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post #4981 of 5024 Old 08-24-2019, 11:30 PM
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Anyone know of a way to change the background image displayed by the Yamaha receiver when there's no video feed? Currently I can pick between a gray background and the piano background.
Depending upon teh input you're switched to. Some, you can select an alternate HDMI video input to be the "background." I have a $35 Chromecast on HDMI2, and for some other inputs, I have the Chromecast video selected. It's always on, and I have the "screen saver" (they call it "Ambient" in the Google Home apps) set to art, Google Earth imagery, etc. One option is having it show you pics from your library on Google Photos. IIRC, you could select a folder/album of Google Photos, and if you have one that's all 1080 imagery, voila, you've got custom wallpaper. Another option: time, and weather, info in the corner of the screen.

And THAT would be a way to show your personal choice of backgrounds.

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Anyone have an issue with Dolby Vision not looking that great? I was watching Apocalypse Now Final Cut UHD, and the letterbox bars look gray, and there seems to be a lack of contrast. It looks the same on the iTunes digital version on the Apple TV 4K, and other DV movies I have there also look a little washed out. Nothing extreme, you have to be in a completely dark room to pick up on it.

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Watching DV directly on the TCL TV, with Netflix or the Dolby Channel, it looks the way it should. I suspect that a software update from Roku may be the culprit, but it also could be the 3070. Anyone else here using a TCL with their Yamaha?
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Anyone have an issue with Dolby Vision not looking that great? I was watching Apocalypse Now Final Cut UHD, and the letterbox bars look gray, and there seems to be a lack of contrast. It looks the same on the iTunes digital version on the Apple TV 4K, and other DV movies I have there also look a little washed out. Nothing extreme, you have to be in a completely dark room to pick up on it.

Setup: LG UBKC90 BD player > Yamaha 3070 > TCL 65R615. Cables are all recent Monoprice certified, and all software is up to date.

Watching DV directly on the TCL TV, with Netflix or the Dolby Channel, it looks the way it should. I suspect that a software update from Roku may be the culprit, but it also could be the 3070. Anyone else here using a TCL with their Yamaha?
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I'm setting up my rebuilt theater. I've embedded in the walls 12-gauge speaker wires with banana jacks that are color-coded red and black.

But I'm going to be using different brands of speakers: Paradigm for the main 5.1 array, Boston Acoustics for my rears, and Onkyo silver tubes on the ceiling - and an Onkyo as a second sub.

And I'm going to power the ceiling speakers with an old Denon AVR fed from my Yamaha RX-A3070's Presence Pre-Outs, with the rest driven by the 3070.

Can I have confidence that for the 11 conventional speakers that simply following the Red and Black color coding - which all the speakers and amplifier terminals have - will mean they'll all play in phase, or are there brand-do-brand variations of phase?

And will the subs - which are RCA-to-RCA wired - also be in phase with the other speakers?

Can I simply trust the 3070's YPAO room correction of the whole system to take care of phase differences?

In my old theater, I only had the seven ordinary speakers listed above and the one Paradigm subwoofer.

I'm wondering if the second brand of amp, third brand of ceiling speakers, and second brand of sub may trip me up on channel phasing if each company interprets the phasing of the red and black terminals differently.

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I wouldn't always trust the YPAO to be accurate. Mine was showing speakers out of phase and when I had it professionally calibrated I was correct. A few speakers that showed out of phase were actually in phase.
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Ok. Does anyone know whether the industry has standardized enough that following the red and black color codes will put speakers in phase regardless of the brands of speakers and amplifiers in a mixed setup?

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Ok. Does anyone know whether the industry has standardized enough that following the red and black color codes will put speakers in phase regardless of the brands of speakers and amplifiers in a mixed setup?
yes red positive/black negative. Industry standard.

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yes red positive/black negative. Industry standard.
Agreed. Don't worry too much about using different brands of speakers, the YPAO will correct for the differences.
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SW out 1&2

New member, Hi.
Next week, I am getting a 2070 to replace my Onkyo 787. So, reading ahead,,
I can't find any where that tells me if the sub outs are the same signal and just split internally as the Onkyo??
Or independent as in a X.2.X LFE configuration?
Are some of you also using a miniDSP for improved PEQing our subs. I have 2 subs in use in my 5.1.4 setup.
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Next week, I am getting a 2070 to replace my Onkyo 787. So, reading ahead,,
I can't find any where that tells me if the sub outs are the same signal and just split internally as the Onkyo??
Or independent as in a X.2.X LFE configuration?
Are some of you also using a miniDSP for improved PEQing our subs. I have 2 subs in use in my 5.1.4 setup.
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The two subwoofer outputs can be separate, depending on how you have configured your 2070. Page 145 of the 2070 manual lists the three possible settings for the subwoofers:

Left+Right - subs are separate (stereo if you will)
Front+Rear - subs are separate
Manural+2 - the two subs receive the same signal

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Help with HDMI problem!

Hi folks;



I am at a loss and frustrated with my A2070 receiver.


My set up is a 82" Samsung QLED TV, with Apple TV, Xbox OneS, PS4, and Rogers cable box (Cisco) all connected through HDMI.


When I try to play any of the media devices, I just see a screen on my tv indicating that it can not connect to the device. When I look at the 2070 it show the red HDMI logo flash, along with the speaker icons, then it disappears and reappears. It seems like the receiver is trying to decode the signal.


I do not see the Yamaha piano screen on the TV. I do not hear sound.


Occasionally the apple tv will work, but this is only occasionally.


When the Apple TV works, I have tried switching HDMI cables from the Apple TV to the xbox, but the Xbox still doesn't show up.


I have hooked up my older Pioneer elite VSX-21THX and everything works without a problem, which makes me think there isn't a HDMI cable issue.


I took the 2070 to a Yamaha tech who hooked it up to his system and things worked.


Please help me from pulling out what is left of my hair. Any ideas?


Thanks!
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The two subwoofer outputs can be separate, depending on how you have configured your 2070. Page 145 of the 2070 manual lists the three possible settings for the subwoofers:

Left+Right - subs are separate (stereo if you will)
Front+Rear - subs are separate
Manural+2 - the two subs receive the same signal
Thanks bwillcox,
I read that paragraph several times and didn't get that meaning. In fact, was unsure what it was saying.. Thanks for the DUH moment,,, I love 'em...

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Hi folks;



I am at a loss and frustrated with my A2070 receiver.


My set up is a 82" Samsung QLED TV, with Apple TV, Xbox OneS, PS4, and Rogers cable box (Cisco) all connected through HDMI.


When I try to play any of the media devices, I just see a screen on my tv indicating that it can not connect to the device. When I look at the 2070 it show the red HDMI logo flash, along with the speaker icons, then it disappears and reappears. It seems like the receiver is trying to decode the signal.


I do not see the Yamaha piano screen on the TV. I do not hear sound.


Occasionally the apple tv will work, but this is only occasionally.


When the Apple TV works, I have tried switching HDMI cables from the Apple TV to the xbox, but the Xbox still doesn't show up.


I have hooked up my older Pioneer elite VSX-21THX and everything works without a problem, which makes me think there isn't a HDMI cable issue.


I took the 2070 to a Yamaha tech who hooked it up to his system and things worked.


Please help me from pulling out what is left of my hair. Any ideas?


Thanks!
It sure sounds like old HDMI cables to me. Are you running a 4K hookup?
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I read that paragraph several times and didn't get that meaning. In fact, was unsure what it was saying.. Thanks for the DUH moment,,, I love 'em...
Putting a finer spin on it. Assuming 2 subs connected; Stereo means that different "steered" bass is sent to each one, Left channels to left, right to right and - it assumes they are both in front. Both get the same LFE content. The Front-Rear setting assume they are split front and rear and steers bass according the channel it is from. so if you're listening to a stereo source, the rear gets nothing. Both still get the same LFE channel content. Monox2 gets the same steered bass to both, as well as LFE to both.

No matter which choice you make they are set up independently by YPAO for levels, distance and EQ. So these settings are not applied in YPAO, they are applied after. The only one of those settings that gets you max LF output is Monox2, and many folks will suggest using that.
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It sure sounds like old HDMI cables to me. Are you running a 4K hookup?

Yes, running 4k hookup.



My cables are rated 4k 2.0. Shouldn't that be sufficient?
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Yes, running 4k hookup.



My cables are rated 4k 2.0. Shouldn't that be sufficient?
They should be Certified Premium.

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Yes, running 4k hookup.



My cables are rated 4k 2.0. Shouldn't that be sufficient?
Your xbox s plays 4k discs, correct? Disconnect all other devices and try to play a 4k movie? If you have several cables, see if you can find 2 that will work??? One for xbox to 2070 and one to Sammy. If can't get a movie to play, further try and error is needed until you have known good cables. Remember, the whole chain has to be compliant.
O' double check your 4K settings in the 2070.
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5.2.4 config

new to the 2070.. Apparently, there is NO 5.2.4 setup? One uses "basic" and tells the system what speakers you have and where/how the atmos speakers are placed.. Correct? Also how you want the subs?

After running YPAO, the subs are really suppressed -8.5 and -10??? Really??

Suggestions, please? coming from a Onkyo that did nothing with the subs.

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new to the 2070.. Apparently, there is NO 5.2.4 setup? One uses "basic" and tells the system what speakers you have and where/how the atmos speakers are placed.. Correct? Also how you want the subs?

After running YPAO, the subs are really suppressed -8.5 and -10??? Really??

Suggestions, please? coming from a Onkyo that did nothing with the subs.

Sounds like your subs are set too high at the subs themselves.


Turn them down a bit and then re-run YPAO.


Should then be -2 or close to zero. Then if you want more bass, adjust to taste.

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Sounds like your subs are set too high at the subs themselves.


Turn them down a bit and then re-run YPAO.


Should then be -2 or close to zero. Then if you want more bass, adjust to taste.
You're right , of course, too high. I can't believe how much they will have to be lowered..!

I will level match them tomorrow..

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new to the 2070.. Apparently, there is NO 5.2.4 setup? One uses "basic" and tells the system what speakers you have and where/how the atmos speakers are placed.. Correct? Also how you want the subs?

After running YPAO, the subs are really suppressed -8.5 and -10??? Really??

Suggestions, please? coming from a Onkyo that did nothing with the subs.
Same here. Had to adjust sub's volume so after YPAO their level is 0 and add 3-4dB. That works really good for both, music and movies.

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Same here. Had to adjust sub's volume so after YPAO their level is 0 and add 3-4dB. That works really good for both, music and movies.
I've been doing that with all of my Yamana AVRs for years. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed.

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I've been doing that with all of my Yamana AVRs for years. As far as I can tell, nothing has changed.
If Yamaha could offer good sub EQ, I would consider their top of the line AVRs as one of the best all around - visual appearance is better than most; feature-wise they are decently packed; their reliability is very good, most of the time have enough power, mobile app is slick and smooth. Of course, excellence has no limitation and there are better units our there, but considering price/performance/quality ratio, A30x0/A20x0/A10x0 are very competitive!
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If Yamaha could offer good sub EQ, I would consider their top of the line AVRs as one of the best all around - visual appearance is better than most; feature-wise they are decently packed; their reliability is very good, most of the time have enough power, mobile app is slick and smooth. Of course, excellence has no limitation and there are better units our there, but considering price/performance/quality ratio, A30x0/A20x0/A10x0 are very competitive!


You can EQ the sub, manually, using a mic and REW. Other brands do not allow this. The best value is in the A20x0 series, they are closer in performance to the A30x0 series but closer in price to the A10x0 series

I am selling my A2070, with a lot of doubts, as I bought an Arcam AVR550, much more refined but much less spectacular
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Now that I have a MiniDSP and learned REW, I actually prefer the minimal sub eq that the yammys offer. You have full control of the eq. It’s not a plug and play and has a little learning curve, but I think it is worth it.
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Now that I have a MiniDSP and learned REW, I actually prefer the minimal sub eq that the yammys offer. You have full control of the eq. It’s not a plug and play and has a little learning curve, but I think it is worth it.


Do you use the Minidsp also to EQ the low frequencies of the front speakers or just the sub?

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Do you use the Minidsp also to EQ the low frequencies of the front speakers or just the sub?
Subs only for the MiniDSP.

I use YPAO for the speakers and adjust the PEQ on the avr after I run some sweeps through REW to see what everything looks like.

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... Can I have confidence that for the 11 conventional speakers that simply following the Red and Black color coding - which all the speakers and amplifier terminals have - will mean they'll all play in phase, or are there brand-do-brand variations of phase?

And will the subs - which are RCA-to-RCA wired - also be in phase with the other speakers?

Can I simply trust the 3070's YPAO room correction of the whole system to take care of phase differences?...
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I wouldn't always trust the YPAO to be accurate. Mine was showing speakers out of phase and when I had it professionally calibrated I was correct. A few speakers that showed out of phase were actually in phase.
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Ok. Does anyone know whether the industry has standardized enough that following the red and black color codes will put speakers in phase regardless of the brands of speakers and amplifiers in a mixed setup?
Red and Black always mean POS/GROUND or +/-.

My YPAO usually measures one speaker as out of phase, though I've checked the connections with a continuity testing multimeter and they are verified correct. If YPAO complains, just make CERTAIN your speaker wires aren't crossed, and you'll be fine.

I generally recommend to set the gain on your subwoofer such that YPAO sets the level to -2 to +2. If you want more bass you can nudge it up and you have plenty of adjustment room without ever getting up and touching your sub's controls. If you use an "AUTO ON" feature of your sub, shoot for YPAO setting the sub level(s) to roughly +2 so that the AVR is sending a slightly "strong" signal to trip the signal detection function of the power control. Anything outside of the range of -5 to +5 from YPAO tests probably means the sub "gain" set too high or too low.

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You can EQ the sub, manually, using a mic and REW. Other brands do not allow this. The best value is in the A20x0 series, they are closer in performance to the A30x0 series but closer in price to the A10x0 series
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I have the base 2 x 4 miniDSP and am having difficulty EQing. My questions for you if you can answer, thanks.

I have the 2070 also. How did you configure the subs? duo mono or left and right? both 2070 sub outs to Input 1 and Input 2 of the mini? Output 1 & 3 to the subs?
Did you EQ each sub separate? Then import that file to the PEQ output separately? I then added some PEQ manually to the input EQ to help some other dips?
Then I ran auto YPAO? Sorry if this is confusing.

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