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This is a very common HDMI handshake issue that has been around ever since HDMI was first released over 10 years ago. Continue the work arounds you are already doing.
It's annoying as hell, but at least there's a workaround.

I have one other thing I'm going to try, but due to the intermittent nature of the problem, I won't know for a while (maybe even weeks) if it worked. I'm going to put a 2x1 HDMI splitter in the path that I bought from Amazon a loooong time ago which seems to strangely remove HDCP.
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Correct, and the window changes according to what menu choices you make. I tested it on mine, and got the info screen when I pressed the INFO button.
The window on my 7012 stays on "TV Audio." Last night I tried Info, Options and Setup; the window didnt change.

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Sure.

The general rules are that in order to have it enabled, you have to run a few calibration passes with the supplied mike in different positions. Once it's done, it's enabled. If you then change speaker configurations in Setup for any reason, it disables itself until you run the calibration passes again.

If it's not enabled, you can change speaker configurations without affecting it.
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Where do I change that? If I start setup it want's to redo Audyssey.

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The window on my 7012 stays on "TV Audio." Last night I tried Info, Options and Setup; the window didnt change.
I just tried it again, and only the option menu worked. My Vizio TV has a lip sync setting. Does your TV?

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I just tried it again, and only the option menu worked. My Vizio TV has a lip sync setting. Does your TV?
Nope. I wish it did...thanks for your help, man.

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Where do I change that? If I start setup it want's to redo Audyssey.

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I was unclear. If you run its calibration, Audyssey is enabled. It doesn't have (as far as I remember) a specific on-off toggle.

If you then go into setup and change the speaker configuration, it blows out the Audyssey settings and turns it off.

To turn it on again after that, you have to run another calibration.
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You can save the Audyssey settings to a thumb drive and reload at your convenience.

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You can save the Audyssey settings to a thumb drive and reload at your convenience.
I think that's true as long as you don't change speaker configurations.

Once you change those, the settings may be 'reloadable' but I don't see how they could be valid for the new setup.
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Anyone had any joy plugging in a USB portable drive into the front USB port and using to play music on the Marantz 6012 ?

Mine seems formatted correctly in FAT32 but the Marantz just shows the message “no content to display”

Wanted this to work as I’m shipping out my Oppo.

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Anyone had any joy plugging in a USB portable drive into the front USB port and using to play music on the Marantz 6012 ?

Mine seems formatted correctly in FAT32 but the Marantz just shows the message “no content to display”

Wanted this to work as I’m shipping out my Oppo.

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Get an external quality media player? I use KODI (on an NVidia Shield) and AppleTV 4K. Both can access my media on my server upstairs. My NVidia Shield has my entire lossless music library stored on its hard drive so it doesn't even need the server to be on and my old FireTV 4K has a SDCard in it with my music library (AAC version) stored locally if the server isn't on. I couldn't care less about my 7012's media capabilities. I don't use them as they are inferior to a real device. I did test that Airplay/Airplay2 work, though (I could use those through the connected AppleTV 4K, though so again it's not needed here). But even a $35 FireTV Stick can run KODI over the network. I think the Shield can play off USB as well and I know my Zidoo X9S can (as my 3D movie collection is connected via external drives through USB).

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I was unclear. If you run its calibration, Audyssey is enabled. It doesn't have (as far as I remember) a specific on-off toggle.

If you then go into setup and change the speaker configuration, it blows out the Audyssey settings and turns it off.

To turn it on again after that, you have to run another calibration.
Thanks, All I want to do is add 2 RS surround (7.1) speakers to my existing 5.1 *without* having to redo a full calibration. I know I can save my config but it will save it as 5.1.

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Thanks, All I want to do is add 2 RS surround (7.1) speakers to my existing 5.1 *without* having to redo a full calibration. I know I can save my config but it will save it as 5.1.

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If you want to have Audyssey calibration after adding speakers and changing the speaker config, you have to run a calibration pass. There is no way around that.
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If you want to have Audyssey calibration after adding speakers and changing the speaker config, you have to run a calibration pass. There is no way around that.

So, if I change my speaker config, I will lose the cal. that I have, right?
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So, if I change my speaker config, I will lose the cal. that I have, right?
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So, if I change my speaker config, I will lose the cal. that I have, right?
It will be disabled unless you return the speaker configuration back to 5.1.
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It will be disabled unless you return the speaker configuration back to 5.1.
Disabled but retrievable? Sorry, still confused. jd, where do I change the speaker config to 7.1?

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Get an external quality media player? I use KODI (on an NVidia Shield) and AppleTV 4K. Both can access my media on my server upstairs. My NVidia Shield has my entire lossless music library stored on its hard drive so it doesn't even need the server to be on and my old FireTV 4K has a SDCard in it with my music library (AAC version) stored locally if the server isn't on. I couldn't care less about my 7012's media capabilities. I don't use them as they are inferior to a real device. I did test that Airplay/Airplay2 work, though (I could use those through the connected AppleTV 4K, though so again it's not needed here). But even a $35 FireTV Stick can run KODI over the network. I think the Shield can play off USB as well and I know my Zidoo X9S can (as my 3D movie collection is connected via external drives through USB).


Apple TV outputs audio at 48kHz

I use the external drive to access my Hi Res music at full 24/96 or higher. I currently access my movies and lossless music through the ATV


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Disabled but retrievable? Sorry, still confused. jd, where do I change the speaker config to 7.1?

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1. Correct. If the Audyssey EQ that is saved on the AVR was originally run with a 5.1 configuration, then when you add 2 additional speakers in MANUAL SETUP, Audyssey is disabled until you either (a) run Audyssey again to include the new speakers (which will write over the existing 5.1 configuration if using the on board version of Audyssey) or (b) return the MANUAL SETUP speaker setting back to 5.1 in which case if Audyssey has not been run again, the original 5.1 configuration EQ will be retrieved.
2. On 9CH models (eg. SR6012/SR7012) there is no dedicated AMP ASSIGN setting for 7.1. For your current 5.1 configuration, you are likely using the factory default AMP ASSIGN = 7.1 + Zone 2, which you can continue to use for your 7.1 configuration as well. To add the 2 Surround Back speakers, you would select MANUAL SETUP - SPEAKER CONFIGURATION - SURR BACK - 2 spkrs.

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Apple TV outputs audio at 48kHz

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So what? There is exactly ZERO audible difference. You can't hear above 20kHZ (and there is almost zero correlated content regardless; it's mostly noise) and I'd like to see a recording that has much more than 16-bit dynamic range or a person that listens loud enough to hear it regardless. 24/96 is only useful on the recording end. Oversampling solved the filtering issues in the mid 1980s.

Everything else is literally and unequivocally audiophile science fiction, proven time and time again with double blind listening tests, the scientific equivalent of believing in a flat earth despite all the evidence to the contrary. I gave up those beliefs many years ago and I'm much happier listening to music now that I'm not tweaking the position of the foot stool and drink coasters in the room and desperately trying to tell if I like the sonic change or not.
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I use the external drive to access my Hi Res music at full 24/96 or higher. I currently access my movies and lossless music through the ATV


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As a reminder, if you are using Audyssey, by default (ie. cannot be changed), high res audio (eg. 24/96k and 24/192k) is down sampled to 24/48k prior to using Audyssey.
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Ok, here's another anomoly...

Panasonic plasma connected to SR7012. When I select Apps, Amazon Prime Video on the Panasonic, I select TV Audio on the 7012 getting audio back to the receiver from the TV via optical. There is a slight audio sync issue. I cant get to Settings on the 7012 to adjust audio. Since audio sync is by Input, where do I go to adjust this (which Input)?

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JD, do you have anymore input on this?

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As a reminder, if you are using Audyssey, by default (ie. cannot be changed), high res audio (eg. 24/96k and 24/192k) is down sampled to 24/48k prior to using Audyssey.


Thanks for the response. I’m not using Aud. Just wanted to know if anyone had encountered similar issues using a USB drive plugged into the Marantz.

Didn’t want a debate on the merits or not of Hi Res music, lossless v lossy etc, just a little help with a USB drive.

I personally don’t hear much difference if any with the Hi Res files but you know that itch when you can’t get something to work that should work, that’s all.


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I have a SR7012 which replaced my previous SR7008 and I cannot get HD audio to work. I thought this might be a software issue, but now I'm wondering if I have a hardware problem.

I use PowerDVD to watch BluRay movies, and I have to let it convert to PCM on my HTPC, if I tell it to output HD audio directly, I get no sound. This worked fine on the SR7008, but I updated PowerDVD around the same time I replaced the receiver, so I thought it was a software / configuration issue.

I've double checked and the HTPC does see the SR7012 as being Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA capable.

I've been using PLEX for a while, and recently got enough storage to rip BluRay movies so tried using it to stream HD audio from the HTPC, but found the same problem.

I set up a second HTPC (Intel NUC NUC6i7KYK) as a PLEX Media Player and I get no audio from it at all, so I'm beginning to think my SR7012 has a problem.

It is in Auto sound mode and when I stream e.g. DTS-HD MA, it sees the audio input as, variably, either PCM ZERO or Unknown, and I get no sound.

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I have a SR7012 which replaced my previous SR7008 and I cannot get HD audio to work. I thought this might be a software issue, but now I'm wondering if I have a hardware problem.

I use PowerDVD to watch BluRay movies, and I have to let it convert to PCM on my HTPC, if I tell it to output HD audio directly, I get no sound. This worked fine on the SR7008, but I updated PowerDVD around the same time I replaced the receiver, so I thought it was a software / configuration issue.

I've double checked and the HTPC does see the SR7012 as being Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA capable.

I've been using PLEX for a while, and recently got enough storage to rip BluRay movies so tried using it to stream HD audio from the HTPC, but found the same problem.

I set up a second HTPC (Intel NUC NUC6i7KYK) as a PLEX Media Player and I get no audio from it at all, so I'm beginning to think my SR7012 has a problem.

It is in Auto sound mode and when I stream e.g. DTS-HD MA, it sees the audio input as, variably, either PCM ZERO or Unknown, and I get no sound.

Anybody have any ideas, or suggestions on how to diagnose the issue, or is it time to call the warranty folks?

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Sounds more like a source setting issue.
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Other than doing a "soft reset" or "hard reset", no.
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Sounds more like a source setting issue.
Could you elaborate? The Marantz is set to the correct input, audio mode set to automatic. If I switch audio stream to e.g. Dolby Digital, I get sound, no problem. If I let the PC downmix to PCM, I get sound, no problem. If I set DTS-HD MA stream, nothing, and either unrecognized or PCM ZERO indicated.

PC is connected to HDMI BluRay input, PLEX box to HDMI Aux 2.

Same PC streamed DTS-HD MA just fine to the SR7008's HDMI BluRay input just fine using the same HDMI cable.

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Could you elaborate? The Marantz is set to the correct input, audio mode set to automatic. If I switch audio stream to e.g. Dolby Digital, I get sound, no problem. If I let the PC downmix to PCM, I get sound, no problem. If I set DTS-HD MA stream, nothing, and either unrecognized or PCM ZERO indicated.

PC is connected to HDMI BluRay input, PLEX box to HDMI Aux 2.

Same PC streamed DTS-HD MA just fine to the SR7008's HDMI BluRay input just fine using the same HDMI cable.

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Not with a source setting issue, no, as I am not familiar with your source.

On the Marantz, instead of using DIRECT - AUTO, try selecting the MOVIE - DTS surround mode.
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In reply to the post questioning my statements on digital audio, well performed double blind tests prove what can be heard and what cannot. Typically the claim about a given audio issue is that someone can hear something that someone else cannot. A DBX box with a double blind test can determine whether or not this claim is true. The problem is that most people making those claims don't want to take these tests to prove their assertions are true. That creates a simple opinion versus opinion situation that cannot be resolved definitively. I've seen reasons given (e.g. the DBX switch somehow magically obliterates just those differences they claimed to hear in the signal, etc. or that there's not enough time to decide, the latter of which isn't an issue. Take all the time you want.)

Digital sampling theory is well understood (frequency is controlled by the sampling rate and dynamic range by the number of bits used) and only people that believe they can hear things others cannot buy into more bits and higher sampling rates are needed. A human cannot hear beyond 20kHz. A human would not want to hear much more than 96dB dynamic range (very bad for your hearing) and most recordings don't even come close, even many of the ones praised by high-end music rags as being the best recordings ever made. More dynamic range means quieter on the bottom end, which means you have to crank the volume to hear it and that means the louder sounds are VERY loud indeed. It's why they squash the crap out of most recordings to play on the radio (and then later with CDs too) as people get angry when they cannot hear anything in the car and other loud locations (wearing cheap earbuds in crowds/outside for example). Less dynamic range means less differences in volumes which makes it easier to hear in poor environments. Hence why so many CDs are so loud and the records sometimes sound better (you can only squash it so much before a needle will jump out of the groove, limiting how much damage these people can do to records a little bit). Those are the real reasons we have poor CD recordings.

SACD gives the impression of being better sounding because they often go back and remaster to higher quality level. They then pretend it's the higher bit rates, etc. that made the difference. It's pure BS. Take the SACD "hires" recording and sample it at CD rates and even burn a new CD with it. It will sound IDENTICAL. You can do the same thing with vinyl records. Take the best record you have and sample it and play back the digital version. You will not be able to tell the difference other than any new dust/clicks/pops that the record keeps acquiring. This has been shown with double blind tests to be true. Don't believe it? It's easy to reproduce at home with a DBX box. Sony pulls another fast one and outputs the SACD signal on double-sided discs LOUDER than the signal from the CD side and this is Psychology 101. If it sounds slightly louder, humans tend to associate it with "more detail" rather than volume level as you can hear more detail coming out of the noise floor. It proves nothing, but it's a good way to fool people. It's the same reason during the Pepsi vs. Coke challenge that Pepsi used to do at malls they'd give you Pepsi FIRST every single time. Why? A less sweet drink tastes even less sweet or "odd" after drinking something more sweet. Since Coke has less sugar in it than Pepsi, this made Coke taste bad/off to most people and thus most people would pick the first drink and they'd reveal it to be Pepsi! They would then think, gee, I should give Pepsi another try! It's dishonest and it's deceptive.

I find most people who would rather believe 24/96 sounds better think that "stair step drawings" show the problem with digital audio and that more steps means getting closer to that nice analog curve. But that's 100% fallacy. THAT is the LIE that poor magazines have put out for some time to make you think that's how digital works. It does NOT work that way at all. There are no "stair steps" in digital audio. Sampling when put through the reconstruction filter outputs a perfectly reproduced and smooth sine wave. There are no "steps" to it. All audio is comprised of well understood wave theory. A transfer function at any moment in time can perfectly describe any electrical signal. People need to read less Stereophile fairy tales and read some actual scientific papers on digital audio.

So why do they try to sell a format like SACD? Money. It's the same problem the movie industry is having now. How do we keep selling the same movies to people over and over again? VHS tapes would wear out. DVDs would scratch (bad). Blu-Rays hold up much better against scratches and are pretty high resolution. So, let's go to 4K! Can't see a big difference on TV screens under 100 inches? Well, let's invent HDR (trick method to make contrast situations most cameras cannot capture without multiple exposures at once). You can see that even if you sit 20 feet away! Let's put Atmos only on 4K discs so they think it's part of the 4K format (when it's not). What are they going to do next? Even people that know little about the formats know that 8K is total overkill unless you have a giant screen or sit inches away from one. This is a real problem for the industry as their money grab for older material is going away. So the solution long term is STREAMING. Don't SELL movies. RENT them. Rent them en masse even (Netflix). They need a steady stream of income that never ends. The music industry has already figured this out and hence Apple Music, Spotify, etc. You're paying a rental charge that never goes away. Stop paying that fee and you have NO music library whatsoever. They got you. Perpetual lifetime payments for something that most people only like a limited number of music titles. But they'll tell you it's selection and convenience and a tiny fee compared to buying all those titles. Yes, like cable. That got up to $123 a month for me and most months I didn't want much TV at all (filled with commercials to boot). It's a really GREAT value alright...if that's all you do is sit there and watch TV all month.
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