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Anthem AVM 60 ARC Advanced settings

This will be devoted to Anthem AVM 60 ARC Advanced settings and tuning.
Other anthem receivers with current ARC should also be included .

I will start by saying that I'm very happy with the sound quality from this top quality pre-pro.

I've done my first ARC calibrations, and they definitely help with imaging, sound quality, and intelligibility.

It's great to see the corrections to individual speakers, especially those near walls and corners like my surround.

Also think that we should discuss the speaker placement for 3-D sound formats etc.

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I have a small room and the Schroeder frequency is 130 Hz in my little theater room.
I'm using B& W speakers listed in my signature.

In the past, I have used 60 Hz crossovers to avoid localization of bass from the sub woofer, plus my speakers are high-quality.

Now, with the anthem, it suggests much higher crossover points and more direction to the subwoofer.

So, one question is where we should set the crossover points. I'm still using 60 Hz.

Another question is where is the cut off for correction should be.
I've seen suggestions for both 500 and 5000 Hz.

Currently, I started with 5000 Hz but need to compare .

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Crossovers should beset on room acoustics and not speaker capability unless the speakers are not capable like smaller speakers that need a higher crossover. The best place for bass has to do with proper placement of speaker and subs to get the best response at the listening position. The best placement for bass frequencies is rarely if ever the best place for midrange and high frequencies. It is one of the reasons for a speaker/ subwoofer system as it allows the sub to placed in an area that is best for bass response. Setting crossovers lower because the speaker can go lower hinders the best bass response. Sometimes if there are acoustic problems at a crossover point you might move the crossover point 5 or 10hz to adjust it between the speakers or sub to solve a problem. You can find many of this out using the quick measure feature of ARC. Most rooms will find the best response and integration in the 80-100hz region and you still won't be able to localize the sub if integrated well.
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Ps. When using the quick measure feature to position speakers and sub the best spot might not be what appears the flattest but it is the spot that is the most equalizeable, avoid dips because they can't be equalized if from a room mode while peaks can be equalized.
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I used a room mode calculator to figure the Schroeder frequency but how would would you determine the actual Schroeder frequency of the room with measurements?


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F=2000(T60/V)^.5

T60 is the time it takes sound to decay 60db AKA real time 60 (rt60)
V is volume of the room

The Schroeder frequency changes depending on how live or dead the room is that is why calculators aren't as accurate but for setting EQ they will work fine.
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Another question is where is the cut off for correction should be.
I've seen suggestions for both 500 and 5000 Hz.

Currently, I started with 5000 Hz but need to compare .
Keep in mind, when you run ARC you can select up to four different targets. You can even do this now based on your current result. Just load the ARC windows app, load the calibration file you just saved -- and then click TARGET at the top. Set profile #2 to say "500hz" and name it 500hz if you want. Then profile 3 to 1000hz if you want for instance. You can set profile 4 to maybe just two channels with subs, with correction only up to 200hz and name it 2ch. Just some ideas.

Keep in mind, when you do this, you have to go in and manually enter the distance settings for each profile once you upload it to your receiver. For some reason it doesn't auto populate it. They need to fix that.
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Keep in mind, when you run ARC you can select up to four different targets. You can even do this now based on your current result. Just load the ARC windows app, load the calibration file you just saved -- and then click TARGET at the top. Set profile #2 to say "500hz" and name it 500hz if you want. Then profile 3 to 1000hz if you want for instance. You can set profile 4 to maybe just two channels with subs, with correction only up to 200hz and name it 2ch. Just some ideas.

Keep in mind, when you do this, you have to go in and manually enter the distance settings for each profile once you upload it to your receiver. For some reason it doesn't auto populate it. They need to fix that.
Thanks for telling us about the distance settings.

So using jazz music, I find a 500 Hz cut off setting to be much preferable to the 5 kHz.

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Another thing you can do is create custom inputs for the same source. You can make for instance make input 4 HDMI1, profile 1, ARC off -- and input 5 HDMI1, profile 1, ARC on. Name input 1 "BDP ARC on" and input 2 "BDP ARC off" for instance and switch between them mid movie by pressing left or right on the controller (quick select shortcut for inputs). If for instance you use your BD player for music discs too, or streaming. You can make input 3 "BDP 2ch" or something -- using HDMI1, Profile 4 (lets say that's your 2.1 with subs crossed over at like 30hz, and arc up to 200hz only or whatever you like for 2 channel).

The way anthem let's you assign virtual inputs is truly awesome.
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Another thing you can do is create custom inputs for the same source. You can make for instance make input 4 HDMI1, profile 1, ARC off -- and input 5 HDMI1, profile 1, ARC on. Name input 1 "BDP ARC on" and input 2 "BDP ARC off" for instance and switch between them mid movie by pressing left or right on the controller (quick select shortcut for inputs). If for instance you use your BD player for music discs too, or streaming. You can make input 3 "BDP 2ch" or something -- using HDMI1, Profile 4 (lets say that's your 2.1 with subs crossed over at like 30hz, and arc up to 200hz only or whatever you like for 2 channel).

The way anthem let's you assign virtual inputs is truly awesome.
Yes this was how I compared the two.
The virtual inputs are fantastic

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For DTS-X , we are supposed to be able to adjust the dialogue channel separately. I do not see how to do this on the anthem.

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This will be devoted to Anthem AVM 60 ARC Advanced settings and tuning.
Other anthem receivers with current ARC should also be included .

I will start by saying that I'm very happy with the sound quality from this top quality pre-pro.

I've done my first ARC calibrations, and they definitely help with imaging, sound quality, and intelligibility.

It's great to see the corrections to individual speakers, especially those near walls and corners like my surround.

Also think that we should discuss the speaker placement for 3-D sound formats etc.

E
Just a little tip we've used several times.....if room/speakers are a bit bright, tilt mike slightly forward, or conversely, if dull, tilt mike slightly backwards. If you're OCD, try this or variations thereof.
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For DTS-X , we are supposed to be able to adjust the dialogue channel separately. I do not see how to do this on the anthem.
Am told that page up page down buttons will do this for soundtracks that are appropriately coded and DTS-X .

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Just a little tip we've used several times.....if room/speakers are a bit bright, tilt mike slightly forward, or conversely, if dull, tilt mike slightly backwards. If you're OCD, try this or variations thereof.

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I have a couple of what are probably pretty basic questions for those in the know.

1) When I set my fronts to full range, the 1st order, etc drop down box appears. What is it for? Do I want to change it? I see that it changes the target curve if I do change it. Ok, so?

2) Is your response to the 1st question applicable to the subwoofer?

3) What do I do with Subwoofer High Pass and Min. EQ Frequency? Default seems to be 15 for both. What happens if I change it?

If there is an idiots guide to audio, that you can recommend, I'm more than willing to read and learn. Every time someone in these forums mention schroeder and I try to understand what it means, my head explodes.

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I have a small room and the Schroeder frequency is 130 Hz in my little theater room.
I'm using B& W speakers listed in my signature.

In the past, I have used 60 Hz crossovers to avoid localization of bass from the sub woofer, plus my speakers are high-quality.

Now, with the anthem, it suggests much higher crossover points and more direction to the subwoofer.

So, one question is where we should set the crossover points. I'm still using 60 Hz.
Those are nice speakers, but do list a +/-3 dB range down to 62 Hz so I would use a higher crossover personally, probably ~80 Hz for starters. Nothing wrong with lower but you might try both and see what you prefer. Higher takes quite a load off the mains so they may sound cleaner.

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Those are nice speakers, but do list a +/-3 dB range down to 62 Hz so I would use a higher crossover personally, probably ~80 Hz for starters. Nothing wrong with lower but you might try both and see what you prefer. Higher takes quite a load off the mains so they may sound cleaner.

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Don,

I'm in a small room, and listen at relatively low volumes with efficient speakers.
In my room, I find that 60 Hz is best for my main speakers.
I'm still exploring different crossover points for the other speakers.

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Currently I am running 60 Hz crossovers to my main speakers, and Center channel.
80-100 Hz to the surrounds (including rear height CM1),
and 110-120 Hz to my new small front height speakers Silverline minuet.
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Speaker configuration

I have a question about speaker configuration.

I'm currently running what is effectively 5.1.4.

Previously I had 7 channels And sub, but with the rear speakers mounted on the rear wall above me which made a nice 7.1 system.

Now I have added the anthem, and I have named the rear speakers to the rear height on wall location. I've also added new front height speakers on the front wall.
When running DTS-X, and for channel identification from the anthem everything works well.
In fact, I found a nice DTS-X test track with someone talking from each channel which sounds very uniform and excellent.
However, I do not have a designated "back" speaker currently. (As the rear speakers are now designated as height 2).

So when I play Blu-ray 7.1 format, now the rear channel does not go to my rear height speaker, but instead is directed to my side surrounds.
I'm not sure what atmos is doing, and would like to check.
Does anyone have a nice link for spoken Atmos speaker positions, i.e. channel identifications?
Is there a better way that I should specify the system to improve 7.1 or Atmos playback?

An obvious alternative would be to designate my rear speakers as back, although they are well above my seating position.

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Another tip from the MAN, check Nick's post on the Anthem New Receiver thread, May 30. Heed his advice, as a dealer, I have tried many times to better the ARC solution only to meet with abject failure. Good Luck!
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Another tip from the MAN, check Nick's post on the Anthem New Receiver thread, May 30. Heed his advice, as a dealer, I have tried many times to better the ARC solution only to meet with abject failure. Good Luck!

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I have a question about speaker configuration.

I'm currently running what is effectively 5.1.4.

Previously I had 7 channels And sub, but with the rear speakers mounted on the rear wall above me which made a nice 7.1 system.

Now I have added the anthem, and I have named the rear speakers to the rear height on wall location. I've also added new front height speakers on the front wall.
When running DTS-X, and for channel identification from the anthem everything works well.
In fact, I found a nice DTS-X test track with someone talking from each channel which sounds very uniform and excellent.
However, I do not have a designated "back" speaker currently. (As the rear speakers are now designated as height 2).

So when I play Blu-ray 7.1 format, now the rear channel does not go to my rear height speaker, but instead is directed to my side surrounds.
I'm not sure what atmos is doing, and would like to check.
Does anyone have a nice link for spoken Atmos speaker positions, i.e. channel identifications?
Is there a better way that I should specify the system to improve 7.1 or Atmos playback?

An obvious alternative would be to designate my rear speakers as back, although they are well above my seating position.

Thanks
OK, to follow-up, I did eventually change to 7.1.2 with Front height speakers which is superior in most situations .

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OK, finally made it to the best scenario, 7.1.4 with two additional rear B&W CM1 S2 speakers

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OK, finally made it to the best scenario, 7.1.4 with two additional rear B&W CM1 S2 speakers

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If somehow you can get that one sub to two, you will dramatically improve your overall sound.

Nothing smooths out a room more than a second sub. Make sure it's the same kind you have.

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For DTS-X , we are supposed to be able to adjust the dialogue channel separately. I do not see how to do this on the anthem.
I know I'm late to the party on this, but this feature with DTS:X is a bit tricky. The specific dialogue enhancement feature DTS:X is touting isn't channel based as DTS:X (like Atmos) is an object-based audio format.

The dirty little secret is that just because a disc or source is DTS:X doesn't mean it has the dialogue lift feature. This has to be done as part of the mastering process and part of the metadata, which means that not all DTS:X discs will have it. There's a bit more information on it here: http://www.audioholics.com/editorial...ing-evaluation

That's a real disappointment because the promise of true dialogue enhancement—not just increasing the volume of the center channel—is such a needed feature.

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My Anthem Room Correction setup suggested to set my fronts at 60 Hz, and the center and rears at 80 Hz, and wow what a difference it sounds makes on the bass response.
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I know I'm late to the party on this, but this feature with DTS:X is a bit tricky. The specific dialogue enhancement feature DTS:X is touting isn't channel based as DTS:X (like Atmos) is an object-based audio format.

The dirty little secret is that just because a disc or source is DTS:X doesn't mean it has the dialogue lift feature. This has to be done as part of the mastering process and part of the metadata, which means that not all DTS:X discs will have it. There's a bit more information on it here: http://www.audioholics.com/editorial...ing-evaluation

That's a real disappointment because the promise of true dialogue enhancement—not just increasing the volume of the center channel—is such a needed feature.
You can use the page up page down buttons to do this for soundtracks that are appropriately coded and DTS-X .

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I have a question about speaker configuration.

I'm currently running what is effectively 5.1.4.

Previously I had 7 channels And sub, but with the rear speakers mounted on the rear wall above me which made a nice 7.1 system.

Now I have added the anthem, and I have named the rear speakers to the rear height on wall location. I've also added new front height speakers on the front wall.
When running DTS-X, and for channel identification from the anthem everything works well.
In fact, I found a nice DTS-X test track with someone talking from each channel which sounds very uniform and excellent.
However, I do not have a designated "back" speaker currently. (As the rear speakers are now designated as height 2).

So when I play Blu-ray 7.1 format, now the rear channel does not go to my rear height speaker, but instead is directed to my side surrounds.
I'm not sure what atmos is doing, and would like to check.
Does anyone have a nice link for spoken Atmos speaker positions, i.e. channel identifications?
Is there a better way that I should specify the system to improve 7.1 or Atmos playback?

An obvious alternative would be to designate my rear speakers as back, although they are well above my seating position.

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I have not purchased the AVM 60 yet, but probably will.

I am in this exact same situation. I have read that Dolby Atmos can "up convert" non-Atmos content, and I expected that to handle this situation. I take it, that it is not satisfying?

It would be really nice, if Anthem allowed multiple speaker assignment configurations, such that from the remote you could switch between 5.x.4 and a 7.x configurations.
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I have not purchased the AVM 60 yet, but probably will.

I am in this exact same situation. I have read that Dolby Atmos can "up convert" non-Atmos content, and I expected that to handle this situation. I take it, that it is not satisfying?

It would be really nice, if Anthem allowed multiple speaker assignment configurations, such that from the remote you could switch between 5.x.4 and a 7.x configurations.
Dolby Atmos isn't doing anything, the Dolby Surround Upmixer is what is upconverting content to take advantage of different speaker arrangements - it's not turning non-Atmos into Atmos. That said, I have found the upmixing, both Dolby and DTS to really be something, of course depending on the content, to give you a more Atmos like experience. There are also the Anthem Logic Music and Cinema algorithms that take Stereo tracks and mix them into whatever array of speakers you've got. Sometimes I prefer the Anthem to the Dolby (again, content dependent), but just another tool in your belt.

You can assign 4 different speaker configs, so you could have a 5.x.4 and 7.x config and you'd create 2 virtual Inputs for whatever the source might be - one for either config. So, you are toggling the inputs, rather than the speaker configs.

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