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I just replace my plasma TV with a Sony A9F with eArc firmware update. I have it set up with eArc/Arc between the A9f and my 3070 (2.70 firmware) using a new 10' certified Monoprice 4k HDMI cable (suppose to support ethernet per description). All my external sources go into the 3070 to the TV. For sound to work using the TV apps I had to turn on CeC/Brava Sync. I didn't think it would be necessary, but so be it.


I am occasionally getting no sound when switching from using TV internal apps to using my external apps like cable box. In order to restore sound, it looks like I need to get the 3070 to recognize the change of sound source. One method was to bring up the 3070 menu (input) and simply exiting it. That usually toggles the sound back on. Also turning everything off and back on works as well. Not sure how to fix this or what is causing it to happen.


My AppleTV 4k reports my cable is ok for 4k/Dolby Vision.





Any thoughts on this? I am not sure how the eArc is suppose to work or if there are any bugs I am not aware of.

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I just replace my plasma TV with a Sony A9F with eArc firmware update. I have it set up with eArc/Arc between the A9f and my 3070 (2.70 firmware) using a new 10' certified Monoprice 4k HDMI cable (suppose to support ethernet per description). All my external sources go into the 3070 to the TV. For sound to work using the TV apps I had to turn on CeC/Brava Sync. I didn't think it would be necessary, but so be it.

I am occasionally getting no sound when switching from using TV internal apps to using my external apps like cable box. In order to restore sound, it looks like I need to get the 3070 to recognize the change of sound source. One method was to bring up the 3070 menu (input) and simply exiting it. That usually toggles the sound back on. Also turning everything off and back on works as well. Not sure how to fix this or what is causing it to happen.

My AppleTV 4k reports my cable is ok for 4k/Dolby Vision.


Any thoughts on this? I am not sure how the eArc is suppose to work or if there are any bugs I am not aware of.
I confess that I can't be much help you. But I find CeC to be very hit-and-miss depending on your system and components. I've never gotten it to work on any of my systems and have consequently given up on using it (and consequently, ARC). I rarely use any TV apps, but when I do, I go with an optical S/PDIF cable for audio from the TV to my AVR. Of course this does limit what audio you can pass through.

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I confess that I can't be much help you. But I find CeC to be very hit-and-miss depending on your system and components. I've never gotten it to work on any of my systems and have consequently given up on using it (and consequently, ARC). I rarely use any TV apps, but when I do, I go with an optical S/PDIF cable for audio from the TV to my AVR. Of course this does limit what audio you can pass through.

Thank-you for your reply. I agree with you. I've avoided CeC and didn't think it was necessary with the Sony/Yamaha eArc combination. The apps on the TV are really good and updated being part of the Sony/Android TV environemnt and convenient to search, access and use. I have my PS4 Pro, AppleTV 4K and two DVRs, that the TV can't replace. If I can find the cause, maybe I can do something with my Harmony to "fix" it. It doesn't happen all the time, which makes it worse.


I might try another cable and unplugging everything and see if that clears anything up.

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The H24 I have was updated in Feb of this year
Like Horace Clark, prior poster, I have 2 C61Ks and the Genie 2. I've had them for a year, and have never had dropouts with DTV dolby digital. I also have the Z9D and a Yamaha. Prior to the current directv receivers, I had the HR24 and HR44; and never had an audio problem with them.

Personally, I would replace the HR24 with current technology; although, it's probably not the problem. Plus, I would start checking the signal path; from dish, dtv cables and connectors (they can go bad), the DTV receiver, and HDMI cables.

You should not have to go to PCM to get good audio.
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Like Horace Clark, prior poster, I have 2 C61Ks and the Genie 2. I've had them for a year, and have never had dropouts with DTV dolby digital. I also have the Z9D and a Yamaha. Prior to the current directv receivers, I had the HR24 and HR44; and never had an audio problem with them.

Personally, I would replace the HR24 with current technology; although, it's probably not the problem. Plus, I would start checking the signal path; from dish, dtv cables and connectors (they can go bad), the DTV receiver, and HDMI cables.

You should not have to go to PCM to get good audio.
This has been a known issue for several years (audio dropouts). All my cables are brand new and even tried other new certified cables. Connection is perfect and so is the RG6 cable

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This has been a known issue for several years (audio dropouts). All my cables are brand new and even tried other new certified cables. Connection is perfect and so is the RG6 cable
In may be a known issue; but not with many users. From what I've read, those with the problem frequently have it resolved by changing from "native" to outputting 1080i (because it results in fewer handshakes).

However, back to the question on your original post. I just reset my dtv receiver to output pcm. Checked my Yamaha and I was receiving 2 channel pcm. On the same program I had been receiving DD 5.1.

Finally, it's obviously your decision; but as I've said, I would update to current technology.

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In may be a known issue; but not with many users. From what I've read, those with the problem frequently have it resolved by changing from "native" to outputting 1080i (because it results in fewer handshakes).

However, back to the question on your original post. I just reset my dtv receiver to output pcm. Checked my Yamaha and I was receiving 2 channel pcm. On the same program I had been receiving DD 5.1.

Finally, it's obviously your decision; but as I've said, I would update to current technology.
I went into the H24 and disabled native and only checked 1080i...I'm waiting on a single speaker to test it out Monday. Thanks

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This has been a known issue for several years (audio dropouts). All my cables are brand new and even tried other new certified cables. Connection is perfect and so is the RG6 cable
The Audio dropouts are a known issue in certain setups when Dolby Audio is enabled. It tends to be worse on certain channels for some reason. On my HR54 STARZ channels are unwatchable unless I turn off Dolby Audio. But the cables might also play into this. I've had handshake and HDMI switching issues the past few weeks I've been trying to diagnose. I get the handshake issues when changing channels on DTV. The audio tunes in/out and my samsung TV gives me the rotating "searching" ring. I've found that if I bring up the DTV guide or Menu it stabilizes and finally tunes in sometimes. When that doesn't work I have to change the channel or turn the receiver on/off. I bought a HDMI tester and found that I had a bad cable from the receiver to the Samsung TV. I also found that a couple of my Certified, enhanced, 4K, top 'o the line, blah, blah, blah HDMI cables were cheap trash and didn't have all the shielded pins and some had a weak signal.

Handshake issue taken care of, now if I could only get the HDMI switching fixed. Looks like it's going to have to be taken in for service.
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A mono audio source, when decoded by Dolby Surround, should only send a signal to the centre channel.

Other speakers like your surrounds and overheads should remain silent. Mono audio is perfectly in phase between channels, and once decoded, should be anchored to the centre channel.

A stereo signal source, on the other hand, has phase differences, which the Dolby Surround decoder will use to extract and send certain sounds to the other speakers.

I think you're overthinking things.
It turns out to be more complicated. Long story short, I'm keeping my mono mode--it beats Dolby Surround on some older movies. I'm not sure why, but some mono movies are in a stereo container, so to speak. Some of their soundtracks say mono in the Plex settings page, and some report stereo, although I don't think there has been any attempt to create a fake stereo image.

Using Dolby Surround on most mono movies, I'm getting sound in all speakers, although very, very faintly. It sounds better, and more natural in my mono mode with the surrounds and overheads turned off.

Not trying to argue, just following up.
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Question XLR connection

My subwoofer has 2 XLR connections only, can I connect one of these inputs into the 3070 XLR (I see there are only a left/right XLR)?

So far, I had to use an adapter (XLR to RCA) to connect my RCA cable to my XLR on the sub and the RCA end to the 3070

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My subwoofer has 2 XLR connections only, can I connect one of these inputs into the 3070 XLR (I see there are only a left/right XLR)?

So far, I had to use an adapter (XLR to RCA) to connect my RCA cable to my XLR on the sub and the RCA end to the 3070
The RX-A3070 XLR connections are for Analog Stereo INPUT sources

Only the Sub-1 + Sub-2 pre-outs are used for Subwoofers.

If you want to use Both XLR inputs on your Funk Audio sub
Get a simple RCA Y-Splitter and another RCA>XLR adapter
(you will see a +6dB gain)






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The 3070 XLR connections are for Front L/R speakers only.

Only the Sub-1 + Sub-2 pre-outs are for Subwoofers.

If you want to use Both XLR inputs on your Funk Audio sub
Get a simple RCA Y-Splitter and another RCA>XLR adapter
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Thank you Sir...

So what you are saying is: my present Canare LV-77S RCA sub cable that is connected to my 3070 sub 1 and the other end of the RCA is connected to the Neutrik NA2MPMF (3-Pole XLR male to RCA female adapter) adapter that goes into the Funk XLR. Get another Neutrik and plug that into my Funk #2 XLR. So I will have 2 Neutrik adpaters plugged into my Funk's XLR 1 and 2, then the Y splitter ends will be plugged into both of the Neutrik's, then I will have one single cable running from the other end of the Y splitter directly onto sub 1 on the 3070?

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Thank you Sir...

So what you are saying is: my present Canare LV-77S RCA sub cable that is connected to my 3070 sub 1 and the other end of the RCA is connected to the Neutrik NA2MPMF (3-Pole XLR male to RCA female adapter) adapter that goes into the Funk XLR. Get another Neutrik and plug that into my Funk #2 XLR. So I will have 2 Neutrik adpaters plugged into my Funk's XLR 1 and 2, then the Y splitter ends will be plugged into both of the Neutrik's, then I will have one single cable running from the other end of the Y splitter directly onto sub 1 on the 3070?
Correct!


RX-A3070 Sub-1 pre-out>RCA cable>Y-splitter> Two XLR Adapters>Funk Sub.



If you have an SPL meter, you will see a +6dB gain in output due to doubling of the input signal.

The RX-A3070 XLR connections are for Analog Stereo INPUT sources only, (not outputs)
(The new RX-A 3080 adds two XLR outs, but they are for Front L/R speakers only.

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I tested a ruipro fibre hdmi cable on the yamaha rxa 3070 just kept getting constant single loss, flickering and snow flake effect when viewing 4k material.

Spoke to the retailer and he said that it could be related to the yamaha not sending enough power via the hdmi.

Is this true as I have not heard of that before, if so how do I adjust the settings?

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I tested a ruipro fibre hdmi cable on the yamaha rxa 3070 just kept getting constant single loss, flickering and snow flake effect when viewing 4k material.

Spoke to the retailer and he said that it could be related to the yamaha not sending enough power via the hdmi.

Is this true as I have not heard of that before, if so how do I adjust the settings?

Thanks
Typical retailer BS. The cable is simply not up to the task. You don't mention the length of the cable. But if the cable is not able to deliver 18Gbps steady over whatever length, you get exactly what you have described. Lengths over 20' are generally recommended for optical HDMI, and only optical.
OTOH, THESE are certified to 30'. Yours is optical but that doesn't mean its good enough. The world is full of expensive cables that claim to be more than they are.
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I am running a Monoprice fiber HDMI 50 feet on a 3070 and no problems.
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Typical retailer BS. The cable is simply not up to the task. You don't mention the length of the cable. But if the cable is not able to deliver 18Gbps steady over whatever length, you get exactly what you have described. Lengths over 20' are generally recommended for optical HDMI, and only optical.
OTOH, THESE are certified to 30'. Yours is optical but that doesn't mean its good enough. The world is full of expensive cables that claim to be more than they are.
It was 5m length of the below cable they meet all the criteria.

https://www.ruipro.com/shop/ruipro-hdmi-fiber-cable-6m/

I have returned them for a full refund and went back to the copper ones which I will buy longer length.

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My Yamaha has no issues with 4K UHD/HDR 24P 4:4:4 12Bit to my OLED 6' (2.0m) and my JVC projecotor 25' (7.5m) at the same time...



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Question BD player with Zero Signal

Getting a new BD player (Pioneer LX500) and on the rear panel (LX500), there’s a socket labelled Zero Signal, which is designed to ground audio and video signals and help maintain signal quality as it passes through the player into your AV receiver. I was told: "Simply connect one end of a standard analogue interconnect to the Zero Signal socket on the player and attach the other to an analogue audio or video socket on the rear of your home cinema amp." Question is, where do I connect it on the 3070 and do I need to change any settings? Thank you

Also, is a standard analogue interconnect cable the same as Monolith's by Monoprice digital audio coaxial cable?

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Getting a new BD player (Pioneer LX500) and on the rear panel (LX500), there’s a socket labelled Zero Signal, which is designed to ground audio and video signals and help maintain signal quality as it passes through the player into your AV receiver. I was told: "Simply connect one end of a standard analogue interconnect to the Zero Signal socket on the player and attach the other to an analogue audio or video socket on the rear of your home cinema amp." Question is, where do I connect it on the 3070 and do I need to change any settings? Thank you

Also, is a standard analogue interconnect cable the same as Monolith's by Monoprice digital audio coaxial cable?
This sounds like simply an additional ground connection between the player and your AVR. I would expect that you could use a standard analog audio cable (with RCA plugs on each end, assuming that's what's on the player) and connect it to one of the unused analog inputs on your 3070.

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This sounds like simply an additional ground connection between the player and your AVR. I would expect that you could use a standard analog audio cable (with RCA plugs on each end, assuming that's what's on the player) and connect it to one of the unused analog inputs on your 3070.
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Does it matter which one? Thank you

I wouldn't think so, but I don't own one of the Pioneer players so I'm not sure what the connection on its end is like. I'd probably pick an unused input if it was me. BTW, have you asked this question on a forum thread for the player? Maybe someone there with actual experience can help.
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Yamaha RX-A2070 Bluetooth Headphone Remove

I can add one BT headphone to the system but can not remove it so I can add a different one. My assumption is you can only have one headphone paired at a time since I am unable to add a second one. I have tried almost everything I can think of but can not figure out how to delete it. Thanks in advance for any help!
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Question - I plan on buying a refurbished A2070 for around $800, which seems like a good deal compared to buying the A2080 new. Are there any important features I'd be missing going with a slightly older model?

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Important? No. Only Alexa, a more modern UI and the intelligent voice. 800$ is a steal

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Important? No. Only Alexa, a more modern UI and the intelligent voice. 800$ is a steal
Thanks. How about YPAO, is that unchanged in the 80 range?
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Really your better off with the 2070 it has more features that the 2080 removed.
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Really your better off with the 2070 it has more features that the 2080 removed.
Can't say that I agree. I own and use both and find that I don't miss any features, that I ever use, on the 2080. I do, however, find that I use the Surround:AI on the 2080 often as it significantly enhances my ability to hear and understand dialog, esp when there's sound effects.
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Really your better off with the 2070 it has more features that the 2080 removed.
I agree 100%

I was looking to upgrade my old 3050, but when the 3080 was announced I saw too many features disappear (that I used)
....scrambled to find one of the last remaining 3070's instead, and got it for $700 less than the new stripped down 3080.

My biggest issues were removal of 4 of the Scene settings (Down from 12 to 8)
The loss of the Front HDMI output (for a temp connection for REW, Go-Pro or cam corder)
You can no longer apply the Neural:X up-mixer on any Dolby encoded bitstream source.

The things added to the 3080 were of no use to me at all:

AI ...heard it, not impressed at all.
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Two XLR Outputs (for Front L/R Speakers only)
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I agree 100%

I was looking to upgrade my old 3050, but when the 3080 was announced I saw too many features disappear (that I used)
....scrambled to find one of the last remaining 3070's instead, and got it for $700 less than the new stripped down 3080.

My biggest issues were removal of 4 of the Scene settings (Down from 12 to 8)
The loss of the Front HDMI output (for a temp connection for REW, Go-Pro or cam corder)
You can no longer apply the Neural:X up-mixer on any Dolby encoded bitstream source.

The things added to the 3080 were of no use to me at all:

AI ...heard it, not impressed at all.
Extra HDMI out for third display, I only need 2 for an OLED and Projector
Two XLR Outputs (for Front L/R Speakers only)
Thanks. I'll mainly be using it in a 2ch setup + sub, for music primarily, and sometimes for movies/tv. I may actually just go for the A1070 instead as that should provide plenty of power for the speakers I plan on purchasing (Revel F35 or F36, undecided still), and I can get the 1070 for $600. The price difference can then go to a sub.
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