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Ah that's so disappointing. Even a B-Stock X8500H would likely be out of my price range. Are the upcoming SRx013 models also unable to do 5.x.6?

Edit: Doesn’t look like it.
Correct. Only the "flagship" AVR Denon X8500H and "flagship" Marantz AV8805 pre/pro.

No reason to drop this feature lower otherwise, no differentiation from the lower models.
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Hi Everyone


New to the forum and have just taken delivery of my SR 6012, I love it already


I set it up today, run the calibration via the AVR and i get quite nice sound from the unit, further tweaking to be done later.


What i find strange is that the SR6012 seems to be downgrading my HDMI signal (see attached picture) :
10bit ----> 8bit
YCbCr 4:4;4 ---> RGB


The projector i am using is a TW5350 from Epson which is capable of 10bit display.

Conversion is turned off on the AVR. I read the manual quite a few times but didn't see any settings that could solve my issue.


Any help would be appreciated.


Thank you
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What is the source? What video resolution is it set to? What is the result when you connect it directly to the Epson? How long is the HDMI cable from the AVR --> PJ? If > 15', you may need to add an HDMI extender.

Also note that <Video Conversion> on the AVR refers to converting an analog signal to HDMI.

Try doing a "soft reset" by powering off the AVR, PJ, and source and unplugging their respective power cables and HDMI cables for 10 minutes. Connect all back up and power on the PJ, pause 5 seconds, AVR, pause 5 seconds, source.
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The majority of the heat is not generated by the on board amps, rather by other components; however, if there is sufficient ventilation (ie. 3-4" clearance on top and sides with open front/back), there may be sufficient ventilation. The nice thing about the AC Infinity fan is you only need about 1" clearance above the AVR to exhaust the warm air to the rear or to the front, depending on the model purchased.


If it helps anyone; I just finished watching a movie (7 channels) and my laser thermometer measured the hottest point on the top at 114° - that’s hotter than I expected.

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If it helps anyone; I just finished watching a movie (7 channels) and my laser thermometer measured the hottest point on the top at 114° - that’s hotter than I expected.

I’m ordering the AC Infinity fan now.


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114 Fahrenheit for an electronic isn’t really hot. The components are rated for much hotter than that.


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Hi Everyone


New to the forum and have just taken delivery of my SR 6012, I love it already


I set it up today, run the calibration via the AVR and i get quite nice sound from the unit, further tweaking to be done later.


What i find strange is that the SR6012 seems to be downgrading my HDMI signal (see attached picture) :
10bit ----> 8bit
YCbCr 4:4;4 ---> RGB


The projector i am using is a TW5350 from Epson which is capable of 10bit display.

Conversion is turned off on the AVR. I read the manual quite a few times but didn't see any settings that could solve my issue.


Any help would be appreciated.


Thank you
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To expand slightly on what JD wrote, it used to be that you had to turn off "Deep Color" in a Blu-ray player so it would play nicely with D&M equipment. Turning it off limits the video output to 8 bits/color channel. "Deep Color" needs to be turned on in order to get 10 bits/color channel.

ETA: similarly RGB over HDMI usually must be 8 bits/color channel in order to keep the video bandwidth low enough to be carried by HDMI. Try setting the disc player's video output format to one of the YCbCr formats.

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If it helps anyone; I just finished watching a movie (7 channels) and my laser thermometer measured the hottest point on the top at 114° - that’s hotter than I expected.

I’m ordering the AC Infinity fan now.


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114 Fahrenheit for an electronic isn’t really hot. The components are rated for much hotter than that.


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Yes, the components are rated for much hotter than that. Except that the electrolytic capacitors, which are mostly rated at oniy 153°, will dry up sooner than their advertised "within-spec life" of 2000 hours or so.
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Yes, the components are rated for much hotter than that. Except that the electrolytic capacitors, which are mostly rated at oniy 153°, will dry up sooner than their advertised "within-spec life" of 2000 hours or so.


Yeah, and those fans are a great price so why not prolong the life of the receiver.


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If it helps anyone; I just finished watching a movie (7 channels) and my laser thermometer measured the hottest point on the top at 114° - that’s hotter than I expected.

I’m ordering the AC Infinity fan now.


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I have an AIRCOM T8 sitting on top of my 7012, keeps it around 85 degrees. Highly recommend.


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Hi Everyone





New to the forum and have just taken delivery of my SR 6012, I love it already





I set it up today, run the calibration via the AVR and i get quite nice sound from the unit, further tweaking to be done later.





What i find strange is that the SR6012 seems to be downgrading my HDMI signal (see attached picture) :

10bit ----> 8bit

YCbCr 4:4;4 ---> RGB





The projector i am using is a TW5350 from Epson which is capable of 10bit display.



Conversion is turned off on the AVR. I read the manual quite a few times but didn't see any settings that could solve my issue.





Any help would be appreciated.





Thank you

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Did you try turning the HDMI setting from standard to Enhanced? Found on page 183 in your manual.




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Did you try turning the HDMI setting from standard to Enhanced? Found on page 183 in your manual.




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Thank you for looking into this.


Yes, I saw this in the manual but disregarded it as it was referring to 4K.


My projector is not 4K capable,and I am sending a 1080P/60 signal into the receiver.


I will give it a try to see if it helps.


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If it helps anyone; I just finished watching a movie (7 channels) and my laser thermometer measured the hottest point on the top at 114° - that’s hotter than I expected.

I’m ordering the AC Infinity fan now.


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As noted, not that hot at all, and although adding the AC Infinity fan will certainly result in a much lower temp, you can also simply set ECO Mode - ON and that should drop the temp by about 10F.
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Cool SR5012 - No Video Output - SOLVED

I received by SR5012 back from Marantz warranty repair (Adams Electronics, Hungtingbeach, CA), installed and configured, and its up and working great. The HDMI Board needed to be replaced...

Kudos to Adams Electronics for their expertise and GREAT customer service.

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Cool Release Date for New SR AVRs

Do we have a release date for 2018/2019 SR AVRs?

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Do we have a release date for 2018/2019 SR AVRs?

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Release months are noted in post 1 of the Marantz 2018 AVR Owner's thread with all 2018 models released except the SR7013 and AV7705.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-7-a.html
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Thank you for looking into this.


Yes, I saw this in the manual but disregarded it as it was referring to 4K.


My projector is not 4K capable,and I am sending a 1080P/60 signal into the receiver.


I will give it a try to see if it helps.


Regards
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Well, this may sound stupid but this morning i started a movie (without touching anything on the settings) and it was correct 10bit was 10 bit and YCbCr 4:4;4 was YCbCr 4:4;4

I keep tweaking the system for now, thank you for your help again.


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Release months are noted in post 1 of the Marantz 2018 AVR Owner's thread with all 2018 models released except the SR7013 and AV7705.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...sts-1-7-a.html
Thank you JD.

When it says "avail July" I assume this means July 2017 (last month), right?

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I received by SR5012 back from Marantz warranty repair (Adams Electronics, Hungtingbeach, CA), installed and configured, and its up and working great. The HDMI Board needed to be replaced...

Kudos to Adams Electronics for their expertise and GREAT customer service.

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I got my SR 6012 setup., Audyssey done. The unit sounds great. Replaced a Pioneer SC 25. First thoughts are it sounds a little warmer, full bodied than the SC 25. I need to log some more hours of listening to be sure, but I am enjoying it. I also added more power for my two subs which may play a roll. Used to the -79.5 to +12 dB scale so I got that changed. Renamed my inputs. Still checking out all the new capabilities. I did add the AC Infinty S8 to keep it cool. Waiting for my 4K tv to deliver later this week.
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When it says "avail July" I assume this means July 2017 (last month), right?

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This is 2018 Scott.

But yes, the SR5013 and SR6013 are both available for purchase.
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^^^ Running alot cooler now with the AC Infinity Aircom fan system ?
Got it all set up yesterday. Yes, it keeps the unit cool to the touch. It has an auto setting that turns on the fans when the temp goes over 88F and turns off at 84F.

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This is 2018 Scott.

But yes, the SR5013 and SR6013 are both available for purchase.
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First time poster here. been a lurker to quite some time.. But i got a question, hoping to get some help on. Took advantage of the recent price cut and bought a SR6012. My first Marantz and while im overall impressed with the receiver sound wise there is a weird thing going on with it. any movie really but for discussion purposes its a 4K Oblivion playing DolbyAtmos from a Xbox one X. the receiver will go thru a series of loud annoying "clicks" after pushing the play button and watching the Xbox start up the movie. I get about 6 loud clicks from the menu to the start then its quiet. same thing happens playing a bluray movie from a Ps4Pro on a different input. all Current 18GB HDMI cables, LG Oled, all the good stuff. Hands down, is the receiver defective? thanks
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First time poster here. been a lurker to quite some time.. But i got a question, hoping to get some help on. Took advantage of the recent price cut and bought a SR6012. My first Marantz and while im overall impressed with the receiver sound wise there is a weird thing going on with it. any movie really but for discussion purposes its a 4K Oblivion playing DolbyAtmos from a Xbox one X. the receiver will go thru a series of loud annoying "clicks" after pushing the play button and watching the Xbox start up the movie. I get about 6 loud clicks from the menu to the start then its quiet. same thing happens playing a bluray movie from a Ps4Pro on a different input. all Current 18GB HDMI cables, LG Oled, all the good stuff. Hands down, is the receiver defective? thanks
Your receiver is working as designed.

Clicks coming from inside the receiver are the sounds of electromechanical relays opening and closing. They are responding to changes in the audio signal coming from the input player device. They're disabling unused Surround and Rear Surround speaker channels when the receiver is sent a stereo (2.0) soundtrack and them re-enabling them when the receiver is sent a 5.1 soundtrack, and then enabling the overhead speaker channels when the Atmos soundtrack starts. This is done to eliminate the possibility of any noise and audio cross-talk being sent to the unused speakers, ensuring that they're completely silent. Unfortunately, the resulting clicking can be more annoying than the possible background noise when the number of incoming audio channels keeps changing.

To completely eliminate the relay clicking, you have to ensure that all of the speaker channels are always in use. The easiest way to do this is to select a Sound Mode which turns on either Dolby Surround or DTS Neural:X upmixing. To do this, while listening to a non-Atmos soundtrack on the XB1, press the "Game" button and then select either the on-screen menu option which ends in "Surround" or the one which ends in "Neural".

For descriptions of the various sound modes which are available abd how to select them, see the SR6012's owner's manual, starting with page 129. A copy can be downloaded from http://manuals.marantz.com/sr6012/na/en/

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First time poster here. been a lurker to quite some time.. But i got a question, hoping to get some help on. Took advantage of the recent price cut and bought a SR6012. My first Marantz and while im overall impressed with the receiver sound wise there is a weird thing going on with it. any movie really but for discussion purposes its a 4K Oblivion playing DolbyAtmos from a Xbox one X. the receiver will go thru a series of loud annoying "clicks" after pushing the play button and watching the Xbox start up the movie. I get about 6 loud clicks from the menu to the start then its quiet. same thing happens playing a bluray movie from a Ps4Pro on a different input. all Current 18GB HDMI cables, LG Oled, all the good stuff. Hands down, is the receiver defective? thanks
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Your receiver is working as designed.

Clicks coming from inside the receiver are the sounds of electromechanical relays opening and closing. They are responding to changes in the audio signal coming from the input player device. They're disabling unused Surround and Rear Surround speaker channels when the receiver is sent a stereo (2.0) soundtrack and them re-enabling them when the receiver is sent a 5.1 soundtrack, and then enabling the overhead speaker channels when the Atmos soundtrack starts. This is done to eliminate the possibility of any noise and audio cross-talk being sent to the unused speakers, ensuring that they're completely silent. Unfortunately, the resulting clicking can be more annoying than the possible background noise when the number of incoming audio channels keeps changing.

To completely eliminate the relay clicking, you have to ensure that all of the speaker channels are always in use. The easiest way to do this is to select a Sound Mode which turns on either Dolby Surround or DTS Neural:X upmixing. To do this, while listening to a non-Atmos soundtrack on the XB1, press the "Game" button and then select either the on-screen menu option which ends in "Surround" or the one which ends in "Neural".

For descriptions of the various sound modes which are available abd how to select them, see the SR6012's owner's manual, starting with page 129. A copy can be downloaded from http://manuals.marantz.com/sr6012/na/en/
As long as those LOUD CLICKS do not come out of the SPEAKERS. If they do, then it is not working as designed - it must be broken.

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Has to be the receiver or the feed. Does it do this with all input devises? Did you try different cables?
Thank you, I've being gathering the statistics for some time, it looks like the only one connection is affected, it is my computer connected via digital out of its sound card. I've tried already the different card and even copper or optical inputs, but no help. Nothing changed on that side since my late Onkyo (and I never had this problem with it). My next step would be to try it with HDMI from the computer. It's currently connected via the separate cable.
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Your receiver is working as designed.

Clicks coming from inside the receiver are the sounds of electromechanical relays opening and closing. They are responding to changes in the audio signal coming from the input player device. They're disabling unused Surround and Rear Surround speaker channels when the receiver is sent a stereo (2.0) soundtrack and them re-enabling them when the receiver is sent a 5.1 soundtrack, and then enabling the overhead speaker channels when the Atmos soundtrack starts. This is done to eliminate the possibility of any noise and audio cross-talk being sent to the unused speakers, ensuring that they're completely silent. Unfortunately, the resulting clicking can be more annoying than the possible background noise when the number of incoming audio channels keeps changing.

To completely eliminate the relay clicking, you have to ensure that all of the speaker channels are always in use. The easiest way to do this is to select a Sound Mode which turns on either Dolby Surround or DTS Neural:X upmixing. To do this, while listening to a non-Atmos soundtrack on the XB1, press the "Game" button and then select either the on-screen menu option which ends in "Surround" or the one which ends in "Neural".
Seldon ball, thank you for the very detailed reply. I suspected it had to do with the passing signals that the Xbox was pushing to the receiver but i never thought it would be normal. if I do as you say to eliminate the relay clicking am i losing any Atmos functionality? or I'm just telling the Marantz that all speakers are on all the time? Will this affect any sound decoding concerning movies and games? Am i wording that right? I'm trying to say if i stream a movie in 5.1 the receiver will leave my ceiling speakers on and i'll get unwanted noise out of them? Are you saying ALL Marantz receivers do this? really appreciate your input.
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or I'm just telling the Marantz that all speakers are on all the time?
Effectively yes, but it's not that simple.

Selecting one of the upmixers changes the incoming audio from 2.0 (or 5.1 or 7.1) to 7.1.4 (or whatever speaker configuration you have), making use of the surround and overhead spakers.

Unfortunately, all of D&M's equipment designs use relays to turn off unused speaker channels. They don't just turn down the volume all the way, which would be less obtrusive. FWIW, just turning down the volume is an option when "Mute" is enabled. (The "Mute" operation is described on pages 84 & 166 of the SR6012's owner's manual.) It'd be nice if the equivalent of Mute were available as an option for the unused channels when audio formats change, but it isn't.

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Will this affect any sound decoding concerning movies and games?
That depends.

The receiver is supposed to remember three separate Sound Mode settings for each input and each soundtrack encoding on that input. (The three are associated with the Movie, Music and Game buttons. (The buttons' names are just for your convenience and don't actually imply anything about the audio.)

All of the "Sound Mode" settings available when you press one of the Music, Movie or Game buttons apply only to the input and signal type that you're listening to when you select a specific sound mode. For example, if you use the "Blu-ray" input and are watching a movie with a Dolby Digital soundtrack, when you press the "Movie" button and choose the Sound Mode "Stereo", all DD movies that you watch with the BR input will use only the Front Left and Front Right speakers (and the subwoofer if those speakers are configured as Small).

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Am i wording that right?
I think so, although the situation is more complex than you probably thought.
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I'm trying to say if i stream a movie in 5.1 the receiver will leave my ceiling speakers on and i'll get unwanted noise out of them?
No: the relays you hear clicking prevent that unwanted noise from being audible. For example, when you're playing a 5.1 soundtrack, the relays disable the Rear Surround and overhead speakers, ensuring that they're silent. (Unless you're playing a DTS soundtrack. The DTS decoder always changes a 5.1 soundtrack to 7.1, copying the Surround channels to the Rear Surround channels.)

Without those relays, if you were to stream a non-3D soundtrack and if the receiver left all of the speaker channels and associated amplifiers enabled, then you might hear a slight amount of noise and/or crosstalk from the unused speakers. Actually, in most cases that noise level would be so low that you wouldn't be able to hear it. In a few cases, especially in those systems which have highly efficient speakers (sensitivities higher than ~100dB/W/M), that slight amount of noise might be audible.

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Are you saying ALL Marantz receivers do this? really appreciate your input.
Yes. Also all Denon receivers. (Denon and Marantz equipment are designed by the same company and share most of their electronics.) One way to look at it that thery're optimized for continuously listening to the same type of soundtrack (stereo, multichannel or 3D). The relays' noise can be obtrusive if you watch a lot of TV or (in your case) use an XB1, where the audio format changes frequently.

There is another workaround to avoid the relay clicks, but it's quite inconvenient: you have to go into the Manual Setup speaker menu and disable the speakers you don't want to hear. This isn't particularly useful when the incoming soundtrack unpredictably changes from stereo to multichannel to Atmos.

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I've had my SR5012 a couple of weeks now and I am just not overwhelmed by it. Not sure if it's the lower level Audyssey or what. I've run Audyssey a few times with basically the same results.


The vocal range seems boxy, under-powered, and unclear. I've tried dynamic volume and several other changes mentioned in this thread, but just can't get the big open sound I had hoped for. I've got it sounding "good enough" but want more out of it overall. Just more dynamics are needed IMO.



Would the SR6012 but much of a step up? Any other recommendations?



Speakers are a 5.1 system:



NHT Superones 2.1 (L/R)

NHT SuperCenter (center)

NHT Superzero 2.1 (surrounds)
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What were you using for a receiver before the SR5012? I just setup a new SR 6012 and it sounds fantastic.

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I've had my SR5012 a couple of weeks now and I am just not overwhelmed by it. Not sure if it's the lower level Audyssey or what. I've run Audyssey a few times with basically the same results.


The vocal range seems boxy, under-powered, and unclear. I've tried dynamic volume and several other changes mentioned in this thread, but just can't get the big open sound I had hoped for. I've got it sounding "good enough" but want more out of it overall. Just more dynamics are needed IMO.



Would the SR6012 but much of a step up? Any other recommendations?



Speakers are a 5.1 system:



NHT Superones 2.1 (L/R)

NHT SuperCenter (center)

NHT Superzero 2.1 (surrounds)
How the Audyssey calibration has been performed can have a significant impact on the quality of what you hear. If you haven't already, please take the time to look through the Audyssey 101/FAQ. It'll help you to get a good calibration. The instructions in the equipment's owner's manual are pathetically inadequate.

Have you compared the different Audyssey settings? Some people prefer "Flat" over "Reference," for example. Flat doesn't have the high frequency rolloff that Reference has. Also, make sure your speakers are configured as "Small" and try turning up the Subwoofer channel trim setting by 3-5dB.

However, many people have reported that using one of the models with the best version of Audyssey (XT32) significantly improves center channel clarity compared to XT. Those would include the Marantz SR6012, Denon AVR-X3400H and higher models. If cost is a limiting factor, Denon receivers tend to be less expensive than their Marantz counterparts, although they don't have multichannel analog inputs or HDAM preamp designs.

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