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post #4471 of 5010 Old 01-24-2019, 08:28 PM
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Hello all,

I have recently installed some equipment in my new home.

Samsung JU6700 65" Curved TV
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Yamaha RXA-1070 Receiver
Samsung 4K DVD Player

The receiver, DVD player, and Genie are in a closet. The receiver is connected to the TV via a 50' Celerity fiber cable.

I have set up the TV to use ARC. This works perfectly. If I power up the TV, the receiver turns on automatically. We can play Hulu, Netflix, or whatever directly on the SmartTV functions and they play through the receiver speakers. Initially this did NOT work, but after speaking with Celerity, they said it was likely a firmware issue on the cable ends so they sent me new ones. This did fix the problem.

The issue comes in when I'm trying to use the Genie. If I turn on the Genie and receiver, the receiver selects the correct input automatically and I can hear the audio just fine through the receiver. When I turn the TV on, the sound goes away and the picture never appears, or it will appear for 15 seconds and disappear again. Sometimes the receiver will automatically switch to Audio 1. If I manually switch the receiver back to the Genie input (AV2), I still get no audio or video from the TV. In addition, the HDMI indicator lights in the bottom left of the receiver display will flash kind of randomly. There are 4 lights that will turn on and off randomly, HDMI, IN, OUT, and 1.

If I attempt to view the receiver menus on the TV, I still get no picture.

If I turn the TV OFF while this is all going on, the Genie sound comes back on, until you turn on the TV again.

If I turn the TV on first, I get the same sort of behavior. I never get any Genie pic or sound.

This is driving me insane. I love the easy of using the TV for our streaming services, and that I can control all that with just the TV remote (including receiver volume, etc), but I can't watch other sources. I'm about ready to return/sell it all and go back to my 15 year old Pioneer Elite receiver and just get an Apple TV for streaming stuff. But I'd rather not!

Any suggestions appreciated.
I also have a Samsung TV and blame all HDMI weirdness on it. The A2070 paired with Samsung behaves badly, the A550 paired with Panasonic works flawlessly - switching sources always naturally predictable. If you have a different TV to try, see if I am right with my assertion.

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…This is driving me insane. I love the [ease] of using the TV for our streaming services, and that I can control all that with just the TV remote (including receiver volume, etc), but I can't watch other sources. I'm about ready to return/sell it all and go back to my 15 year old Pioneer Elite receiver and just get an Apple TV for streaming stuff. But I'd rather not!
Short solution: get an Apple TV, keep the rest of the HT. I was continually annoyed by substandard or infrequently updated streaming service apps on various devices, enjoyed a Chromecast more, then took the plunge to a dedicated streaming device, i.e. Apple TV. That’s all I use now, both the device OS and apps are updated regularly. (You could probably substitute Roku or Amazon Fire TV for this, but I believe the Apple is a solid product you wouldn’t regret getting.)

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I also have a Samsung TV and blame all HDMI weirdness on it. The A2070 paired with Samsung behaves badly, the A550 paired with Panasonic works flawlessly - switching sources always naturally predictable. If you have a different TV to try, see if I am right with my assertion.
I concur. I have a Samsung LED TV, great picture, but from time to time its HDMI-CEC behavior is quirky.

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I use a Roku Ultra (on a number of my AV systems) for streaming and never use the builtin TV apps. ARC never worked for me and since I use universal remotes (Philips TSU9400s) to control my systems I really didn't want CEC interfering.

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I have 3070 receiver connected (among other devices) to JVC X5500 projector and HTPC. HTPC is running with windows 10 (version 1803), has GF 1050ti GPU and i3-8100 CPU. Connections between these devices are made with high quality hdmi cables made by Supra, fully capable for 4K (tested with other devices, e.g. Oppo 203 with 4K material). In Yamaha advance setup 4K setting is in "mode 1", in normal setup the video setting is direct (although the same problem with setting "processing > through".

The problem is that when the HTPC and projector are connected through the receiver, windows detects 3070 as the display (is this correct?) and no higher than 1920*1080 resolution is available, and also no HDR settings are available in windows (same problem in Nvidia control panel). However, if I connect the HTPC directly to the projector using same hdmi cable, higher resolution and HDR settings up to UHD/4K are available. Thus the problem seems to be with Yamaha 3070.

Has anyone had similar problems? Are there still some settings in Yamaha that I should change and that I am missing?

Thanks.
I am still facing the same problem and have also some new findings, unfortunately no answers yet from the community..

It seems to me that 3070 has some handshake issue with JVC DLA X5500, as X5500 can show 4K material without any problems from both Oppo and HTPC connected directly to the projector, however, when the signal goes through 3070, 4K picture does not work (still Dolby Atmos goes through). I have also tested that 3070 can pass through 4K with other display (Samsung 4K Smart tv).

Has anyone countered similar problems and is there something I could do about it?
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I also have a 2070 and have issues with the Samsung Bluray player (9500). I love the apps and streaming capabilities of the player, but it is pretty buggy. I never thought it might be a bad relationship with the 2070 though... interesting.

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Has anyone any ideas on this, is the receiver faulty somehow, i.e. not able to pass through from HTPC? Is it correct that Windows recognizes 3070 as the display, not the projector (I am sure other users have projectors connected to 3070 as well..)?

Answers would be much appreciated, thanks.
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I am still facing the same problem and have also some new findings, unfortunately no answers yet from the community..

It seems to me that 3070 has some handshake issue with JVC DLA X5500, as X5500 can show 4K material without any problems from both Oppo and HTPC connected directly to the projector, however, when the signal goes through 3070, 4K picture does not work (still Dolby Atmos goes through). I have also tested that 3070 can pass through 4K with other display (Samsung 4K Smart tv).

Has anyone countered similar problems and is there something I could do about it?
I keep talking to myself, but that is quite usual... I got the problem solved, the problem was that I have HDMI OUT2 in use, i have connected another amp (Yamaha 1030) to HDMI OUT2 and have taken 3070 onscreen menu setting "main" for HDMI OUT2 (meaning that I want to stream the contecnt (both audio and video) from 3070 to 1030). Hdmi cable from 3070 to 1030 is rather long, 20m, and also 1030 cannot handle 4K passthrough. It seems that 3070 goes crazy in such situation and does not allow any 4K material to go through. At once I change the 3070 HDMI OUT2 setting from "main" to e.g. "zone 2", (or plug off cable from HDMI OUT2) 3070 passes through 4K smoorthly (however streaming same content from 3070 to 1030 does not work anymore..).
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I keep talking to myself, but that is quite usual... I got the problem solved, the problem was that I have HDMI OUT2 in use, i have connected another amp (Yamaha 1030) to HDMI OUT2 and have taken 3070 onscreen menu setting "main" for HDMI OUT2 (meaning that I want to stream the contecnt (both audio and video) from 3070 to 1030). Hdmi cable from 3070 to 1030 is rather long, 20m, and also 1030 cannot handle 4K passthrough. It seems that 3070 goes crazy in such situation and does not allow any 4K material to go through. At once I change the 3070 HDMI OUT2 setting from "main" to e.g. "zone 2", (or plug off cable from HDMI OUT2) 3070 passes through 4K smoorthly (however streaming same content from 3070 to 1030 does not work anymore..).
Uh, yeah. That would cause it to fail. :-\

It’s not going crazy, it’s that modern HDCP checks display capability as part of the handshake, AFAIK.

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Does anyone here use ECO mode?

Would it be recommended for listening no higher than -30dB (MV) on the volume scale?

I have 5 Q150s crossed at 100Hz and they are 8 ohm, 86dB sensitivity bookshelves.

If it saves power significantly without affecting sound quality I will use it. Haven't found much information in the owners manual or elsewhere for the Yamaha eco mode, mainly Denon and Marantz.

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Does anyone here use ECO mode?

Would it be recommended for listening no higher than -30dB (MV) on the volume scale?

I have 5 Q150s crossed at 100Hz and they are 8 ohm, 86dB sensitivity bookshelves.

If it saves power significantly without affecting sound quality I will use it. Haven't found much information in the owners manual or elsewhere for the Yamaha eco mode, mainly Denon and Marantz.
I may be wrong, but I've always understood that ECO mode only shut down more of the unit when in standby. Am I wrong? Has that changed?

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Does anyone here use ECO mode?
No. It's a marketing gimmick.
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Does anyone here use ECO mode?
No. It's a marketing gimmick.
Yamaha AVRs in particular or all AVRs?

In any case, I think you're right because it sounds a bit dull even at low volume and the claimed 20% power savings doesn't seem like much.

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Yamaha AVRs in particular or all AVRs?

In any case, I think you're right because it sounds a bit dull even at low volume and the claimed 20% power savings doesn't seem like much.
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Yamaha AVRs in particular or all AVRs?

In any case, I think you're right because it sounds a bit dull even at low volume and the claimed 20% power savings doesn't seem like much.
I still haven't found any "real" information about how Yamahas ECO mode works, it seems to be different to "other" (e.g. Denon/Marantz).

D&M's Eco=auto mode is really clever!
a little bit background: a typical class A/B amp needs some idle current. That means this current flows through the transistors even without any signal (mute).
for amps with just one pair of transistors per channel the idle current is typically between 50 to 100mA.
on the other hand the wanted output power dictates the rail voltages because thats the maximum output voltage peak to peak (minus some loss). For 150W at 8Ohm 100V (+/-50V) are required, you definitely can't reach this output power with less voltage.

that means: each channel of a 150W amp converts between 5 and 10W electrical energy to heat without a signal, doing nothing!
7 channels -> 35 ... 70W heat without a signal

the trick is to reduce the rail voltage when it is not needed!
if you turn the volume to -10dB it means 1/10 of the maximum power, the 150W are reduced to 15W and a little bit more than 30V are sufficient.
and what's really convenient: there is a reduced voltage setting available already: for the 4Ohm modus!

so if we reduce the voltage to 50V (40W/8Ohm, 80W/4Ohm) that's still sufficient for -6dB volume level!) we reduce the dissipation loss to half (18...35W for 7 channels).

so what D&M in Eco=auto does is the following:
as long as the Volume is below -30dB (1/1000 of the maximum power) the voltage is kept at the reduced level
if the volume is above -30dB and there is a signal the voltage is switched to "maximum power"
the voltage stays at max power mode until the volume is turned down below -35dB

it's pretty easy, doesn't cost any power or sound quality and reduces the power dissipation / heat. There is no reason why you shouldn't use the Eco=auto mode for a D&M AVR.

now I still need to know how the Yamaha system works
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it's pretty easy, doesn't cost any power or sound quality and reduces the power dissipation / heat. There is no reason why you shouldn't use the Eco=auto mode for a D&M AVR.

now I still need to know how the Yamaha system works
Thanks. Interesting stuff.
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Hi guys,

I recently built two Reed Exodus Subs and hooked them up to my 3070 yesterday. The subs are powered by a NHT SA-2.

I have ran the calibration multiple times with the gain knob on the NHT amp at about 10 o'clock position. This results in the subwoofer level being set at about -5db. After switching the fronts to Small and setting the xover to 80hz, the subs sound decent.

However, when I try to level match the sub to the fronts, I can only get the subs to about -15db to the level of the front speakers. My understanding has been that subs should be at about +10db compared to the fronts.

Is this normal?

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I recently built two Reed Exodus Subs and hooked them up to my 3070 yesterday. The subs are powered by a NHT SA-2.



I have ran the calibration multiple times with the gain knob on the NHT amp at about 10 o'clock position. This results in the subwoofer level being set at about -5db. After switching the fronts to Small and setting the xover to 80hz, the subs sound decent.



However, when I try to level match the sub to the fronts, I can only get the subs to about -15db to the level of the front speakers. My understanding has been that subs should be at about +10db compared to the fronts.



Is this normal?


No, the subs should be at the same level of the rest. 2 subs doubles the output so they should compensate fo that by reducing the output even more.


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Hi guys,

I recently built two Reed Exodus Subs and hooked them up to my 3070 yesterday. The subs are powered by a NHT SA-2.

I have ran the calibration multiple times with the gain knob on the NHT amp at about 10 o'clock position. This results in the subwoofer level being set at about -5db. After switching the fronts to Small and setting the xover to 80hz, the subs sound decent.

However, when I try to level match the sub to the fronts, I can only get the subs to about -15db to the level of the front speakers. My understanding has been that subs should be at about +10db compared to the fronts.

Is this normal?
Perhaps you are thinking of the LFE source signal being +10dB higher than the speaker source signal?
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How are you level matching the subs with the fronts? With the internal test tones or an external source (like REW)? My experience with YPAO is that it does a good job of setting the sub level to match everything else. I'm curious what your measuring technique is that yields -15db for the subs.
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When have these auto setups ever been able to give the correct volume for subs? At least I'm never satisfied with the wimpy volume they end up on, so I turn them up quite a lot.

Edit: And unlike all other speakers in the system I go by ear on the subs. I adjust the volume after the movie we're watching, so it just sounds good. Which with two 12" and two 15" is usually close to earthquake volume on the action and adventure movies we usually watch...

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No, the subs should be at the same level of the rest. 2 subs doubles the output so they should compensate fo that by reducing the output even more.

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That's what I was thinking.

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How are you level matching the subs with the fronts? With the internal test tones or an external source (like REW)? My experience with YPAO is that it does a good job of setting the sub level to match everything else. I'm curious what your measuring technique is that yields -15db for the subs.
I was trying to measure with a db meter. The front were always about +15db compared to the subs using the internal test tone of the 3070.
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No. It's a marketing gimmick.
Well, the marketing effected the sound on my 775 after I enabled it. I figured it was like the 6Ω speaker option, just limiting the AVR in some way, and immediately abandoned the “feature.”

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I may be wrong, but I've always understood that ECO mode only shut down more of the unit when in standby. Am I wrong? Has that changed?
I have no idea, but on mine it did more than adjust power in standby mode.
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When have these auto setups ever been able to give the correct volume for subs? At least I'm never satisfied with the wimpy volume they end up on, so I turn them up quite a lot.

Edit: And unlike all other speakers in the system I go by ear on the subs. I adjust the volume after the movie we're watching, so it just sounds good. Which with two 12" and two 15" is usually close to earthquake volume on the action and adventure movies we usually watch...
It was pretty close on my 775 with a Hsu VTF-2. I only tweaked it a wee bit using audiocheck and Boston Acoustic Society test tones.

If YPAO sets a sub level to -5 after testing, IMHO the sub gain is too high. Readjust and run YPAO to get it within ±2dB level set. This allows for plenty of adjustment room to taste for a movie, or various genres of music (e.g. +2 for jazz, -3 for a Michael Bay flick).

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Readjust and run YPAO to get it within ±2dB level set. This allows for plenty of adjustment room to taste for a movie, or various genres of music (e.g. +2 for jazz, -3 for a Michael Bay flick).
For my part it's more like +10 for black metal and +8 for doom, which usually has more bass in the production... Oh, and Michael Bay, I go all the way the subs can take before they start to burn coils.

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Well, the marketing effected the sound on my 775 after I enabled it. I figured it was like the 6Ω speaker option, just limiting the AVR in some way, and immediately abandoned the “feature.”



I have no idea, but on mine it did more than adjust power in standby mode.


It was pretty close on my 775 with a Hsu VTF-2. I only tweaked it a wee bit using audiocheck and Boston Acoustic Society test tones.

If YPAO sets a sub level to -5 after testing, IMHO the sub gain is too high. Readjust and run YPAO to get it within ±2dB level set. This allows for plenty of adjustment room to taste for a movie, or various genres of music (e.g. +2 for jazz, -3 for a Michael Bay flick).
I thought it was bad practice to have the subs level more than -5?

What is the ideal level that I should be shooting for post YPAO?

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I thought it was bad practice to have the subs level more than -5?
No, I don't think so.
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What is the ideal level that I should be shooting for post YPAO?
Don't know if I believe there's an "ideal," but I recommend shooting for somewhere between -2/+2 dB, this allows you plenty of room up and down the range of -10-+10 dB, for personal adjustment depending on the content. But -5dB isn't bad if it tests and sounds right.

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I thought it was bad practice to have the subs level more than -5?

What is the ideal level that I should be shooting for post YPAO?
Some shoot for -5 so that they can turn it up to 0 with the assertion that running it on the + side can cause distortion at high levels.
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may I ask where this assertion comes from?
there should be enough "headroom" within the internal processing to avoid distortions?
And why at higher levels only? If there is an overrun it appears at lower levels as well...
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Some shoot for -5 so that they can turn it up to 0 with the assertion that running it on the + side can cause distortion at high levels.
I have been running from 0 to max, depending on the material (I don't really give a #¤!%@£$ what the "reference audio" sounds like, I want what sounds good to ME, because I paid for the damned tings! ), and I have never ever had any distortion outside of the distortion from the elements when I go too crazy.

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I have been running from 0 to max, depending on the material (I don't really give a #¤!%@£$ what the "reference audio" sounds like, I want what sounds good to ME, because I paid for the damned tings! ), and I have never ever had any distortion outside of the distortion from the elements when I go too crazy.
That's nice.
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