropped up. The 2016 went there a while ago. I think it's time for the 2017 to go there, as well; as it's been a while since anything that hasn't been dealt with already has appeared on this 2017 thread. jd does a good job of answering questions from these new owners (usually by referring them to the first 6 posts) and I don't think I have anything to add. As a "for instance", there was another recent question about temps and the presence of the two on-board cooling fans. jd has answered this question in every Denon thread I've read and i'm sure he'll deal with it yet again.

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I own 2016, 2017, and 2018 Denon Receivers. At some point in time, each of the threads really devolve to new second hand owners with questions original owners dealt with in the first year--these really begin to peak shortly after the receiver goes into clearout pricing. About that point in time, I move the thread to the area of my "favorites" that I look at once a week, just in case something new has cropped up. The 2016 went there a while ago. I think it's time for the 2017 to go there, as well; as it's been a while since anything that hasn't been dealt with already has appeared on this 2017 thread. jd does a good job of answering questions from these new owners (usually by referring them to the first 6 posts) and I don't think I have anything to add. As a "for instance", there was another recent question about temps and the presence of the two on-board cooling fans. jd has answered this question in every Denon thread I've read and i'm sure he'll deal with it yet again.
Well that was me asking about the temps and the fans.

Keep in mind that these threads become hundreds and hundreds of posts. And sometimes the question was in 2017 or 2017 and 2018 - so its thousands.

I know its annoying to have to re-answer questions but I have also googled many terms in this thread to try and find the answer and have yet to find it...
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Regarding ventilation - I noticed in the first post that one of the 4400s "upgrades" compared to the 3400 is that it comes with two internal fans.

My question - does that mean it wont run as hot as the 3400? Or does that mean it runs much hotter and requires two fans to try and cool it? Should I expect one to run hotter and require more ventilation than the other?

Thank you.
I am not aware if there are fans in x4400h. Will have to look closely for them It has vents on the whole top and does run hot. I am not in a closed cabinet but it is also not in an open shelf, only front is open and there are a couple of inch gap on each side. I am driving JBL590s + JBL surrounds. etc. The 590s are rated to 250W each and are 6 ohms with 92db effeciency. x4400h does get a work out driving the 590s and is quite hot after 30mins use at 50-70% volume. Recently I added a laptop cooler on top of it to suck hot air out and this has really helped. Even well after 1 hour of use it is cool to the touch except the areas where cooler does not cover to receiver. I may have to put two laptop coolers to cover the whole x4400h.
Anyway the cooler works exceptionally well.
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Regarding ventilation - I noticed in the first post that one of the 4400s "upgrades" compared to the 3400 is that it comes with two internal fans.

My question - does that mean it wont run as hot as the 3400? Or does that mean it runs much hotter and requires two fans to try and cool it? Should I expect one to run hotter and require more ventilation than the other?

Thank you.
Nope, it simply means the X4400H fans will protect the AVR should the internal temp go over 159F which ideally should never happen.

Also, neither model should run hot if provide with adequate ventilation to include 3-4" clearance on top and sides with an open front and back.
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^^^jd may have taken a Holiday. The two internal fans only activate at a relatively high temp (jd has given the temp) as a last ditch effort to keep from frying the Amp output stages. They do not operate to keep the "normal" temps lower. Ask Denon why, it's never been revealed to us; but I suspect it's to keep the noise level low. jd has often said if you follow the guidelines in manual for clearance, you will be ok for temp, even if it feels "high" to you. If you have restricted clearance, aftermarket fans (thread is replete with examples) are the answer. In any event, Denon does not start up the internal fans until it's way too hot for ordinary use. My X8500 is in "free air" on top of the equipment rack, as was it's predecessor X4400, and both felt "warm" to the touch compared to other receivers I have owned. However I've had no problems and I don't use aux cooling fans. Many owners comment that their Denon receivers seem to be "too warm", but the internal fans are no help to this. jd has reported that the source of the heat is generally the video output stage, not the amplifiers and that is why we feel the heat even when the receivers are not being driven hard.

I see jd posted while I was composing this.

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I was comparing the x4400h spec with Marantz 6012/7012 and noticed this

Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% 2ch Drive)105 W
Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.05% 2ch Drive)125 W
https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx4400h

Why is it more power (Watts) at less distortion? I would think it should be the other way round.
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I admire JD for replying to the same questions over and over (another month to go before the next "cooling / temp" question comes up). He must be the most patient person ever. If it were me, I'd simply reply RTMFM or refer to page 1 of thread AVR manuals are probably the most in-depth manuals I've ever come across and the technical writing bar is high. Between that and a search of this thread, all answers lie within, so no sympathy for these hit-and-run newbs looking for a "thanks in advance" type answer. My original Phantom drone manual was like 30 pages of Engrish gibberish where you needed to actively read the DJI forums or look to YouTube for even the most simple answers - and that drone can kill people and bring down an airplane if you don't follow the instructions. So, yeah, I'm joking that this thread should be locked, but the fact that people can't be bothered to be bothered to look up stuff themselves, bothers me.
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I admire JD for replying to the same questions over and over (another month to go before the next "cooling / temp" question comes up). He must be the most patient person ever. If it were me, I'd simply reply RTMFM or refer to page 1 of thread AVR manuals are probably the most in-depth manuals I've ever come across and the technical writing bar is high. Between that and a search of this thread, all answers lie within, so no sympathy for these hit-and-run newbs looking for a "thanks in advance" type answer. My original Phantom drone manual was like 30 pages of Engrish gibberish where you needed to actively read the DJI forums or look to YouTube for even the most simple answers - and that drone can kill people and bring down an airplane if you don't follow the instructions. So, yeah, I'm joking that this thread should be locked, but the fact that people can't be bothered to be bothered to look up stuff themselves, bothers me.
Hah! I didn't get this way overnight. If you were to look at the first 2 years of my posting, you would see roughly every page I would say "Use the Search This Thread" feature. It was then roughly another 2 years before I started putting the information in the first few posts of the thread so that now I can either refer to them or just give the answer as I've learned that the majority simply want the answer.
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I was comparing the x4400h spec with Marantz 6012/7012 and noticed this

Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.08% 2ch Drive)105 W
Power Output (8 ohm, 20 Hz - 20 kHz, 0.05% 2ch Drive)125 W
https://usa.denon.com/us/product/hom...vers/avrx4400h

Why is it more power (Watts) at less distortion? I would think it should be the other way round.
The X4400H/SR7012 are sister models using better quality components than the X3400H/SR6012 sister models.
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My 4300H stays fairly cool but I have it in a fairly open air AV rack. Auto Eco mode with no external amplification or Eco mode On with an outboard amp should help as well. I run a mix of 8 and 6 Ohm speakers. If they are truly 6 Ohm nominal and fairly efficient it should be fine.
x4400h here. Where at in the setup menu can the Ohm setting be modified? I couldn’t find it anywhere and all this talk had me curious to see what mine is set as.
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x4400h here. Where at in the setup menu can the Ohm setting be modified? I couldn’t find it anywhere and all this talk had me curious to see what mine is set as.
Unless someone changed the setting on your unit, it's set to 8 ohms by default. Here's how to change it:
http://manuals.denon.com/AVRX4400H/N...SYrhoargxb.php

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Yes, knew that. Also Marantz better for music and Denon for HT.
My question why is it rated 125W at 0.05% but only 105W at 0.08% thd.
At higher Wattage THD also goes up.

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i currently have the denon 1610 and i'm considering the x3400h. i have a 5.1 setup. which surrounds would i use on the 3400, side or back?
also, can i listen to pandora via bluetooth from my samsung s8 phone?
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Do the colored "Sound Mode" buttons at the bottom of the remote actually change the processing or the sound at all or are they just a way to set presets for different modes such as stereo, dolby, etc?

I have a MOVIE, MUSIC, GAME, and PURE button.

If I select Movie and choose Stereo, is it the same as the others set to stereo or do each of these modes process the sound differently? The manual makes it sound like there is processing... movie button for movies, music for music, etc...

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Yes, knew that. Also Marantz better for music and Denon for HT.
My question why is it rated 125W at 0.05% but only 105W at 0.08% thd.
At higher Wattage THD also goes up.
I think you threw him off a bit bringing up the Marantz when asking a question about the Denon's listed power rating alone. That 105 Watt spec at higher distortion isn't even mentioned on page 317 of the X4400H's PDF manual so more than likely it's an error on the Denon website. Not the first time that's happened.

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Do the colored "Sound Mode" buttons at the bottom of the remote actually change the processing or the sound at all or are they just a way to set presets for different modes such as stereo, dolby, etc?



I have a MOVIE, MUSIC, GAME, and PURE button.



If I select Movie and choose Stereo, is it the same as the others set to stereo or do each of these modes process the sound differently? The manual makes it sound like there is processing... movie button for movies, music for music, etc...



Thanks
A way to set presets for different modes.

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Just noticed that when I raise the volume on my 3400, it shows on screen when playing HDR. This was on my Roku Ultra.

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I think you threw him off a bit bringing up the Marantz when asking a question about the Denon's listed power rating alone. That 105 Watt spec at higher distortion isn't even mentioned on page 317 of the X4400H's PDF manual so more than likely it's an error on the Denon website. Not the first time that's happened.
Yes seems like it.
I found the same issue on error Marantz 7012(sister with identical specs to x4400h).
The only explanation I have is that it was left over from Denon 3400 as THD for it is higher compared to 4400.
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Just noticed that when I raise the volume on my 3400, it shows on screen when playing HDR. This was on my Roku Ultra.
It's supposed to display over HDR, that's normal. It doesn't work over Dolby Vision but Roku doesn't do Dolby Vision so you wont have that problem.
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Hi all, I just got my SVS PB-2000 subwoofer for my basement. I have a Denon 3400H AVR so I plugged it into the LFE port on the back of the sub right? I played a movie (Fantastic Beasts) and it wasn't as impactful as I thought it would be. I had to put it past half way on the back of the sub. what settings on the AVR do I need to change? I put the front speakers as small and the crossover at 80hz. it doesn't give me a crossover of the sub, just the front speakers, even though I did tell the AVR that I have a sub. Is there anything else I need to do? I don't want to run audyssey calibration yet.

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Denon 4400H having problems staying connected to wifi network. Have tried a soft reset of unit. Also tried network reset. What happens is it will connect to my network but drops connection soon after. Any ideas what else I should try? Thanks.

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Hi all, I just got my SVS PB-2000 subwoofer for my basement. I have a Denon 3400H AVR so I plugged it into the LFE port on the back of the sub right? I played a movie (Fantastic Beasts) and it wasn't as impactful as I thought it would be. I had to put it past half way on the back of the sub. what settings on the AVR do I need to change? I put the front speakers as small and the crossover at 80hz. it doesn't give me a crossover of the sub, just the front speakers, even though I did tell the AVR that I have a sub. Is there anything else I need to do? I don't want to run audyssey calibration yet.
Did you plug in the microphone and run Audyssey after you connected the new sub? Doesn't sound like you did from your post.

You need to in order to calibrate your sub properly. if you don't have much time, just do 3 mic positions for now.
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Yes seems like it.

I found the same issue on error Marantz 7012(sister with identical specs to x4400h).

The only explanation I have is that it was left over from Denon 3400 as THD for it is higher compared to 4400.
It was. There was another poster here a few months ago who pointed out the Denon comparison section showed the X4400's specs for the X3400.

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Hi all, I just got my SVS PB-2000 subwoofer for my basement. I have a Denon 3400H AVR so I plugged it into the LFE port on the back of the sub right? I played a movie (Fantastic Beasts) and it wasn't as impactful as I thought it would be. I had to put it past half way on the back of the sub. what settings on the AVR do I need to change? I put the front speakers as small and the crossover at 80hz. it doesn't give me a crossover of the sub, just the front speakers, even though I did tell the AVR that I have a sub. Is there anything else I need to do? I don't want to run audyssey calibration yet.
Either keep raising the sub's physical gain knob or raise the sub levels within the receiver itself. Option->channel level adjust is source specific and setup->speakers->manual setup->levels-> test tone is universal.

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Did you plug in the microphone and run Audyssey after you connected the new sub? Doesn't sound like you did from your post.

You need to in order to calibrate your sub properly. if you don't have much time, just do 3 mic positions for now.
I did not run Audyssey, but a couple of months ago i plugged in my BIC F12 and i noticed the impact right away. You would expect that the svs pb-2000 to be more noticable since its bigger and more powerful. I didn't run Audyssey then either and had both volumes in the middle.

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Denon 4400H having problems staying connected to wifi network. Have tried a soft reset of unit. Also tried network reset. What happens is it will connect to my network but drops connection soon after. Any ideas what else I should try? Thanks.

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How far is the unit from your primary router? Perhaps a second (closer) "bridge" router is in order (which I use as my router is at one end of the house and the AVR is at the other end)?
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Hi all, I just got my SVS PB-2000 subwoofer for my basement. I have a Denon 3400H AVR so I plugged it into the LFE port on the back of the sub right? I played a movie (Fantastic Beasts) and it wasn't as impactful as I thought it would be. I had to put it past half way on the back of the sub. what settings on the AVR do I need to change? I put the front speakers as small and the crossover at 80hz. it doesn't give me a crossover of the sub, just the front speakers, even though I did tell the AVR that I have a sub. Is there anything else I need to do? I don't want to run audyssey calibration yet.
1. "Crossover" only applies to speakers, not to the sub.
2. Why not run Audyssey?
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