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Hopefully everyone who is experiencing problems is reporting them to the app developer and/or Denon. I know responses to earlier issues weren't treated with high priority, but the more feedback the better chance we all have for a working, stable app.
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I am getting the same issue, except my fronts will stay at 90hz. All other speakers I can change to whatever and it will stick. Was only trying to change the fronts to 80hz, so it's not far off, but it's odd some folks are seeing only 40hz for their fronts and I am only seeing 90hz for my fronts.


Can’t we just send it to the avr and then change the xo in the avr menu?


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Can’t we just send it to the avr and then change the xo in the avr menu?


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I'm sure you can. I'm new to the app and Audyssey in general. I was just pointing out I was seeing the same issue. I never actually sent the modified file to the avr yet, but I will and I'm sure I can just change the crossover setting in the AVR.
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I'm sure you can. I'm new to the app and Audyssey in general. I was just pointing out I was seeing the same issue. I never actually sent the modified file to the avr yet, but I will and I'm sure I can just change the crossover setting in the AVR.


Yes you can.

I experienced crossover and distance setting and anomalies that resulted in some incorrect transpositions from the app to the AVP when using it several months ago, and I just made the appropriate adjustments in the AVP.

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Hopefully everyone who is experiencing problems is reporting them to the app developer and/or Denon. I know responses to earlier issues weren't treated with high priority, but the more feedback the better chance we all have for a working, stable app.
And rate it in the app stores making mention of what is wrong.
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What? They released a new version of this app with bugs??

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I'm enjoying the app myself. Here's a graph of my subwoofers.
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Is there a way I can send the calibration I from my iPhone to my iPad so I can take advantage of the larger screen? I have the Audyessy MultEQ app on both devices.

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Is there a way I can send the calibration I from my iPhone to my iPad so I can take advantage of the larger screen? I have the Audyessy MultEQ app on both devices.

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Yes, you can save to Google Drive or whatever might be the Apple universe equivalent and, once you've installed the app on your iPad, just choose that as location from which to load a configuration file. Or, I supposed, you could locate where the ady file is saved on the iPhone (I'm sure that info is in this thread), and then email it to yourself and access that email on you iPad and save the file to the iPad.

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Hmmmm just upgraded my receiver and I was thinking about getting this app. The reviews on the Play Store make it sound like a poor investment of $20....is that still the case? Reading through this thread is seems like it's worth it IF it works...others are saying it's completely worthless! Should I roll the dice?
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Hmmmm just upgraded my receiver and I was thinking about getting this app. The reviews on the Play Store make it sound like a poor investment of $20....is that still the case? Reading through this thread is seems like it's worth it IF it works...others are saying it's completely worthless! Should I roll the dice?
It had a rough start and I think most of those are old reviews. It's been flawless for me every time.
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Has it really improved significantly? Even most of what I've read on avs (historically at least) has mentioned long slow calibrations, frequently dropped connections, and difficulty connecting. I will get it anyway, but I'll be a lot happier if it's not a total bugfest.

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It’s been ok. You need good Wifi coverage..that’s it
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Has it really improved significantly? Even most of what I've read on avs (historically at least) has mentioned long slow calibrations, frequently dropped connections, and difficulty connecting. I will get it anyway, but I'll be a lot happier if it's not a total bugfest.

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I've run countless calibrations over the last year between moving and testing and tweaking. It's just as fast as running it through the AVR (except when you upload it it to avr and it takes an extra 45 seconds at the end, and an extra 10 seconds between each mic position).

Not sure about the connection drops, mine is solid wifi and I stay about 15' away from the avr.
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Has it really improved significantly? Even most of what I've read on avs (historically at least) has mentioned long slow calibrations, frequently dropped connections, and difficulty connecting. I will get it anyway, but I'll be a lot happier if it's not a total bugfest.

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No issues at all on my iPad. Most of the issues I've read seem to be with older devices fwiw.


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Hmmmm just upgraded my receiver and I was thinking about getting this app. The reviews on the Play Store make it sound like a poor investment of $20....is that still the case? Reading through this thread is seems like it's worth it IF it works...others are saying it's completely worthless! Should I roll the dice?
It has improved significantly but some do have issues. You need a device with at least 8 gig of RAM for it to run smoothly.
But the larger question for me is, do you really consider $20 to be an "investment"? That's the cost of a couple of burgers and fries for you and a friend, it's the waiters tip for a steak dinner. The Auro update for my Marantz 7703 was 10X that at $200.00. In the big picture of HiFi I'm sure you spend that or more on one pair of interconnect cables.I think you get my drift, that's a totally disposable amount of money.

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Awesome, that's great to hear. Thanks guys!

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I just downloaded the app to use when I install my new Canton Vento speakers. I got my 890.2 towers, waiting for the Vento 866.2 center to arrive Tuesday to run Audyssey. Have it defeated for now as I have installed the towers. Looking forward to using the app. I ran Audyssey a few times when I got my Marantz AVR. The best version was when I shut off virtually anything that made noise, removed ticking clocks, unplugged the fridge, turned off the central A/C, etc. That run turned out to be the best. I downloaded it to a thumb drive, just in case.

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The best version was when I shut off virtually anything that made noise, removed ticking clocks, unplugged the fridge, turned off the central A/C, etc. That run turned out to be the best. I downloaded it to a thumb drive, just in case.
Keeping background noise at a minimum is always the best plan.
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Am I the only one who notice that the sub ht calibration (dual subs) is not being done correctly? Every time I double check the results after calibration in REW, the subwoofer in the back needs a 9ft raise in the receiver for getting a flat bass response. Without this adjustment, the sub bass and the 40hz kick is lacking (full of dips).

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Am I the only one who notice that the sub ht calibration (dual subs) is not being done correctly? Every time I double check the results after calibration in REW, the subwoofer in the back needs a 9ft raise in the receiver for getting a flat bass response. Without this adjustment, the sub bass and the 40hz kick is lacking (full of dips).

I use the sub distance tweak with my dual subs. REW shows that adding distance to one of the subs (in my case around 2,5 feet is enough) smoothens the response quite nicely. Measurements are 8-point with Audy (20 inch apart) vs 1-point (mlp) with REW so there might be that difference though.
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Yes, you can save to Google Drive or whatever might be the Apple universe equivalent and, once you've installed the app on your iPad, just choose that as location from which to load a configuration file. Or, I supposed, you could locate where the ady file is saved on the iPhone (I'm sure that info is in this thread), and then email it to yourself and access that email on you iPad and save the file to the iPad.
Thank you for the help I was apple to use air drop on my iPhone Tovar’s iPad and it worked perfectly. As soon as I did the transfer I did get the bug that everybody is talking about, the fronts default to 40Hz.
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I use the sub distance tweak with my dual subs. REW shows that adding distance to one of the subs (in my case around 2,5 feet is enough) smoothens the response quite nicely. Measurements are 8-point with Audy (20 inch apart) vs 1-point (mlp) with REW so there might be that difference though.


True, but I measured all three seats including the MLP with REW and adding 9ft resulted in the flattest response including the flattest on the MLP.

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True, but I measured all three seats including the MLP with REW and adding 9ft resulted in the flattest response including the flattest on the MLP.

Ok. I also plan to use multipoint REW in my next calibration. Just waiting for the crossover bug to be fixed in the app...
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I use the sub distance tweak with my dual subs. REW shows that adding distance to one of the subs (in my case around 2,5 feet is enough) smoothens the response quite nicely. Measurements are 8-point with Audy (20 inch apart) vs 1-point (mlp) with REW so there might be that difference though.
“sub distance tweak”?

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In many cases, the distance set by the sub will result in a dip around the crossover due to the LCR speakers being out of phase with the sub at those frequencies. Shifting the distance (which really is delay) of the sub can bring things into phase. In some cases you may also need to tweak the crossovers, e.g. due to phase anomalies you might get smoother response with a 60Hz or 100Hz crossover vs. the typical 80Hz.

An example from a recent recalibration, this is one of the front speakers crossed over to the sub. The red line is the default distance set by Audyssey (11.9ft). The blue line is with the sub distance adjusted to 9.9ft. You can see at the default distance there is a big suckout between 75-100Hz. The small 2ft adjustment to the distance mostly corrects that (although still not perfect, there's a little dip centered around 75Hz) and there's a little dip all the way up at 150Hz which is improved as well.

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In many cases, the distance set by the sub will result in a dip around the crossover due to the LCR speakers being out of phase with the sub at those frequencies. Shifting the distance (which really is delay) of the sub can bring things into phase.......

The red line is the default distance set by Audyssey (11.9ft). The blue line is with the sub distance adjusted to 9.9ft........ The small 2ft adjustment to the distance mostly corrects that......
Thank you so much for this explanation. Is there a standard rule of thumb regarding a starting point, Or is it pure trial and error? With two subs, should you change the distances for both, or only one?

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Thank you so much for this explanation. Is there a standard rule of thumb regarding a starting point, Or is it pure trial and error?
The starting point is going to be the calibrated distance. In some cases it will look fine as is and you're done. If you see a big dip around the crossover region, then you can try adding a few feet, subtracting a few feet, see in which direction the dip gets better vs worse. Once you see it improve, then tweak in smaller (1ft) increments to hone in on the distance that gives the flattest response in the crossover region. And, like I mentioned, in some cases tweaking the crossover frequency can clean up a problem that the distance tweak doesn't quite solve (e.g. in my case things look better with a 100Hz crossover vs an 80Hz crossover).

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With two subs, should you change the distances for both, or only one?
Since you are integrating the subs relative phase to the speakers, you want to change the global distance of all the subs together as a combined unit. The multiple subs should be aligned to each other and EQ'd first, and then once that's done all you're concerned with is the blend of that optimized multi-sub unit to the speakers at the transition point.

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If I use the app to limit the correction frequency (300hz), it doesn't matter then what I do with MRC or Target Rolloff 1 or 2, right?

But I can then just engage CinemaEQ which will still work to lower high end?
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