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Technical names, please.
I'm guessing oldshield is referencing the Movie Theater 1 and 2 DSP modes based on the description from his RX-V1000 user manual:



You would have to look to the new Yamaha's manual to find descriptions of the current DSP modes offered in the RX-AX070 models
Source: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audi...downloads.html

Snip from the RX-A3070 manual shows 7 different Movie DSP modes:



BTW oldshield, the Yamaha 70 series AVR's have been out of production for almost 2 years now, replaced with the 80 series in 2018.
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I'm guessing oldshield is referencing the Movie Theater 1 and 2 DSP modes based on the description from his RX-V1000 user manual:



You would have to look to the new Yamaha's manual to find descriptions of the current DSP modes offered in the RX-AX070 models
Source: https://usa.yamaha.com/products/audi...downloads.html

BTW oldshield, the Yamaha 70 series AVR's have been out of production for almost 2 years now, replaced with the 80 series in 2018
Good show. You are way more dedicated than I am.
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Hi, I need some advise on speaker connecting.

Currently I have 5.1.2 and using bi amp for the front speaker.

I have use F presence channel for bi amp for my front speaker.
R presence for front height speaker.

Can I use the surround back channel as rear height speaker?

If yes, how should I set the amp configuration in my amplifier?

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Can I use the surround back channel as rear height speaker?
No. Ditch biamping. There's no benefit.
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Which model are you referring to, and Did you read the manual?

When the 9 internal amps are configured for 5.1.4
the Back Surround channels are totally disabled,
So No, you cannot re-assign them for anything else.

In regards to Bi-Amping,
Unless you are using external amps and an external crossover system...
The AVR's internal amplifiers all share a common power supply.
So there is ZERO sonic benefit in splitting that power up when feeding your front speakers.

You can take a gallon of water and split that into 8 pints at 16 oz each
or you can pour out 16 cups at 8 oz each, the end result is the exact same volume.

Ditch your Bi-Amp misconceptions, Setup with Basic Amp assignment and configure your system as 5.1.4
Use the Front presence channel for Front Height speakers and Rear Presence channel for Rear Height speakers.
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Hi I am using A3070 using external power amp as well.

For A3070, is there any way to have front height and 4 X ceiling for Atmos?

I am trying to see what the optimal usage for this amplifier.

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Hi I am using A3070 using external power amp as well.

For A3070, is there any way to have front height and 4 X ceiling for Atmos?

I am trying to see what the optimal usage for this amplifier.

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No.

Maximum 4 height channels.

The remaining 7, if used, must feed ear level speakers.

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Thank you for all the advise

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I've got dual PB2000s and I'm relatively happy with the performance, although would like more tactile bass.

I ordered a miniDSP 2x4HD, but I'm wondering if it will offer significant better EQ vs. utilizing YPAO or using REW with the Umik-1 with manually adjusting EQ.

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What source device(s)? What type source content? Cables is the most likely cause.
Periodic HDCP handshakes getting dropped is the usual cause of audio/video dropouts.
I have the same issue...periodic audio dropouts when streaming from my Roku with audio coming back to my Yamaha RX-A3020 via the ARC HDMI port.


I tried everything one could think of with no luck (including buying ridiculously expensive HDMI cables).


I finally gave up on ARC and CEC and bought a HDFury AVR Key which separates the HDMI video and audio channels and I then connected the HDMI video to the TV (LG C9) and the HDMI audio directly to the RX-A3020. I had to turn off CEC on both the TV and Yamaha but i no longer have the dropouts.



The only downside is that i can't use the built-in Netflix or Amazon apps on the LG C9 because i had to turn off ARC, so i lost Dolby Vision since the Roku only does HDR10. I figure that's a small price to pay to get Dolby Digital+ instead of just Dolby Digital over an optical cable. If i really want Dolby Vision, I guess i can always buy an Apple TV to replace the Roku.


Maybe next year i'll replace the old RX-A3020 with a 3070 or 3080 which i suppose would solve all the problems, but I am still recovering from the LG C9 purchase :-)
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Hello, I am writing to you from Spain, I bought a yamaha RX A3070 a few months ago and I have had a hard time getting used to it since I come from Denon and it is true that it is superior in calibration but especially in the subwoofer. The thing is, I hardly find any information about adjustments, measurements, calibrations or tricks. Could someone tell me if it is better to calibrate 8 points or less and how to place the microphone. thanks for everything and a hug from spain
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Hello, I am writing to you from Spain, I bought a yamaha RX A3070 a few months ago and I have had a hard time getting used to it since I come from Denon and it is true that it is superior in calibration but especially in the subwoofer. The thing is, I hardly find any information about adjustments, measurements, calibrations or tricks. Could someone tell me if it is better to calibrate 8 points or less and how to place the microphone. thanks for everything and a hug from spain
Start by reading the owners manual.
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hi thanks your reply. I have read it and after two months and an infinity of tests, calibrations and measurements with rew now after so long trying to leave it to my liking I have achieved a sound that I like. I have read the manual and everything that I have found that is not much especially when it comes to calibrations, I will continue testing and if someone can advise me some kind of calibration that works well I will appreciate it and I will try it thank you very much
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hi thanks your reply. I have read it and after two months and an infinity of tests, calibrations and measurements with rew now after so long trying to leave it to my liking I have achieved a sound that I like. I have read the manual and everything that I have found that is not much especially when it comes to calibrations, I will continue testing and if someone can advise me some kind of calibration that works well I will appreciate it and I will try it thank you very much
A lot of the advice in the Audyssey threads and articles/guides also applies to multi point YPAO.

A few differences I'm aware of:

1. YPAO is pretty much useless for sub EQ, not just under ~30Hz, but in general. However, the 20x0 and 30x0 have separate levels and distances for dual subs, which is like Sub EQ HT on the Audyssey based AVRs minus the (actual) sub EQ part.

2. Audyssey only uses the first mic position for setting levels, distances, and crossovers. YPAO uses an average of all mic positions, though the first spot is likely given more 'weight' than the rest.

3. The speaker EQ includes both the hidden impulse response filters (RSC, which is Reflected Sound Control) and the visible PEQ filters you can tweak if copied to the manual PEQ preset.

The sub EQ is PEQ only and is likely only useful if you tweak it manually in REW with the UMIK-1 calibrated USB mic.

Audyssey uses the impulse response filters throughout everything and there are no tweak able PEQ filters. However, the Audyssey editor app on mobile devices is probably a much easier way to tweak EQ and other useful settings as it is more intuitive and doesn't require REW or UMIK-1. Also, you can limit EQ to the modal range, which is somewhere between 200Hz and 500Hz, depending on room size (likely 300Hz or lower in most HT rooms).

4. The 3D angle/height is a useful feature with YPAO that optimizes the object tracking used in Dolby Atmos and DTS:X soundtracks. It also optimizes the Cinema DSP modes, if you are into that.
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hi thanks your reply. I have read it and after two months and an infinity of tests, calibrations and measurements with rew now after so long trying to leave it to my liking I have achieved a sound that I like. I have read the manual and everything that I have found that is not much especially when it comes to calibrations, I will continue testing and if someone can advise me some kind of calibration that works well I will appreciate it and I will try it thank you very much
A lot of the advice in the Audyssey threads and articles/guides also applies to multi point YPAO.

A few differences I'm aware of:

1. YPAO is pretty much useless for sub EQ, not just under ~30Hz, but in general. However, the 20x0 and 30x0 have separate levels and distances for dual subs, which is like Sub EQ HT on the Audyssey based AVRs minus the (actual) sub EQ part.

2. Audyssey only uses the first mic position for setting levels, distances, and crossovers. YPAO uses an average of all mic positions, though the first spot is likely given more 'weight' than the rest.

3. The speaker EQ includes both the hidden impulse response filters (RSC, which is Reflected Sound Control) and the visible PEQ filters you can tweak if copied to the manual PEQ preset.

The sub EQ is PEQ only and is likely only useful if you tweak it manually in REW with the UMIK-1 calibrated USB mic.

Audyssey uses the impulse response filters throughout everything and there are no tweak able PEQ filters. However, the Audyssey editor app on mobile devices is probably a much easier way to tweak EQ and other useful settings as it is more intuitive and doesn't require REW or UMIK-1. Also, you can limit EQ to the modal range, which is somewhere between 200Hz and 500Hz, depending on room size (likely 300Hz or lower in most HT rooms).

4. The 3D angle/height is a useful feature with YPAO that optimizes the object tracking used in Dolby Atmos and DTS:X soundtracks. It also optimizes the Cinema DSP modes, if you are into that.
Thank you very much for your response, between my denon 4300 and my yamaha I see differences in calibration even now there are not as many as at the beginning, if it is true that. pair to match in quality and still continues to beat audyssey to ypao. I'm in trouble because I really don't know what to do if I keep yamaha a little worse in calibration but still new and superior in others. many aspects or stay with the denon that although it is. older works perfectly has audyssey and with the app I have more adjustment options
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I've got dual PB2000s and I'm relatively happy with the performance, although would like more tactile bass.

I ordered a miniDSP 2x4HD, but I'm wondering if it will offer significant better EQ vs. utilizing YPAO or using REW with the Umik-1 with manually adjusting EQ.

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Do you have the PB2000 Pro's or the previous generation? The Pro series offers the app and 3 PEQ bands, combine that with the 4 PEQ band adjustments in YPAO manual and you can do quite a bit using REW. But, yes the MiniDSP will offer you more. However, with REW and YPAO manual sub tuning you can achieve a very good low frequency response providing that you have location possibilities to solve any severe problems.
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Do you have the PB2000 Pro's or the previous generation? The Pro series offers the app and 3 PEQ bands, combine that with the 4 PEQ band adjustments in YPAO manual and you can do quite a bit using REW. But, yes the MiniDSP will offer you more. However, with REW and YPAO manual sub tuning you can achieve a very good low frequency response providing that you have location possibilities to solve any severe problems.
I've got the non-Pro model. I just received a miniDSP 2x4HD so I'm gonna give it a shot! Not sure if I should use REW first to EQ the subs, then YPAO or the reverse.

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Question Adding this power amp be any benefit

Would adding the NAD C 275BEE power amp be any benefit to me with what I have?

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Would adding the NAD C 275BEE power amp be any benefit to me with what I have?

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Had to look up Funk Audio. I would spend the money on a center channel speaker, but that's just my opinion. That would give you a more noticeable performance increase than the power amp.
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I've got the non-Pro model. I just received a miniDSP 2x4HD so I'm gonna give it a shot! Not sure if I should use REW first to EQ the subs, then YPAO or the reverse.

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YPAO then REW.
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I use an antimode 8033 cinema and the subwoofer leaves me well, I have been testing for several days comparing with my denon 4300 with audyssey xt32 I remove one and put the other so I am but at the moment I have decided to leave yamaha since I have noticed very big differences In sound, small subtleties that in the denon are only increased by increasing the volume in excess and in Yamaha or it is necessary to increase it since it gives more detail. When I have my umik that now a friend has measurements and I will share them with you
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When he told me to read the manual, I remembered one thing that, in this manual, I think can lead to confusion or bad measurement. In this manual, only four multipoint and single point measurement schemes are used, because if the microphone is placed as shown in the image the sound is not even remotely what it should have I have tried with the 5-position on several occasions and that measurement is from my point of view very bad, I have tried with others that I have seen and have recommended me and the result has been totally different and much better.
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Do you have the PB2000 Pro's or the previous generation? The Pro series offers the app and 3 PEQ bands, combine that with the 4 PEQ band adjustments in YPAO manual and you can do quite a bit using REW. But, yes the MiniDSP will offer you more. However, with REW and YPAO manual sub tuning you can achieve a very good low frequency response providing that you have location possibilities to solve any severe problems.
I've got the non-Pro model. I just received a miniDSP 2x4HD so I'm gonna give it a shot! Not sure if I should use REW first to EQ the subs, then YPAO or the reverse.

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YPAO then REW.
For my single sub, I EQ first in the MiniDSP and then run YPAO. That allows YPAO to set an accurate sub level that reflects the MiniDSP sub EQ.

For dual subs with the 20x0 or higher (that set separate levels and distances for 2 subs), I would run YPAO first to get the individual levels and distances right then EQ the combined response in the MiniDSP and finally increase the 2 subs levels equally to taste or combined output of 75dB if using REW SPL meter tool.

Also be sure to disable any sub PEQ in the Yamaha manual speaker setup menu before running sweeps in REW for MiniDSP sub EQ. You can do that by setting PEQ to Through or copying YPAO flat or natural to manual and zeroing the PEQ gains for each sub in the Yamaha manual PEQ menu.
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When he told me to read the manual, I remembered one thing that, in this manual, I think can lead to confusion or bad measurement. In this manual, only four multipoint and single point measurement schemes are used, because if the microphone is placed as shown in the image the sound is not even remotely what it should have I have tried with the 5-position on several occasions and that measurement is from my point of view very bad, I have tried with others that I have seen and have recommended me and the result has been totally different and much better.
Which mic positions worked for you with the Yamaha?
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When he told me to read the manual, I remembered one thing that, in this manual, I think can lead to confusion or bad measurement. In this manual, only four multipoint and single point measurement schemes are used, because if the microphone is placed as shown in the image the sound is not even remotely what it should have I have tried with the 5-position on several occasions and that measurement is from my point of view very bad, I have tried with others that I have seen and have recommended me and the result has been totally different and much better.
In my manual 1 point, 4 point and 2 different 5 point are shown.
How do you know the sound is not even remotely what it should be?
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In my manual 1 point, 4 point and 2 different 5 point are shown.
How do you know the sound is not even remotely what it should be?
in my case I have tried several, all looking at the manual and getting a very clear but totally dead sound in low frequencies, both in the sub and in general in the front scene, I have been three months or four with the yamaha av up to point d decide to sell it and now is when I am starting to enjoy it, I have tried others that I will now put in a drawing and I have really noticed a big difference
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Which mic positions worked for you with the Yamaha?
This drawing shows the two that I have tried. The second is how the first one is calibrated in a blog that I saw from an Australian man. The first, the result is very good. I think that it is important that all the measurements are close together. result in my case has been really good and now is when I am enjoying with this av.
once in a while i switch from yamaha to denon i use it for a few days and i disassemble it again to see the differences
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This drawing shows the two that I have tried. The second is how the first one is calibrated in a blog that I saw from an Australian man. The first, the result is very good. I think that it is important that all the measurements are close together. result in my case has been really good and now is when I am enjoying with this av.
once in a while i switch from yamaha to denon i use it for a few days and i disassemble it again to see the differences
By doing only this it made your low frequencies sound much better?
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By doing only this it made your low frequencies sound much better?
I have noticed a lot of difference, do not misunderstand me, I am not here to be smart or to know more than anyone, much less discuss with people who have much more knowledge than me, I only explain my experience and if someone can come in handy That makes me happy because in these months that I have the Yamaha I have not been able to get the performance that I sensed it could give and little by little I am getting it.
Many, many people have told me to sell it, that I was not going to give more than what was given, but I don't know why, but I have high hopes for this av and I think it can be very good.
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For my single sub, I EQ first in the MiniDSP and then run YPAO. That allows YPAO to set an accurate sub level that reflects the MiniDSP sub EQ.

For dual subs with the 20x0 or higher (that set separate levels and distances for 2 subs), I would run YPAO first to get the individual levels and distances right then EQ the combined response in the MiniDSP and finally increase the 2 subs levels equally to taste or combined output of 75dB if using REW SPL meter tool.

Also be sure to disable any sub PEQ in the Yamaha manual speaker setup menu before running sweeps in REW for MiniDSP sub EQ. You can do that by setting PEQ to Through or copying YPAO flat or natural to manual and zeroing the PEQ gains for each sub in the Yamaha manual PEQ menu.
Great advice, this is actually what I did yesterday:

1. I had my YPAO calibration set everything.
2. Ran REW measurements with the EQ set to through.
3. Used REW+MiniDSP and adjusted the subs EQ.
4. Restored the YPAO EQ, but copied the Flat settings to Manual and zeroed out the Sub EQ parameters YPAO originally set.

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