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post #211 of 5024 Old 07-21-2017, 07:54 AM
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Does anyone think the 2070 would sound better than the 7810/RX-V781

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Does anyone think the 2070 would sound better than the 7810/RX-V781

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Given it's a higher level model with better quality DACs and YPAO, it should, yes. Not to mention it is the lowest Yamaha model that can support 4 presence speakers.
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Hi - I just ordered a 2070 and should be receiving it on Monday. I'm looking through the manual and trying to figure out how to hook up all the zones. I'm going to need:
Zone 1 - Living Room - HDMI + 5.1
Zone 2 - Master Bedroom - HDMI + 2.0
Zone 3 - Front Deck - 2.0
Zone 4 - Master bath - 2.0

Zone 1, Zone 2, and Zone 4 should hopefully be able to play content simultaneously, independently of the other zones. If Zone 3 needs to use unused outputs from Zone 1, I'm OK with that, but the manual doesn't seem exactly clear on that front. Otherwise, the manual seems clear enough on how to hook up audio for zones 2 and 3, and I'm assuming doing HDMI is just a matter of assigning one of the inputs and an output to that zone.

So I think that's ultimately my current question - how do I get 2.0 audio in a 4th zone?

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I got the 2070 like 2 weeks ago and have loved it every minute of it. You will not regret it either. You should download the manual and start reading on it so when you get it, you have an idea of what you want to do.

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Hi - I just ordered a 2070 and should be receiving it on Monday. I'm looking through the manual and trying to figure out how to hook up all the zones. I'm going to need:
Zone 1 - Living Room - HDMI + 5.1
Zone 2 - Master Bedroom - HDMI + 2.0
Zone 3 - Front Deck - 2.0
Zone 4 - Master bath - 2.0

Zone 1, Zone 2, and Zone 4 should hopefully be able to play content simultaneously, independently of the other zones. If Zone 3 needs to use unused outputs from Zone 1, I'm OK with that, but the manual doesn't seem exactly clear on that front. Otherwise, the manual seems clear enough on how to hook up audio for zones 2 and 3, and I'm assuming doing HDMI is just a matter of assigning one of the inputs and an output to that zone.

So I think that's ultimately my current question - how do I get 2.0 audio in a 4th zone?

Thanks!

Zone 4 is HDMI Out only so this must be connected to another AVR and then the Master Bath speakers are connected to that AVR.
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My 3070 is here. Swapping out a 3050 for it...7.2.4.

I'm sure it won't sound too much different but we'll see. I really just picked it up for the future Dolby Vision support.
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3070 here and there's not a trace of the brightness described on previous 30#0 models. Replacing a Pioneer Elite SC-97.


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Hello,

I am setting up my 3070 and I can't seem to find a way to disable the l/r surround speakers but leave the rear surround on? In the configuration menu I've got everything else working in terms of speakers except this. If I disable side surround rear surround dims out.

Any other tips for setting this up right? I have:

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I assume the surround and front atmos speakers are considered large, what about crossover frequency?

I am pretty excited to get this working want to sort out the speaker config issue first then do the auto setup
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Hello,

I am setting up my 3070 and I can't seem to find a way to disable the l/r surround speakers but leave the rear surround on? In the configuration menu I've got everything else working in terms of speakers except this. If I disable side surround rear surround dims out.

Any other tips for setting this up right? I have:

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I assume the surround and front atmos speakers are considered large, what about crossover frequency?

I am pretty excited to get this working want to sort out the speaker config issue first then do the auto setup
Since you were able to disable the sides, I think they have to be used which is why it dims the rear surrounds. Don't think it's possible to use only the rear surrounds without the sides then. I would try messing with my 2070, but I'm a tad work atm. I'll try and see if mine does it also when I get a chance, or see if I can figure out a way to do what you are trying to do.

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Since you were able to disable the sides, I think they have to be used which is why it dims the rear surrounds. Don't think it's possible to use only the rear surrounds without the sides then. I would try messing with my 2070, but I'm a tad work atm. I'll try and see if mine does it also when I get a chance, or see if I can figure out a way to do what you are trying to do.
Thanks for the reply! Not sure why they force you to have side surrounds when you only have rear surrounds? If you figure it out let me know!
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Thanks for the reply! Not sure why they force you to have side surrounds when you only have rear surrounds? If you figure it out let me know!
Most (if not all) brands require a 5.1 setup before expanding to 7.1. Although not ideal for a 5.1 setup, if placing your "side surround" speakers to the rear, what you would do is simply connect your rear surround speakers to the SURROUND speaker posts.

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I assume the surround and front atmos speakers are considered large, what about crossover frequency?
Why? All speakers should be set to SMALL with a minimum crossover of 80Hz. If the FL/FR are set to LARGE after running YPAO, manually change them to SMALL/80Hz.

Also, your Front Presence speakers, configured as Dolby Enabled SP, will likely be set to a much higher crossover (eg. 150Hz).

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Most (if not all) brands require a 5.1 setup before expanding to 7.1. Although not ideal for a 5.1 setup, if placing your "side surround" speakers to the rear, what you would do is simply connect your rear surround speakers to the SURROUND speaker posts.
I was actually thinking this, if there is no other way, although it might throw of the sound a bit thinking its a side surround effect but you will hear it on the back instead of the sides. And i also changed my settings after i ran the auto calibration. It set my center as large and an 80hz crossover. I switched it to small, and at 100hz, as well as all the other speakers that were marked at 80hz.

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I was actually thinking this, if there is no other way, although it might throw of the sound a bit thinking its a side surround effect but you will hear it on the back instead of the sides. And i also changed my settings after i ran the auto calibration. It set my center as large and an 80hz crossover. I switched it to small, and at 100hz, as well as all the other speakers that were marked at 80hz.
Exactly which is why I said it's not ideal. Although for a 5.1 setup, the "side surrounds" should ideally be placed from 90-110 degrees to the side of the main listening position, in some instances this is not possible due to the make up of the room or WAF, thus requiring them to be placed behind the main listening position.
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Ok, got home, and exactly as you said, when you set none for sides, the rear surrounds get disabled as well. Don't think there is a way around it. Only thing you can do is plug them to the side surrounds but place them in the rear how you want and see how it does in sound placement.

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My 3070 is here. Swapping out a 3050 for it...7.2.4.

I'm sure it won't sound too much different but we'll see. I really just picked it up for the future Dolby Vision support.
Although I am on a 3060 and I am happy with it, I am subscribed to this thread and interested in your feedback (3050 vs. 3070). I am also setting up Atmos this weekend, but in a 5.1.4. Best of success in your upgrade.
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3070 here and there's not a trace of the brightness described on previous 30#0 models. Replacing a Pioneer Elite SC-97.


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I have a Pioneer SC-99. The only other receivers I've owned have been Denons. I am considering getting a Yamaha as my next receiver. Would love to hear your comparisons between your SC-97 and your 3070.
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I have a Pioneer SC-99. The only other receivers I've owned have been Denons. I am considering getting a Yamaha as my next receiver. Would love to hear your comparisons between your SC-97 and your 3070.


From the start, there's a difference in the way DSD sounds. A lot more mellow than the SC-97. Also, the 3070 extract more sound and better placement in Star Trek Beyond's Dolby Atmost soundtrack.

Just initial observations. I need more time to go disc by disc basis and listen.


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Most (if not all) brands require a 5.1 setup before expanding to 7.1. Although not ideal for a 5.1 setup, if placing your "side surround" speakers to the rear, what you would do is simply connect your rear surround speakers to the SURROUND speaker posts.



Why? All speakers should be set to SMALL with a minimum crossover of 80Hz. If the FL/FR are set to LARGE after running YPAO, manually change them to SMALL/80Hz.

Also, your Front Presence speakers, configured as Dolby Enabled SP, will likely be set to a much higher crossover (eg. 150Hz).
Thanks for the response, I have the speakers on the surround speaker posts now and will calibrate YPAO shortly. A question on the speaker crossover - is the reason you select SMALL on the speaker size is for all the low frequency sound to go to the sub vs the speakers themselves? I assume 80Hz is fine for all the speakers (I will change them all to small). I was going to run YPAO with two spots in the room - I have 4 home theater chairs but most of the time it's just me or two of us - thought I'd get measurements at both chairs. Any downside in doing that?
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Thanks for the response, I have the speakers on the surround speaker posts now and will calibrate YPAO shortly. A question on the speaker crossover - is the reason you select SMALL on the speaker size is for all the low frequency sound to go to the sub vs the speakers themselves? I assume 80Hz is fine for all the speakers (I will change them all to small). I was going to run YPAO with two spots in the room - I have 4 home theater chairs but most of the time it's just me or two of us - thought I'd get measurements at both chairs. Any downside in doing that?
1. Correct. Not only is the sub generally far more capable of presenting the lower frequencies, but by doing so, you also pass the load over to the sub and give the AVR more available headroom.
2. Not necessarily, and as I already indicated not likely at all for your upward firing Atmos modules. Run YPAO. If any crossovers are set above 80Hz, leave them alone.
3. The more data (ie. mic positions) YPAO receives, the more accurate it can render an EQ. Focus all of the 8 mic positions within 1-2' around the main listening position only.
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Hi all,

Well I splurged and got myself a 3070 on my birthday because why the hell not. Got it Thursday and I'm still playing around with it. I upgraded from an Aventage RX A2020. It's quite a big leap in quality. Really enjoying having Dolby Atmos. I ran YPAO and it got the distance to my speakers spot on the first time. I'm trying to decide whether to go 7.2.2 or 5.2.4. So far I have everything wired for 5.2.4 and it sounds amazing. Oddly enough, and I know this will be sacrilege to some, but I'm using my BP8040 Definitive Technology surrounds as my Atmos rear height speakers and they work great. They're about 12" behind the seating area up at ceiling level on the side wall near the rear corner of the room. I thought the overhead soundfield would sound all janky with those speakers and the the placement but it doesn't at all. All the effects sound like they're coming from where they're supposed to. Kong: Skull Island sounded absolutely amazeballs.

Anyhow if anyone has any questions or is looking for a cheap RX A2020 (joke) let me know.

Have a great weekend everyone!!

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Hi all,

Well I splurged and got myself a 3070 on my birthday because why the hell not. Got it Thursday and I'm still playing around with it. I upgraded from an Aventage RX A2020. It's quite a big leap in quality. Really enjoying having Dolby Atmos. I ran YPAO and it got the distance to my speakers spot on the first time. I'm trying to decide whether to go 7.2.2 or 5.2.4. So far I have everything wired for 5.2.4 and it sounds amazing. Oddly enough, and I know this will be sacrilege to some, but I'm using my BP8040 Definitive Technology surrounds as my Atmos rear height speakers and they work great. They're about 12" behind the seating area up at ceiling level on the side wall near the rear corner of the room. I thought the overhead soundfield would sound all janky with those speakers and the the placement but it doesn't at all. All the effects sound like they're coming from where they're supposed to. Kong: Skull Island sounded absolutely amazeballs.

Anyhow if anyone has any questions or is looking for a cheap RX A2020 (joke) let me know.

Have a great weekend everyone!!

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You really don't have sufficient room (need 3-4') to place Rear Surround speakers. Suggesting go with a 5.2.4 as 4 height speakers will be superior to 2 height speakers.
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I'm trying to decide whether to go 7.2.2 or 5.2.4. So far I have everything wired for 5.2.4 and it sounds amazing.

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That was my dilemma too. I tried 7.2.2 when I first got it and liked it.
Then I tried 5.2.4 since everyone said it was more immersive and I thought I'd miss my rear surrounds. Sure enough they were right. It sounds so much bettter and I don't miss the rears at all. 5.2.4 for sure!!!
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Hi guys,

Picked up the Yamaha 1070 in Australia for $1760AU on Saturday, and I'm loving the hell out of this thing. Okay, I'm sure that sounds like a lot but when you factor in the 'Australia tax' it's not so bad, really. I was happy with the price, all in all.

My old receiver was an Onkyo TX-NR1007, purchased in late 2010 (and died recently), and I liked it but as such I'm a little behind the times when it comes to the latest technologies. My home theatre room's about 6.5m x 3.5m with a standard 7.1 setup at the moment, and I've heard about Dolby Atmos and DTS:X and all that gaff, so... is it really worth me considering getting a pair of ceiling speakers installed? Do the heights really add that much, and is the benefit just to more recent movies or can it be for older ones also? I must admit I could lose the surround backs, they've never worked for me as much as I'd have liked, though I understand with the A1070 I can only consider one pair of heights, and not two (not so much an issue for me as budget is a huge concern). That being the case though, what do most typically consider to be better, front heights or overhead?
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You really don't have sufficient room (need 3-4') to place Rear Surround speakers. Suggesting go with a 5.2.4 as 4 height speakers will be superior to 2 height speakers.
Hi JD,

Thanks for the advice. You were totally right. Works perfectly. Still playing around with settings and stuff. But so far super happy!!

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That was my dilemma too. I tried 7.2.2 when I first got it and liked it.
Then I tried 5.2.4 since everyone said it was more immersive and I thought I'd miss my rear surrounds. Sure enough they were right. It sounds so much bettter and I don't miss the rears at all. 5.2.4 for sure!!!
Hi Ki,

I played with 7.2.2 and it wasn't as awesome 5.2.4. I'm solidly in the 5.2.4 camp with you.

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Although I am on a 3060 and I am happy with it, I am subscribed to this thread and interested in your feedback (3050 vs. 3070). I am also setting up Atmos this weekend, but in a 5.1.4. Best of success in your upgrade.
I replaced my 3050 with a 3070 a few weeks ago now and do 'feel' that it sounds a bit better than the 3050 did. However, since there was no way I could to a fair A/B comparison, it could of course simply be a placebo effect that I'm experiencing.
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My 3070 is here. Swapping out a 3050 for it...7.2.4.

I'm sure it won't sound too much different but we'll see. I really just picked it up for the future Dolby Vision support.
Got it all installed yesterday. No issues. YPAO was easy money. Had to select the 3060 in the Harmony remote setup but seems it's the same codes.

Defaulted to HDMI Mode 1 (full-up 4k 4:4:4) which I believe is a change.

It has an auto naming setting for inputs that labels based on what the source provides over HDMI (like a 40% solution but you're not flying completely blind while flipping thru 7 HDMI inputs)

Digging the "Auto" Surround decoder setting that selects Dolby Surround Upmixer/Atmos or DTS Neural:X/DTS-X based on input format. Slight changes to what the unit displays on its screen regarding the incoming audio signal.

I think they updated some of the graphics from the 3050 (volume is in the bottom right corner on the 3070 vs centered on the 3050). None of the big stuff though (YPAO/On Screen/Information looks the same).

This was a brand new install at a house I just moved into so I can't really comment on the new DACs other than the whole setup (still) sounds great! Ran through:
Olympus Has Fallen C-130 crash to turn up the base a bit from the anemic YPAO (went from -7.0/-6.5db to -1.5/-1.0db)
4k John Wick Club scene to double check the sub level & Atmos action
4k Harry Potter where they go down to the bank vault on the train for the DTS-X
Steven Wilson's "Hand.Cannot.Erase" on BD-Audio (96/24 PCM 5.1) to test music
First half of 4k Fifth Element (Atmos - sounds good but the overheads aren't used much)
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Would professionals elaborate what are the differences with 2070 to 3070? Front page does not say explicitly as also Yamaha site, except different DAC and more power etc.

Set myself on implementing 5.2.4 in the dedicated room and 2-Channel Audio in a different room. Still exploring how can I do 2 Ch. in a most efficient way.
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is it really worth me considering getting a pair of ceiling speakers installed? Do the heights really add that much, and is the benefit just to more recent movies or can it be for older ones also? I must admit I could lose the surround backs, they've never worked for me as much as I'd have liked, though I understand with the A1070 I can only consider one pair of heights, and not two (not so much an issue for me as budget is a huge concern). That being the case though, what do most typically consider to be better, front heights or overhead?
Just move the rears to the ceiling. That's what I did, and bought another pair to make .4, but you can't do that. You will still get some nice effects with a pair up there, as opposed to none.

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Ran through:Olympus Has Fallen C-130 crash to turn up the base a bit from the anemic YPAO (went from -7.0/-6.5db to -1.5/-1.0db)
I also tend to think YPAO doesn't like bass. I cranked up 1.5-2db as well and even use extra bass and now it sounds just perfect.

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Received my RX-a3070 last Friday from Best Buy. I am coming from a Sony STRDN1040 and a Pioneer Elite SC-55 and wanted to start the process of getting into Dolby Atmos and 4K (I did own a Halcro SSP-80, fantastic sound, but became inoperable). So I purchased this unit vs say the 2070 because it has an xlr input which I prefer over RCA's connectivity for my Schiit Gungnir DAC. I did not purchase the unit for 2-channel music listening, but for surround sound only, however...more on that later. This is my first Yamaha and do not have experience with Denon/Marantz.

When I first connected the unit I was listening to Christopher Blackshaw playing Mozart on the piano, while I knew it was a cold start something was off. So, I used the Chesky Jazz Sampler Vol. 1, Track 10 "Introduction and Left-Right Imaging Test", which I have used for so many years to adjust speaker placement (specially when the cleaning lady comes by) and yep, channels were reversed. So I went back to listening and there was still something out of place, but this time it was imaging and harder to pinpoint. So I moved the speakers here and there and nothing. I started to get disappointed in my purchase when as a last effort I decided to check my connections again, and yep, the right channel had the phase reversed at the receiver! So my point here is that the 3070 is a resolving amp. Very impressed!

Then I decided to let the electronics stabilize by playing FM radio for the day and returned for more music at night before going to surround to see how the unit could stand as a preamp with an outboard amp. Well, both of my Bel Canto S300 amps bit the dust with one channel not sounding on one unit and the other with a hum, neither due to the Yamaha. So it was the Yamaha by itself going music solo for now until I fix the Bel Cantos.

I started with audio listening only. First I left all cabling the same (Canare interconnects/speaker) and the sound was a bit dark and non-envolving for me for music listening. No issues here, again, I purchased the unit for surround duty only. But then I decided to change the speaker cables to OCOS and used the Cardas xlr interconnects to just to see what would happen and boom, focus, lots of it. So, then I took out the MacBook Pro, hooked Roon to the Schiit, and learned to engage the pure music direct mode on the receiver and now we had lateral soundstage beyond the speakers, and images began to take physical shape in the room, and about a couple of days later a level of musicality showed up (probably from the Gungnir warming up after being unplugged for the change up) that had me tapping my feet and spending hours listening to music into the night. So, again, not intending to use the RX-a3070 for music, but for surround only, and now I am driving home from work anticipating another night of music listening, and this is from a receiver. In other words, the Yamaha RX-a3070 is capable of a musically engaging sound. Have I had better sound in my room, yes, but not from a receiver and certainly not this at this price point. Surprised, impressed and happy. I did not have this experience with the Sony and Pioneer in the past. So I have decided to experiment with other cables I have in hand and more speaker room placement and adjusting acoustic treatments to get the best music from the unit. I believe this will bear more musical fruit in the future. Good times ahead.

When it came to surround, the YPAO setup with my Goldenear 5.1 system it was a simple process thanks to the followed the advice from a website (https://simplehomecinema.com/2017/05...the-right-way/). For three nights I watched Harry Potter movies with my kids every night. And every night my kids, specially my 11 year old, kept on saying how fantastic the sound was and how it sounded like a movie theater. I concur. Based on my past surround sound experience in my room, the Yamaha did a much better presentation vs the Sony and Pioneer. For the first time in a long time I did not miss the Halcro SSP. I know there are power output and other setup issues at play here that I would have to match to make a more calibrated judgment, but in the end, the Yamaha corrected the bass/acoustics of my room in a way the other two receivers and the Halcro had not. YPAO is doing a lot of work here, and the wall of sound and immersive bubble (of a 5.1 setup) was palpable. The word that kept on coming up for me was dynamic! Cannot wait to get to the Atmos setup in my room ready.

I am not going to talk about areas of improvement (what, no HD Radio?), but let's just say that I got this unit for surround only, and now I am considering building a 2 channel audio music system around the RX-a3070 with another outboard amp for the front left/right channel and let the receiver amplify the rest of the system as it grows into an Atmos setup.

For home video, movies, video connectivity, even power (I am lucky that my Triton's and subwoofer are already amplified in the bass, so not a lot of work for the receiver here) this receiver has surpassed my expectation. For audio only, I can only speak of what I fed it and what came out, and it is very good indeed.

Highly recommended.
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