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post #11491 of 11836 Old 06-25-2019, 10:39 AM
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Hey guys had a question in regards to Heos speakers. My understanding is that they act like zones.

I have the x1400h.

I currently have a pair of outdoor speakers set to zone two, that I use the Heos app with to send music to the backyard.

If I get a wireless Heos speaker can it still act like a second zone? What I mean is let's say i set it up as a bedroom speaker. Can you play music on a wireless speaker while still using the main zone 1 to watch a movie?
Just remember that if you want to stream a source that is connected to the 1400H (like a CD or BD player) to your HEOS speakers it will only work if you have an analog connection set up for that source. That is a limitation of the Denon line below the 3400H.

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Just remember that if you want to stream a source that is connected to the 1400H (like a CD or BD player) to your HEOS speakers it will only work if you have an analog connection set up for that source. That is a limitation of the Denon line below the 3400H.
Yes that is correct thank you. I only stream from the phone or local server so I am good there.
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My 3400H still can surprise me

Gee, I've had my 3400H for almost 2 years now and I just discovered that I can play DSD files via Heos (queue dope slap to the head). All this time I assumed Heos would choke on these files so I've been using an external DAC. Since it was using the optical port I knew that these DSD files would have to be down-sampled. I had also assumed that my modest KEF LS50's and KEF cube 8c sub wouldn't be able to resolve any difference with the down-sampled files.

Boy, wrong on both accounts.

With the Denon playing the DSD files (both 2.8mHz & 5.6mHz) from my Logitech Media Server I have a noticeably fuller, richer sound stage. Also more detail. Quite surprised at the difference.

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Gee, I've had my 3400H for almost 2 years now and I just discovered that I can play DSD files via Heos (queue dope slap to the head). All this time I assumed Heos would choke on these files so I've been using an external DAC. Since it was using the optical port I knew that these DSD files would have to be down-sampled. I had also assumed that my modest KEF LS50's and KEF cube 8c sub wouldn't be able to resolve any difference with the down-sampled files.

Boy, wrong on both accounts.

With the Denon playing the DSD files (both 2.8mHz & 5.6mHz) from my Logitech Media Server I have a noticeably fuller, richer sound stage. Also more detail. Quite surprised at the difference.
Yup, a feature of the X3400H and higher level models as well.
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Since we were recently on the topic of heos speakers who uses them and how do you like them.

I'm on a budget and will probably grab a Heos 1. It will be mainly use for podcasts and music in the bathroom.

Anyone care to share your thoughts?


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My 4400 arrived today. I like the way it looks and can't wait to hook it up. Sadly, I won't be switching AVRs around until this weekend when I have more free time.
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Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH I got in 2009.

I needed an AVR with 4K passthrough for my upcoming 4K TV purchase.
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Pioneer Elite VSX-01TXH I got in 2009.

I needed an AVR with 4K passthrough for my upcoming 4K TV purchase.
If nothing else, the Audyssey XT32 should make your Monolith subwoofers sing even more than now. See you on the Audyssey and Audyssey app threads.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post58230246

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If nothing else, the Audyssey XT32 should make your Monolith subwoofers sing even more than now. See you on the Audyssey and Audyssey app threads.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post58230246

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Yeah, I'm hoping I get everything sounding at least as good as it does now. I've been very impressed with the Pioneer, but I am interested in messing around with Audyssey MultEQ XT32. If it gets more out of the Monolith I might be repairing drywall. I'll definitely be reading up more on it once it's hooked up so thanks for the link.
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Yeah, I'm hoping I get everything sounding at least as good as it does now. I've been very impressed with the Pioneer, but I am interested in messing around with Audyssey MultEQ XT32. If it gets more out of the Monolith I might be repairing drywall. I'll definitely be reading up more on it once it's hooked up so thanks for the link.


Have a read through the first 8 posts on this thread, lots of extremely valuable information, including setup, troubleshooting and other things.


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Have a read through the first 8 posts on this thread, lots of extremely valuable information, including setup, troubleshooting and other things.


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Since we were recently on the topic of heos speakers who uses them and how do you like them.

I'm on a budget and will probably grab a Heos 1. It will be mainly use for podcasts and music in the bathroom.

Anyone care to share your thoughts?


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I used to drag a HEOS 5 (which sits in our living room) out to the patio when we had guests, however, the HEOS 1 audio quality for just background audio provides an excellent alternative and I also use the HEOS 1 Go Pack which powers the HEOS 1 up to 6 hours on a full charge such that I simply take them both out to the patio now and don't have to worry about plugging it in to an outside outlet. Note that if you purchase two speakers of the same model (eg. HEOS 1 + HEOS 1), you can set them up as a stereo pair if you prefer stereo audio. I find the HEOS 1 on its own is more than sufficient. I also use the HEOS 1 in our guest room for the occasional overnight guest to stream audio from their phone.
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I used to drag a HEOS 5 (which sits in our living room) out to the patio when we had guests, however, the HEOS 1 audio quality for just background audio provides an excellent alternative and I also use the HEOS 1 Go Pack which powers the HEOS 1 up to 6 hours on a full charge such that I simply take them both out to the patio now and don't have to worry about plugging it in to an outside outlet. Note that if you purchase two speakers of the same model (eg. HEOS 1 + HEOS 1), you can set them up as a stereo pair if you prefer stereo audio. I find the HEOS 1 on its own is more than sufficient. I also use the HEOS 1 in our guest room for the occasional overnight guest to stream audio from their phone.


Finally some thoughts from a real user. I can't ever seem to get a response in the speaker section.

Thanks that's what I wanted to hear. I don't need amazing sound. But would like it to be decent. Sounds like I'll just go with H1.


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The new X4400H is up and running 11.4 and sounding incredible (75% music). New to Heos, and setting it up now. Install and use is fine on the Android phone. Is there a way to control Heos from a Wndows 7 pc? I have an "emulator" (ApowerMirror) on the pc that mimics the phone ok on the screen. Coming from the older Denon where it had Web Control GUI. Can Heos function like that on a pc, without connecting the phone?

I use blustacks as an android emulator on a win7 pc and run the Audyssey app from there with no problems at all. Why don't you just download the HEOS app to your emulator and run it from there, or try blustacks and run the app from there?
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I use blustacks as an android emulator on a win7 pc and run the Audyssey app from there with no problems at all. Why don't you just download the HEOS app to your emulator and run it from there, or try blustacks and run the app from there?
Thanks for the reply. I tried blustacks, my Kaspersky security went crazy. WIndows 7 wanted to change stuff, whatever. ApowerMirror is what I use (years now) for my phone, no problems on pc. Tried it on the new cheap tablet I just got, said not compatible. Vysor is what I ended up using for the tablet to pc, working good. The tablet is working good with Heos and everything else. Also using a Harmony Hub. The Denon avr 2016 remote app is working good with the 4400. I complained about loosing the Web Controller coming from the older 4311CI. The Heos is much better now. Everything being on the tablet is sweet.
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I've had my new 3400H now for about a week and a half and the strangest thing is going on with my Xfinity XG1v4 box. I am constantly having to unplug it and plug back in due to losing signal. I have a Sony 900e and I'm always having to fight this thing. Xfinity came out yesterday and switched the box out but today it's doing the same thing. Whats weird is that I originally bought both a 940H as well as a Sony STR-DN1080 but somehow I ended up getting the 3400H as a 3rd option due to the rave reviews that the 3400H got online and it just seemed a premium AVR within the midrange price bracket. I am upgrading from a 920W and never had any of these problems with signal loss and I didn't have the issue with the brief time I had the STR-DN1080, just massive input switching lag on that receiver. I had the 940H for 2 days and both days I had to hardline power down the cable box. Anything I should be looking at under my settings or tips would be greatly appreciated.
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I've had my new 3400H now for about a week and a half and the strangest thing is going on with my Xfinity XG1v4 box. I am constantly having to unplug it and plug back in due to losing signal. I have a Sony 900e and I'm always having to fight this thing. Xfinity came out yesterday and switched the box out but today it's doing the same thing. Whats weird is that I originally bought both a 940H as well as a Sony STR-DN1080 but somehow I ended up getting the 3400H as a 3rd option due to the rave reviews that the 3400H got online and it just seemed a premium AVR within the midrange price bracket. I am upgrading from a 920W and never had any of these problems with signal loss and I didn't have the issue with the brief time I had the STR-DN1080, just massive input switching lag on that receiver. I had the 940H for 2 days and both days I had to hardline power down the cable box. Anything I should be looking at under my settings or tips would be greatly appreciated.
Try connecting to each of the other HDMI inputs on the X3400H to see if one works better than the current one being used.
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I've had my new 3400H now for about a week and a half and the strangest thing is going on with my Xfinity XG1v4 box. I am constantly having to unplug it and plug back in due to losing signal. I have a Sony 900e and I'm always having to fight this thing. Xfinity came out yesterday and switched the box out but today it's doing the same thing. Whats weird is that I originally bought both a 940H as well as a Sony STR-DN1080 but somehow I ended up getting the 3400H as a 3rd option due to the rave reviews that the 3400H got online and it just seemed a premium AVR within the midrange price bracket. I am upgrading from a 920W and never had any of these problems with signal loss and I didn't have the issue with the brief time I had the STR-DN1080, just massive input switching lag on that receiver. I had the 940H for 2 days and both days I had to hardline power down the cable box. Anything I should be looking at under my settings or tips would be greatly appreciated.
I have the 3400 and Xfinity -- I'm not sure on the model of the box, it's the one that can do voice, amazon prime/netflix/youtube apps, 1080p60, DVR to other satellite boxes -- but I have not experienced your issue. I do have HDMI-CEC enabled and I see that the box does communicate properly with the receiver, especially in terms of powering it on when the TV and/or receiver turns on. Either way (with or without HDMI-CEC enabled to the box), I don't really have any kind of loss of signal in the way you describe. If anything, I might guess that your HDMI cord(s) may be to blame, as it resets with a power cycle (of sorts) and it seems to be intermittent enough. Even if the cable that Xfinity gives has all the right & top specs (which I have my doubts about in general), the cables between the receiver and TV may not; and/or these cables may have grown old and degraded -- I remember having these types of issues when first viewing 4k 60hz HDR video set up on my PS4 Pro.
Actually, come to think of it now, it might be a combination of your HDMI cords and/or the upscaling that the receiver does -- if you have it to upscale to 4k 60hz, it takes the xfinity box's signal of 1080p60 max and "processes" it -- then it would come up with this issues; either your HDMI cables does not have the specs for full 4k UHD resolution (which is 18 GBPS for the HDMI cable) and/or it may have gotten old and lost its "integrity" to pass that type of signal. You might be able to confirm this by disabling the upscaling (in Settings, Video, Output Settings) and see if the issue persists. If it does not, then this could be a stop-gap fix, but it is rather nice to get the Xfinity video signal upconverted and it would be a shame to miss out...

Good luck and hope this ends up helping...
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I recently bought a display model 4400h but it came with no Audyssey mike. Since I already own a 3400h, can I use the 3400h Audyssey mike with the 4400h AVR?
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Denon x3400H Overheating?

I've had a couple JBL 590s and 2 Klipsch R15M surrounds in a 4.1 for a year or so and haven't had any issues and then last week I added a 520C and replaced the 15M's with 290s and the receiver is acting very odd. I cranked about 10 songs to -15db to break in the new 290s yesterday without any issues but today the receiver is randomly just shutting off entirely even at like -20db low volume generic TV shows. Are these speakers too much to handle? The top feels decently warm.

Edit: Not sure what's going on, I think it's more to do with Anynet+ being completely haywire. Do most people disable that "feature"? I have a Harmony so really no point having the TV being smart enough to inform everything of what's going on.

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I recently bought a display model 4400h but it came with no Audyssey mike. Since I already own a 3400h, can I use the 3400h Audyssey mike with the 4400h AVR?
Yes. Same exact mic for both models. Any Audyssey mic released with any Audyssey model since 2009 can also be used.
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Yes. Same exact mic for both models. Any Audyssey mic released with any Audyssey model since 2009 can also be used.
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It seems that you can't do Zone2ing using the AUX 1 input (at least on my 3400h). Is that true?
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@Majicpanda the anynet is like cec which controls equipment, so maybe it is turning off the x3400 randomly?

Try turning it off and see what happens.

Double check your wiring too.

I believe Denons get warm, but should not be hot to the touch. You can always add an aircom as a cheap insurance policy https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-R...gateway&sr=8-1
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I've had my new 3400H now for about a week and a half and the strangest thing is going on with my Xfinity XG1v4 box. I am constantly having to unplug it and plug back in due to losing signal. I have a Sony 900e and I'm always having to fight this thing. Xfinity came out yesterday and switched the box out but today it's doing the same thing. Whats weird is that I originally
bought both a 940H as well as a Sony STR-DN1080 but somehow I ended up getting the 3400H as a 3rd option due to the rave reviews that the 3400H got online and it just seemed a premium AVR within the midrange price bracket. I am upgrading from a 920W and never had any of these problems with signal loss and I didn't have the issue with the brief time I had the STR-DN1080, just massive input switching lag on that receiver. I had the 940H for 2 days and both days I had to hardline power down the cable box. Anything I should be looking at under my settings or tips would be greatly appreciated.
Would pester comcast again, believe that this 4k arris box has some qc issues. My first would not synch any of their remotes correctly.. box was defective. Second box perfect..4k, 1080p all good...no signal loss etc. Dont believe is your Denon causing issue...
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@Majicpanda the anynet is like cec which controls equipment, so maybe it is turning off the x3400 randomly?

Try turning it off and see what happens.

Double check your wiring too.

I believe Denons get warm, but should not be hot to the touch. You can always add an aircom as a cheap insurance policy https://www.amazon.com/AC-Infinity-R...gateway&sr=8-1
I think it did in fact turn out to be the Anynet and the new Nvidia Shield I purchased. I got a few too many toys at the same time and had to really think about it Just watched 2 movies in a row no problem.. whew, I definitely couldn't have gotten a $500 external Amp approved through the wife after buying 290s as surrounds and a 520c lol. Still trying to nudge things around to get the VTF-3 MK5!
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Would pester comcast again, believe that this 4k arris box has some qc issues. My first would not synch any of their remotes correctly.. box was defective. Second box perfect..4k, 1080p all good...no signal loss etc. Dont believe is your Denon causing issue...

Am I the only one seeing this gobbledygook? I have seen a few posts like this lately. I guess I should make note of the senders going forward. I was wondering whether it is my browser misinterpreting certain characters. Maybe not understanding some character sets ?? (or something).
I became more curious when @Madmax67 liked the post. I couldn't figure out what was being said well enough to decide whether I liked it or not.
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Am I the only one seeing this gobbledygook? I have seen a few posts like this lately. I guess I should make note of the senders going forward. I was wondering whether it is my browser misinterpreting certain characters. Maybe not understanding some character sets ?? (or something).
I became more curious when @Madmax67 liked the post. I couldn't figure out what was being said well enough to decide whether I liked it or not.
Same here. Has been popping up more and more lately. The crap always replaces an "S"

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Yeah it's happening over at overclock.net as well. Which shares the same platform. Same issue with the letter S.


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Am I the only one seeing this gobbledygook? I have seen a few posts like this lately. I guess I should make note of the senders going forward. I was wondering whether it is my browser misinterpreting certain characters. Maybe not understanding some character sets ?? (or something).
I became more curious when @Madmax67 liked the post. I couldn't figure out what was being said well enough to decide whether I liked it or not.
Not everyone posting here is from the U.S. so minor grammatical errors are common. I upvoted it because cable/ sat boxes are notorious problem childs and getting a "new" one from the provider usually only means it's new to you.

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