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Is there a way you make a certain source default to a specific sound seeing. I want Blu Ray to always default to "Multi in" but it likes to go back to stereo on its own often.


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If you don't select "bitstream" on the Blu Ray player, then it should default to PCM and the AVR would then read "Multi CH In."
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If you don't select "bitstream" on the Blu Ray player, then it should default to PCM and the AVR would then read "Multi CH In."


Sorry it's actually an HTPC hooked up to that input. The default seems to be stereo. Often when I change inputs it stays on stereo. Even with multiple channel audio playing. I have to hit the "movie" listening mode button once and it will go to multi in.


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Sorry it's actually an HTPC hooked up to that input. The default seems to be stereo. Often when I change inputs it stays on stereo. Even with multiple channel audio playing. I have to hit the "movie" listening mode button once and it will go to multi in.


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HTPC issue then.
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HTPC issue then.
That what? It doesn't always tell the receiver it's outputting multi channel PCM?
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That what? It doesn't always tell the receiver it's outputting multi channel PCM?
The AVR can only play what it receives. If PCM, then "Multi Ch In" is displayed. If stereo, then "Stereo".
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The AVR can only play what it receives. If PCM, then "Multi Ch In" is displayed. If stereo, then "Stereo".
Sorry what I am saying is that it will play it, but doesn't seem to always detect it. Sometimes I can play a multi channel flac track, and the receiver will stay at the Stereo setting. Even though the track is not stereo.

When I push the "Movie" listening mode once the first option is "Multi In', it will then begin to play the track correctly.
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Sorry what I am saying is that it will play it, but doesn't seem to always detect it. Sometimes I can play a multi channel flac track, and the receiver will stay at the Stereo setting. Even though the track is not stereo.

When I push the "Movie" listening mode once the first option is "Multi In', it will then begin to play the track correctly.
Try doing a "soft reset" by setting the AVR to standby and unplugging the power cable for 10 minutes. The AVR should remember the mode selected for each source input audio.
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Try doing a "soft reset" by setting the AVR to standby and unplugging the power cable for 10 minutes. The AVR should remember the mode selected for each source input audio.
Ok will do thanks man.
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Probably direct from Outlaw Audio...
https://www.outlawaudio.com/products/5000.html
Thank you, will look into it.
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I ordered straight from Outlaw, not sure what your budget is, but the $650 is a worthy investment for the long run.
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Yes, you will need 4CH of external amplification to power the 4 extra speakers beyond the 9 the X4400H can power.
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I added the Outlaw 5000 (5ch @ 120w per ch @ 8 ohms) it's a great amp and built like a tank (50lbs) The Outlaw runs main 5 and the X4400 runs the rest.
Are there other recommendations that are easier on the wallet? I guess I am looking for an amp that can handle a good amount of RMS?
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Are there other recommendations that are easier on the wallet? I guess I am looking for an amp that can handle a good amount of RMS?
https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/a-500

It costs less than the Outlaw, but it has also less power. You really aren't going to be able to go much, if any less for multi channel amps.
I don't remember what exactly you needed the amp for, but if it's not high power, you could just get two inexpensive stereo amps.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_543P75....html?tp=48757
https://www.amazon.ca/Russound-P75-2.../dp/B00NMUE2P4
Two of them would give you 4x60 watts. 4 of them bridged would give you 4x160 watts if you have 8 ohm speakers or higher, still be less $ than the emo or Outlaw while putting out more power!

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https://emotiva.com/collections/amps/products/a-500

It costs less than the Outlaw, but it has also less power. You really aren't going to be able to go much, if any less for multi channel amps.
I don't remember what exactly you needed the amp for, but if it's not high power, you could just get two inexpensive stereo amps.
https://www.crutchfield.com/p_543P75....html?tp=48757
https://www.amazon.ca/Russound-P75-2.../dp/B00NMUE2P4
Two of them would give you 4x60 watts. 4 of them bridged would give you 4x160 watts if you have 8 ohm speakers or higher, still be less $ than the emo or Outlaw while putting out more power!
Thx for reply, currently had a 7.1 setup, building a new house and will have 11 speakers (more of a 7.1.4) and then I have 2 speakers in my kitchen. Now, my avr can handle 9 channels, but need another amp for the 2 additional speakers and needed another for my two kitchen speakers for Zone 2, which on my AVR are RCA and therefore not powered and require another amp.

I have a Denon X4400 AVR, with RTIA9 fronts, Polk CSiA6 200 watt center channel, Polk HTS 12" 400 watt Sub, 4 x Polk RC60i (in ceiling), 2 x Polk RC65i (in wall), 2 x nuance (use them as rears) and then 2 x Polk RC60i for my kitchen speakers.

Hope this helps.

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Thx for reply, currently had a 7.1 setup, building a new house and will have 11 speakers (more of a 7.1.4) and then I have 2 speakers in my kitchen. Now, my avr can handle 9 channels, but need another amp for the 2 additional speakers and needed another for my two kitchen speakers for Zone 2, which on my AVR are RCA and therefore not powered and require another amp.

I have a Denon X4400 AVR, with RTIA9 fronts, Polk CSiA6 200 watt center channel, Polk HTS 12" 400 watt Sub, 4 x Polk RC60i (in ceiling), 2 x Polk RC65i (in wall), 2 x nuance (use them as rears) and then 2 x Polk RC60i for my kitchen speakers.

Hope this helps.

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Well, the most cost efficient thing to do is to buy two of those Russound amps, use 1 for one pair of Atmos speakers, and the other for kitchen speakers, and the Denon for everything else.
If you would like more power for the mains, get three of the Russound amps, bridge two for the fronts(RTIA9)(160 watts channel)), use the Denon for all the other speakers in the room, and use the 3rd Russound for the kitchen speakers(60 watts channel).

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Well, the most cost efficient thing to do is to buy two of those Russound amps, use 1 for one pair of Atmos speakers, and the other for kitchen speakers, and the Denon for everything else.
If you would like more power for the mains, get three of the Russound amps, bridge two for the fronts(RTIA9)(160 watts channel)), use the Denon for all the other speakers in the room, and use the 3rd Russound for the kitchen speakers(60 watts channel).
Thank you for your help. I will look into this with more detail.
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AVR-X6400h - Volume meter doesn't work in 4k

So I read in the forum FAQ at the top that this model is "able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision)." I am unable to display the volume bar on 4k sources. It works on non-4k sources. I don't use Dolby Vision. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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So I read in the forum FAQ at the top that this model is "able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision)." I am unable to display the volume bar on 4k sources. It works on non-4k sources. I don't use Dolby Vision. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance.
What is your source device? Some 4K disc spinners have faux Dolby Vision settings. Try a soft reset of the receiver and check again.

2. Soft reset - set the AVR to Standby and unplug the power cord for about 10 minutes, then plug back in the power cord and turn ON.

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So I read in the forum FAQ at the top that this model is "able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision)." I am unable to display the volume bar on 4k sources. It works on non-4k sources. I don't use Dolby Vision. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance.


What model do you have? There are models in this years (2017 model year) lineup that don’t have this feature


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Correct for S530BT, S730 and X1400. S930 able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision) but only at 24/30Hz, not at 60Hz and only when Video Mode is not set to "Bypass". I forgot to ask the users specific model. My bad.

EDIT: Looked in his post history. He has the X6400H.

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Yea it's the X6400h. At the very top of this board under the FAQ it specifically calls out my model and that's where I saw the quote:

X6400H - MSRP ($2199), 11.2CH, 140W, HDMI In/Out (8/3, main/main/Zone 2 outputs) avail Aug
Upgrading from the X4400H adds: 2 additional on board amps, more robust amps, mfr'd in Japan, gold plated connectors, Dialog Enhancer, two internal cooling fans, 5.1 CH full bi-amp -FL/FR/C/SL/SR, and Auro 3D Voice of God/Top Surround via either the Subwoofer pre-out 2 or the Surround Back L speaker post. Although unable to display the GUI on 4k video, able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision).
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Yea it's the X6400h. At the very top of this board under the FAQ it specifically calls out my model and that's where I saw the quote:

X6400H - MSRP ($2199), 11.2CH, 140W, HDMI In/Out (8/3, main/main/Zone 2 outputs) avail Aug
Upgrading from the X4400H adds: 2 additional on board amps, more robust amps, mfr'd in Japan, gold plated connectors, Dialog Enhancer, two internal cooling fans, 5.1 CH full bi-amp -FL/FR/C/SL/SR, and Auro 3D Voice of God/Top Surround via either the Subwoofer pre-out 2 or the Surround Back L speaker post. Although unable to display the GUI on 4k video, able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision).
I have the x6400h and it works fine for me. What source do you have the issue with? I have a FireTV Stick 4k, Nvidia Shield, ATV 4k, and a Sony x700 BR player as video sources and have no issues having it display the volume overlay on any of them. The info display overlay works as well.

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So I read in the forum FAQ at the top that this model is "able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision)." I am unable to display the volume bar on 4k sources. It works on non-4k sources. I don't use Dolby Vision. Anyone have any ideas? Thanks in advance.
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Yea it's the X6400h. At the very top of this board under the FAQ it specifically calls out my model and that's where I saw the quote:

X6400H - MSRP ($2199), 11.2CH, 140W, HDMI In/Out (8/3, main/main/Zone 2 outputs) avail Aug
Upgrading from the X4400H adds: 2 additional on board amps, more robust amps, mfr'd in Japan, gold plated connectors, Dialog Enhancer, two internal cooling fans, 5.1 CH full bi-amp -FL/FR/C/SL/SR, and Auro 3D Voice of God/Top Surround via either the Subwoofer pre-out 2 or the Surround Back L speaker post. Although unable to display the GUI on 4k video, able to display the volume bar/Info on 4k video (except Dolby Vision).
I think an important thing to check is based on the fact that in order for it to show the volume bar is that the video needs to "process" and/or upconvert the signal; you can find it in Settings, Video, Output Settings where "Video Conversion" needs to be set to "On" -- but also, the key thing, is that this setting is input particular, so maybe this could be on for your analog ("non-4k sources") but is set to off/disabled and straight "passthrough" for your HDMI 4k input/signals...

Just a thought...but hopefully is ultimately helpful...

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I think an important thing to check is based on the fact that in order for it to show the volume bar is that the video needs to "process" and/or upconvert the signal; you can find it in Settings, Video, Output Settings where "Video Conversion" needs to be set to "On" -- but also, the key thing, is that this setting is input particular, so maybe this could be on for your analog ("non-4k sources") but is set to off/disabled and straight "passthrough" for your HDMI 4k input/signals...

Just a thought...but hopefully is ultimately helpful...
Ahh, that makes sense. How can it add the volume bar to the video with that setting of. Well, I think that's it for sure. I'll try it later.

The reason I turned that setting off is that I was told by many that I should let the Projector do the upconvert (Epson 5040) and turn off upconversion on both the player (Sony x700) and the receiver (x6400h). I also heard having too many upconversions in the mix that the end result can be worse looking output. What is your take on this?

Thanks for the helpful responses!
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Ahh, that makes sense. How can it add the volume bar to the video with that setting of. Well, I think that's it for sure. I'll try it later.



The reason I turned that setting off is that I was told by many that I should let the Projector do the upconvert (Epson 5040) and turn off upconversion on both the player (Sony x700) and the receiver (x6400h). I also heard having too many upconversions in the mix that the end result can be worse looking output. What is your take on this?



Thanks for the helpful responses!
That's not what that setting does. The one for upscaling is called I/P scaler. That setting has nothing to do with affecting the volume overlay. It's the Video Conversion setting that needs to be set to On for the volume to overlay and you already stated it was working for 1080P sources meaning it has to already be on. If that's not the case like you mentioned earlier them yes definitely turn on the video conversion setting. For edification there will be no volume overlay on any resolution with Video Conversion set to off. That's why I didn't mention it earlier.

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Hi, Has anyone had any success with adding a Sony Headset to a Denon X6400H AVR? I am looking to set up my Receiver to send sound to my headset Sony WH-1000X3 M3 to be exact.

attached to my Denon X6400H is an LG Oled B7 65" TV So not sure if the sound should be coming from AVR which is how I have my LG Oled TV set up. what Equipment would I need to add the Headset? Thanks for your response.
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so dave at ascend acoustics said i should not use audyssey for my ascends on my system and talked abotu the curve... we went back and forth with like 16 emails cause i feel like im not blown away as ishould be by my 340 se LCR.. and hsu sub sounds great.. just feel like deatils are missing etc etc... well i just got some 170 se off ebay and plugged them in my friends 55 watt tuner in the shop downstairs at his house where i stay when im working weekends and those 170 se blew me away with detail and clarity and accuracy.... i boosted the treble on them a little and bass at 3 pm and man they to me sound better than my 340 se on my x4400h.... does anyone know the proper setup for these on the denons.... i mean dave linked me to a thread here and said look for your amp.. and well that thread is 2600 posts.. i searched it with 340 se and 340 and ascend and x4400h and got no hits.... im so lost i have no idea where to go or what to do about gettin my sound pristine as it should be with these rock stars speakers and amp..... he hasnt replied to my emails sicne 2 days ago and i na way i cant blame him i feel like an annoying noob. and im a professional dj for 27 yrs.. but HT systems are all new to me... i did figure out how to turn off audyssey and pull up graphic eq but there is no option for just treble.. maybe thats all im missing i dont know...... in no way am i disrespecting david or ascend.. i love their customer service and personal replies... like i said i cant blame him.... anyhow pls someone help me and direct me at what i should be doing or where im goin wrong...... i was about to bu yan outlaw 5000 but he said thats prob not the solution im looking for at this moment.. im leanin toward treble and mids and highs maybe for clarity or i could be all together wrong about whats not right in my setup..... i truly appreciate any and all genuine replies without sarcasm or putting me down for askin for direction.. thanks all

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Hi, Has anyone had any success with adding a Sony Headset to a Denon X6400H AVR? I am looking to set up my Receiver to send sound to my headset Sony WH-1000X3 M3 to be exact.

attached to my Denon X6400H is an LG Oled B7 65" TV So not sure if the sound should be coming from AVR which is how I have my LG Oled TV set up. what Equipment would I need to add the Headset? Thanks for your response.
I believe that you should have enough luck connecting it through bluetooth, but I can't say for absolute certain because I have the MDR1000X (the first generation of that headset) and the X3400H. If that is unsatisfactory or doesn't work, I imagine something like THIS might work as I set something similar up for my PS4 Pro to connect to my analog input gaming chair....

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so dave at ascend acoustics said i should not use audyssey for my ascends on my system and talked abotu the curve... we went back and forth with like 16 emails cause i feel like im not blown away as ishould be by my 340 se LCR.. and hsu sub sounds great..
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i truly appreciate any and all genuine replies without sarcasm or putting me down for askin for direction.. thanks all
So, I suggest you reconsidering not running Audyssey calibration set-up -- what many/most of us do is run the award winning renown Audyssey to measure distance and initial levels; then, after, we switch to "Manual" mode and personally tweak the settings to fit our preferences and/or get the best out of it all...
First and foremost is (if you haven't done so yet) for you to fully read the first posts of this thread -- particularly/specifically post #3 section 1-b and 10-d -- to be sure you are familiarized with the good base knowledge like at what clock position to start the sub(s) with, how to handle crossover frequency, which speakers are to be set to "Large" or "Small", etc.
As you will find in those sections, it really helps explain and list how to have your subwoofers deal with most/all lower frequencies; thus, allowing more of the sound above a certain Hz (hence, utilizing the crossover setting) to be outputting through your LCR's and hopefully a more crystal and detailed sound. Also, it explains why Audyssey might not get figures absolutely and accurately exact and correct; which is to create a sort of "soundscape" versus a straight wall-of-speaker sound and uses various "adjustments" to speaker distance and levels to achieve it...
After all of this, as I said previously, is where many/most of us do personal tweaks to fit our liking/preference. Here is a couple of suggestions that I employ on mine that you might find useful/effective; I personally like to use Multi Ch Stereo or DTS Neural:X, but I've found that many here who are using all of this for music listening prefer "Pure Direct" ("This mode plays back an even higher quality sound than the “Direct” mode. The following circuits are stopped in order to further improve sound quality." from manual) or "Direct" or plain "Stereo". If you've learned anything from the first posts of this thread, set Crossovers to at least 80Hz or above (hopefully not too high above or else you risk having your subs attempt to output some sound/frequencies that are best done by real speakers and not subwoofers...). As for "Subwoofer Mode", I do prefer having it set to LFE+Main (maybe because I utilize the dual-sub MultEQ-XT32 set up), but set it lower than the default (120Hz) as to be sure that, again, the subs aren't outputting sound that would sound better out of the speakers (in my case, 100Hz is what it is set at). Beyond these Audyssey settings, I suggest & have it set like this; in the "Sound Parameter" settings, I have Cinema EQ enabled, Loudness Management set to "Off" (I rather personally and manually manage any peaks or "loudness" myself, to be sure the sound isn't dampened or lowered more than I intend...), Dynamic Compression set to "Off", and "Low Frequency Effects" (LFE) set to -10dB (For proper playback of the different sources, we recommend setting to the values below. Dolby Digital sources: 0 dB DTS movie sources: 0 dB DTS music sources: -10 dB" from manual) -- personal experience; I initially had this set to the default of 0dB, but for a couple of weeks had to go without my subs, so I set these in hopes to regain a bit of it through the speakers, and found that it really outputs a considerable amount "fuller" of an experience. In the Audyssey settings (under Settings/Audio), I have the MultEQ® XT32 set to "Reference", Dynamic EQ set to "On", Reference Level Offset set to "10 dB" (here is where you may want to decide on your own as every iteration of 5 is good for different things like "cinema", jazz or other music, classical or pop/rock, etc.), Dynamic Volume set to "Off" (again, I rather be the one to manually manage these types of things), and Audyssey LFC set to "Off" (although I do turn this on and put the Containment Amount to 7 if I don't want the sound to penetrate walls or to other rooms...).
I've found these settings really make a bright (aka good amount of "treble") and satisfying sound all around and may make a good base for you to start with -- especially considering that you are speaking about "treble" specific adjustments where these speakers and AVR doesn't really manage the speaker and sound in that way. If these and none other you find work, then it really may be your speakers.



Hope this helps some....

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that all makes some sense to me.. see ive been a club dj for 23 yrs and was in radio before that so i am very very picky and stuck up when it comes to quality sound. so far as the first few settings you mentioned and such. i have run audyssey a number of times and every time i move a speaker or add one or two or whatever.. its been run many times... i have ascend acoustics all around and they are top of the lien quality speakers and dave said i shouldnt be feelin like im missing out in any way shape or form... i agree.

i have my LCR at 80 hz and small... though audyssey likes to set them to large and 40 i go in and change that per ascend. i have dynamic eq and volume off. though sometimes ill put cinema or dynamic eq on depending on content... man its late and you wrote a lot im gonna have to reread and go through it again when i get up i n the morning. its been a long day and its 3 am.. i dunno where to even start ya wrote so much and thank you for the detailed response dude i truly appreciate you taking the time to do that..... im really gonna have to read all of this a couple times to get it all in my skull... i of course would run audyssey for the basics. and then go from there. i got so far as getting to the graphic eq but i honestly am not sure where to start with that per say i def dont wanna mess anything up or blow anything though i dont think thats possible.. with the setup. i sat there starin at the eq levels and im like uh ok where do i start and what am i looking for and whats safe and whats not lol.... i think ill probably mess with it tomorrow.. oh thats what i was gonna say i even looked up setting u pthe sub right cause that was so low before. i did the crawl and everything and i actually put the sub to the rear left of main listening position and it sounds phenomenal.. i did the distance trick with the sub but foudn it not necessary in that position and i also put the decibels to 80 81 when i ran audyssey which gave me a perfect -9.5 in the calibration.. and if iwant more sub i move it from between 9 oclock to 12 o clcok and it drops and feels amazing.... sitting on the couch the sub sounds like its coming from the front speakers... its super deceiving and sweet sounding but its those fine details i feel im missing out on on the mids and highs..

i feel like it could be way more crisp and detailed. like the john wick scenes i ran to test it out just feels like there is more goign on in the video than i am hearing ya know.. im getting most of it but its just not giving me the depth i expect and details. so far as music and pure direct ihadnt even thought of that.. i am a dj so i listen to all kinds of stuff but i have noticed when im playing music even breakbeats and edm where i know it should have this deep bass and strength then ti seems weak even with volume up. which is another point when im watchin movies and tv i have the tv volume reading 75 which is damn clsoe to maxed out and its quiet up to 60.. not sure off the top of my head what level that is reading out on on the denon unit but at times depending on the surround format i can turn it to max and its def not as loud as id expect it to be and for maxed out i would think it would be blowin out my drums but its not.. this is all very hard to explain by typing and trying to hitthe major points or make the points im trying to make or explain it fully and accurately what im getting at. dunno if this is even making freakin sense how im trying ot explain my issue. heh

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that all makes some sense to me.. see ive been a club dj for 23 yrs and was in radio before that so i am very very picky and stuck up when it comes to quality sound. so far as the first few settings you mentioned and such. i have run audyssey a number of times and every time i move a speaker or add one or two or whatever.. its been run many times... i have ascend acoustics all around and they are top of the lien quality speakers and dave said i shouldnt be feelin like im missing out in any way shape or form... i agree.

i have my LCR at
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this is all very hard to explain by typing and trying to hitthe major points or make the points im trying to make or explain it fully and accurately what im getting at. dunno if this is even making freakin sense how im trying ot explain my issue. heh
Yeah...I'm happy to help...and honestly, I type extremely fast so that kind of response isn't too big of a deal and I (usually) get tend to let it "get away from myself" and over-speak...

So...a couple of things I wanted to mention now because I probably will forget them by tomorrow and then I'll finally hit the sack; Just making sure & to confirm, you have run Audyssey a couple of times you say, but confirming if you have changed it to "Manual Setup" and not kept it as the automatic setup it keeps it as from the calibration. Also, with your 4 atmos/height speakers, what do you have set in "Amp Assign"? If that is set improperly, that could easily very well be the reason why sound isn't coming out full and/or correctly necessarily... Just for reference, I usually have TV viewing at around 55, 63 for video games, and it's full-on loud cinematic viewing at 71-73 and I have found many times that certain sources and under certain sound modes, things can sound really seemingly muffled in comparison to full on Multi Ch Stereo or Auto Surround, but that's meant to create a particular surround sound that only certain sounds come out through certain speakers; but, if anything, it really shouldn't be described as "quiet" at 60...If anything, you can/should modify (in the Manual settings) the levels for the specific channels (like I said, we all manually adjust to our tastes after the initial Audyssey calibration, this is an example of such) and/or "Channel Level Adjust" (from the Options button) -- please be aware that this is Source "attached". Actually, just now looking at the manual on this, this is also where you can adjust a section under "Adjust Tone" in which, after turning "On", gives you an actual option to adjust for treble and bass +/-6dB (which is exactly what you're seeking!!!). In any case, again, these are the areas to "tweak" so you can (hopefully) get the experience you desire and is what many/most of us do -- and maybe not necessarily (or it might be beyond most of us) tweak the Graphic EQ...

Oh, and btw, the HSU is just phenominal, ain't it?!!

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