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thx for that heads-up, it's interesting to see the evolution from audyssey pro on a pc being abandoned, in favor of the smartphone app.
Audyssey Pro cost several hundred dollars plus a $150 licensing fee and almost no one but the biggest propeller heads ever made much use out of it.

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Just a FYI, I have had the Av7703, AV7704, and now the AV8805 and you cannot upload other AV Aud versions into a different AV model. You need to do a new calibration on the new AV/R.

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Audyssey Pro cost several hundred dollars plus a $150 licensing fee and almost no one but the biggest propeller heads ever made much use out of it.
ouch... it was doomed to fail at that price, and porting it over to the smartphone was just another step in the wrong direction.

so much unused potential :-/ but at least we have rew :-)
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ouch... it was doomed to fail at that price, and porting it over to the smartphone was just another step in the wrong direction.



so much unused potential :-/ but at least we have rew :-)
Agree with the former. Disagree with the latter. It's reached way more users this way in the generation of mobile device and tablet ownership over Pc's. However I use MultEQ on my laptop just fine.

REW is a great measuring tool for positioning and time aligning multiple subwoofers with each other and your mains but it doesn't have to be a binary choice using REW or using the app. Use both. For those who want a more PC friendly room correction suite $450 gets you Dirac 2 channel correction and $750 gets you multi channel correction.

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so much unused potential :-/ but at least we have rew :-)
Is it possible to combine REW with the multEQ Editor app? I have the Marantz AV8805.

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Agree with the former. Disagree with the latter. It's reached way more users this way in the generation of mobile device and tablet ownership over Pc's. However I use MultEQ on my laptop just fine.
being forced to use bloated, inefficient, and sometimes insecure spamware android emulators to run the app under a pc operating system just proves that it should have been a pc program to begin with... you are contradicting yourself.

i was an i.t. sys admin in a previous life, and based on that experience, my opinion is that this app would have gotten far better acceptance on a computer, with greater potential for increased functionality.
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Is it possible to combine REW with the multEQ Editor app? I have the Marantz AV8805.

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indirectly, yes!

among other things, you need rew for proper subwoofer placement, which is one of the most critical aspects of setting up a home theatre audio system... we just had someone post a testimonial to that a few days ago out here.

do that first, then run multieq, and follow up with a rew measurement, to see what changes multieq made.
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indirectly, yes!

among other things, you need rew for proper subwoofer placement, which is one of the most critical aspects of setting up a home theatre audio system... we just had someone post a testimonial to that a few days ago out here.

do that first, then run multieq, and follow up with a rew measurement, to see what changes multieq made.

Thanks for this, I’ll look for it!

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being forced to use bloated, inefficient, and sometimes insecure spamware android emulators to run the app under a pc operating system just proves that it should have been a pc program to begin with... you are contradicting yourself.
First thing. No one is forcing you or anyone, including me(assuming we're both above the age of consent) to use anything. I don't play the "I'm a victim" game very well at 52 years of age and consumers still have free will and the power of the purse last time I checked.

Secondly the program is a free emulator. I could give 2 ***ts whether it has ads or bloat just that it works. Many free executables operate the exact same way and are used all the time. Malwarebytes is your friend as well.

Not a contradiction at all. I never said it should have been an executable for 20 bucks. You did.



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i was an i.t. sys admin in a previous life, and based on that experience, my opinion is that this app would have gotten far better acceptance on a computer, with greater potential for increased functionality.
Respectfully, opinions are like you know what. Everybody's got one and many of them still smell. Maybe in the future it becomes a more full formed exe.program at an additional cost and then you can switch to complaining that it's not $20 anymore.

My brother is also a long time IT specialist for an insurance firm. His son has never owned a watch, a PC or a TV set. Better acceptance by a shrinking minority wasn't in their business model for 20 bucks. Like I said earlier $750 gets you what you want. Will that be cash, check or credit card?

I use REW( I have for a few years now.) REW could be more user friendly and have less technical user guides but they don't. Bitching on the internet about it all day ain't going to change it. I just did all the deep dive reading and trial and error stuff and got it to work.

I now use the MULT EQ app. It's limited in it's correction abilities but long time contributors like Batpig and others here have seemed to found a way to see past any Festivus type behavior and get good personal results for their 20 dollar investment.

You obviously feel differently and that's like.... your opinion man. This particular conversation however is now over and out.

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Question about using app and audyssey..

If I don't want to use audyssey on my subs (as I have an external eq for them), can I :

Turn off subs and use app to measure just speakers..

Then after eq is calculated, on Marantz turn back on sub and make all the speakers small? Will audyssey eq still be active on speakers except sub ?

Or when you turn back on sub does it not allow audyssey to be used and you have to re measure...
Not possible. You can't choose to not EQ any specific speakers, and if you add a speaker after running Audyssey it will disable the whole shebang because it will want you to re-run calibration.

The only practical option is to edit the "filter frequency range" and just lower the Sub frequency range to the minimum value (20Hz) so no EQ is applied above 20Hz (i.e. the realistic passband of the subwoofer).
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Mark, I am using REW HDMI from a laptop (7.1 capable) to the front (AUX 1) input on the Marantz AV8805, which is showing Multi CH input. I am confident that Audyssey was working, because I made the 12 recommended measurements from the REW 101 guide, and was turning Audyssey on and off during that process. I can see the difference in the measurements also.

Regarding the subwoofer distance adjustments to optimize the blend at the crossover, here is my graph. While not that great a difference, I followed the Audyssey Sub Distance Tweak Procedure. I am still new at REW, so any input would be appreciated.

Edit: I uploaded a corrected (unsmoothed and properly spaced) graph. Apparently, the graphs are zoomed out when the images are captured, so I zoomed in more (2 dB on the X-axis) to get to the 5 dB rendering below.

Also, does anyone think I can add a 5 dB boost at 37-38 Hz to correct that dip at 37.73 Hz? I am not sure if that is a null or not, but my room is treated with a lot of super-chunks on the front wall.



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It wasn't clear if you were using REW as the test signal source. How are you testing the height channel SPL levels from the HDMI input?

You should be able to add the bump in the response where you are measuring the dip. Be sure to take a listen with it on/off, as there may be more ringing in that range or a peak at some other measurement locations. I would also look at raising the sub level by 5-6dB overall (post Audyssey) and then coming back to measure the crossover range as the interaction will change some.
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ignorance is bliss, but really, that's not the right approach for protecting your computer in this day and age.

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Not a contradiction at all. I never said it should have been an executable for 20 bucks.
no, you are claiming that making it a smartphone app was the best way to do it, while at the same time directly contradicting yourself by running it on a pc, rather than the smartphone that it was made to be run on.

audyssey should have continued the development of their pro software on a computer, adjusted the price where necessary, and not lost years of potential software sales.

home theatre systems have fixed locations, so where is the advantage with creating an ht app on a portable platform like android.
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It wasn't clear if you were using REW as the test signal source. How are you testing the height channel SPL levels from the HDMI input?



You should be able to add the bump in the response where you are measuring the dip. Be sure to take a listen with it on/off, as there may be more ringing in that range or a peak at some other measurement locations. I would also look at raising the sub level by 5-6dB overall (post Audyssey) and then coming back to measure the crossover range as the interaction will change some.


Mark,

I am using REW to generate the test signal. I now see the confusion about the Height channel. What I did was to move the height channel interconnects to the left channel output.

And...I just realized why they were 5 dB hot; I should have adjusted the trim on that channel to match each individual height speaker trim.

Thanks for the tips on the sub adjustments. I did increase it by 3dB, and the dip was the pretty much the same, so I have to work on it. The dip is actually a peak when Audyssey is off, so it is not a null.

For the ringing, the current waterfall looks good to me, but I will re-generate that as I make the adjustments and take new measurements and listen.

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Mark,

I am using REW to generate the test signal. I now see the confusion about the Height channel. What I did was to move the height channel interconnects to the left channel output.

And...I just realized why they were 5 dB hot; I should have adjusted the trim on that channel to match each individual height speaker trim.
I don't believe this will work, or make incorrect assumptions to get there due to the differing frequency response corrections.

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Thanks for the tips on the sub adjustments. I did increase it by 3dB, and the dip was the pretty much the same, so I have to work on it. The dip is actually a peak when Audyssey is off, so it is not a null.

For the ringing, the current waterfall looks good to me, but I will re-generate that as I make the adjustments and take new measurements and listen.

Thank you!

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Sounds like Audyssey was a little aggressive with the peak, but ultimately give a listen with and without it filled. In a longer power response it might not be as significant a dip.

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I don't believe this will work, or make incorrect assumptions to get there due to the differing frequency response corrections.
Good point. I will need an external disk. No big deal, since the bed channels were correctly set, so I am sure the heights were as well.

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Sounds like Audyssey was a little aggressive with the peak, but ultimately give a listen with and without it filled. In a longer power response it might not be as significant a dip.
What constitutes a longer power response?
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I finally got the graph to capture properly; I have an issue with my laptop making these with 5 dB increments on the vertical axis.

Here is the response I mentioned. The difference at that frequency is not that much, but I am sure there is room for improvement.



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Is the multi eq Audyssey for iPhone app worth it or helpful to calibrate?
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Is the multi eq Audyssey for iPhone app worth it or helpful to calibrate?
I take it that you're unwilling to read through the 4000+ posts.

I use the Android version, but I believe that there are supposed to be no significant feature differences from the iOS version.

It adds flexibility over what can be done with the Audyssey version in the receiver. It's not brilliant, but it's worth $20.

I'm actually running the Android version in the Blue Stacks emulator (freeware) on a Windows 10 PC. It's a lot more reliable on that than on my Samsung tablet.
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Is the multi eq Audyssey for iPhone app worth it or helpful to calibrate?
Post 4001. its very insightful, Provides a before and after, and you can manipulate the results by pulling on the curves. Well worth the $20. I cant imagine using it on small phone screen. I use it on my pc with a android emulator.
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I'm thinking about trying out the Multeq App, and have a few questions that I cab't answer from my forum searches:
1) Is there a user manual for the app somewhere? I found FAQs but no "Idiots Guide" for initial uses.
2) My smart phone is an LG with Android 6.0. All of the tested Android models seem to be Samsungs. Has anybody tried the app on an LG?
3) Are all the curve manipulations done on the Smartphone? I thought I read somewhere that the files could be edited on a PC??
4) Can the files be saved somewhere other than Google Drive?

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I'm thinking about trying out the Multeq App, and have a few questions that I cab't answer from my forum searches:
1) Is there a user manual for the app somewhere? I found FAQs but no "Idiots Guide" for initial uses.
2) My smart phone is an LG with Android 6.0. All of the tested Android models seem to be Samsungs. Has anybody tried the app on an LG?
3) Are all the curve manipulations done on the Smartphone? I thought I read somewhere that the files could be edited on a PC??
4) Can the files be saved somewhere other than Google Drive?

Thanks!
There is a link to a user manual at the bottom of Rec Head's FAQ.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post56565524

It should work on an LG if it meets the minimum memory requirements. I know someone couldn't get the app to work, and figured out it didn't have enough memory.
It is edited on a smart phone. Ratbuddy has another editor, but it is for direct manipulation of the .ADY file itself, and can be dangerous if you're not sure what you are doing, it is windows.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...app-files.html
I don't remember all the ways you can save the files, but you can save them to the phone itself.

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I'm thinking about trying out the Multeq App, and have a few questions that I cab't answer from my forum searches:
1) Is there a user manual for the app somewhere? I found FAQs but no "Idiots Guide" for initial uses.
2) My smart phone is an LG with Android 6.0. All of the tested Android models seem to be Samsungs. Has anybody tried the app on an LG?
3) Are all the curve manipulations done on the Smartphone? I thought I read somewhere that the files could be edited on a PC??
4) Can the files be saved somewhere other than Google Drive?

Thanks!
1) You just open the app, calibrate, and then you can ask questions I guess. The most important thing is to have a good calibration run, so you need to review / download the Audyseey Setup Guide.
2) It should work with any Android phone.
3) The curve manipulations can be performed on a phone (Meh!), tablet (better), Android emulator program on a PC (best), or via the Ratbuddyssey PC app (also best).
4) I think so, but check the Ratbuddyssey thread linked.
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I'm thinking about trying out the Multeq App, and have a few questions that I cab't answer from my forum searches:
1) Is there a user manual for the app somewhere? I found FAQs but no "Idiots Guide" for initial uses.
2) My smart phone is an LG with Android 6.0. All of the tested Android models seem to be Samsungs. Has anybody tried the app on an LG?
3) Are all the curve manipulations done on the Smartphone? I thought I read somewhere that the files could be edited on a PC??
4) Can the files be saved somewhere other than Google Drive?

Thanks!
I can't speak to the phone, sorry.

As for using the app it really isn't that hard. It will walk you through what to do. The nice part is that you can run the setup once then make copies of that to edit and try different things.

A lot of people come here asking what the "right" settings are. The only "right" settings are the ones that you are happy with. You just have to try a few things to see what works.

There are different ways to save the files but I can't remember them off the top of my head. I think the app brings up all your different sharing methods.
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Not possible. You can't choose to not EQ any specific speakers, and if you add a speaker after running Audyssey it will disable the whole shebang because it will want you to re-run calibration.



The only practical option is to edit the "filter frequency range" and just lower the Sub frequency range to the minimum value (20Hz) so no EQ is applied above 20Hz (i.e. the realistic passband of the subwoofer).
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I'm thinking about trying out the Multeq App, and have a few questions that I cab't answer from my forum searches:
1) Is there a user manual for the app somewhere? I found FAQs but no "Idiots Guide" for initial uses.
2) My smart phone is an LG with Android 6.0. All of the tested Android models seem to be Samsungs. Has anybody tried the app on an LG?
3) Are all the curve manipulations done on the Smartphone? I thought I read somewhere that the files could be edited on a PC??
4) Can the files be saved somewhere other than Google Drive?

Thanks!
To add to the responses you have already received:

The phone must have at least 2GB of RAM (not flash memory). If your phone lacks that, the Google Play Store won't even show you the app for download.

The app ran badly on my Samsung Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition (SM-P600), which has 3GB of RAM.

I have had better luck running it under the Blue Stacks Android emulator (freeware) on a Win10 X64 PC. It's still not what I'd call robust, but it's usable.

As regards saving files, they are stored on the device that you run the app on. The app is designed to allow the files to be uploaded to Google Drive, and you can download them onto other devices from that.
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Don't seem to have red smtg similar lately, after the last update, so I have to ask.
I had settings for two double cab Jbl 12" 1214, one cab on each channel on the Inuke 3000dsp. Before the update, maybe even with a little tweak of the curve, the Spl and Tr were seemingly adequate.
Now I have rewired the 4 Jbl ( series x 2 and then parallel to the Inuke on channel B ) and added a VBSS 18" Dayton Audio PA460 on channel A.

I can't see the predicted flat response on the Sw channel into the App. It always looks the old way, with evidence of lowered response starting from maybe 35Hz. Obviously the ear tests says there is NOW quite nothing down there in the low figures Sw channel!
What am I missing?
Does anyone has experienced similar App behaviour? How to solve/troubleshoot this?
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There is a link to a user manual at the bottom of Rec Head's FAQ.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post56565524

It should work on an LG if it meets the minimum memory requirements. I know someone couldn't get the app to work, and figured out it didn't have enough memory.
It is edited on a smart phone. Ratbuddy has another editor, but it is for direct manipulation of the .ADY file itself, and can be dangerous if you're not sure what you are doing, it is windows.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...app-files.html
I don't remember all the ways you can save the files, but you can save them to the phone itself.
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Originally Posted by ellisda1 View Post
I'm thinking about trying out the Multeq App, and have a few questions that I cab't answer from my forum searches:
1) Is there a user manual for the app somewhere? I found FAQs but no "Idiots Guide" for initial uses.
2) My smart phone is an LG with Android 6.0. All of the tested Android models seem to be Samsungs. Has anybody tried the app on an LG?
3) Are all the curve manipulations done on the Smartphone? I thought I read somewhere that the files could be edited on a PC??
4) Can the files be saved somewhere other than Google Drive?

Thanks!
I was going to ask the same question about a user manual. Glad you asked and links were supplied. I’ve got a little reading to do. I’ve being following this thread for a month or so, but it’s different when you actually go to apply what you’ve read. Thanks to those that have supplied links.

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Not possible. You can't choose to not EQ any specific speakers, and if you add a speaker after running Audyssey it will disable the whole shebang because it will want you to re-run calibration.

The only practical option is to edit the "filter frequency range" and just lower the Sub frequency range to the minimum value (20Hz) so no EQ is applied above 20Hz (i.e. the realistic passband of the subwoofer).
Did my first run yesterday with no major issues. I do have a couple of questions I think I know the answers to:
1) I can opt to not apply room correction to my mains by reducing the "filter frequency range" to 0 - is this correct?
2) If I apply EQ only to the subs by reducing the filter frequency to 0 for all other speakers, I assume that the distance calculations/time alignment is maintained?

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Did my first run yesterday with no major issues. I do have a couple of questions I think I know the answers to:
1) I can opt to not apply room correction to my mains by reducing the "filter frequency range" to 0 - is this correct?
2) If I apply EQ only to the subs by reducing the filter frequency to 0 for all other speakers, I assume that the distance calculations/time alignment is maintained?

Thanks!
Basically yes on both. The minimum frequency though is 20Hz, but good enough for this purpose. I would question why you WOULDN'T want EQ correction in the modal bass region, but that's another topic.

And yes basic settings like delay and crossovers / bass management are independent of the EQ filters.

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