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I've had my SR5012 a couple of weeks now and I am just not overwhelmed by it. Not sure if it's the lower level Audyssey or what. I've run Audyssey a few times with basically the same results.


The vocal range seems boxy, under-powered, and unclear. I've tried dynamic volume and several other changes mentioned in this thread, but just can't get the big open sound I had hoped for. I've got it sounding "good enough" but want more out of it overall. Just more dynamics are needed IMO.



Would the SR6012 but much of a step up? Any other recommendations?



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How the Audyssey calibration has been performed can have a significant impact on the quality of what you hear. If you haven't already, please take the time to look through the Audyssey 101/FAQ. It'll help you to get a good calibration. The instructions in the equipment's owner's manual are pathetically inadequate.

Have you compared the different Audyssey settings? Some people prefer "Flat" over "Reference," for example. Flat doesn't have the high frequency rolloff that Reference has. Also, make sure your speakers are configured as "Small" and try turning up the Subwoofer channel trim setting by 3-5dB.

However, many people have reported that using one of the models with the best version of Audyssey (XT32) significantly improves center channel clarity compared to XT. Those would include the Marantz SR6012, Denon AVR-X3400H and higher models. If cost is a limiting factor, Denon receivers tend to be less expensive than their Marantz counterparts, although they don't have multichannel analog inputs or HDAM preamp designs.
The mileage that one gets out of Audessy also depends on the specific microphone specimen used. Not all the microphones are the same, some are more linear than others. Some produce boxy sounds some don't. I have collected a few of them and I have just one favourite that always gives WOW! result across the whole audio freq spectrum.
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HEOS music server random broken after Win 10 update?

My NR1508 suddenly can't play songs randomly from my music server. It can play individual songs and you can manually create a playlist, but if you put it on random it plays only a single song and then shows an error. The only thing that has changed in my setup is that some Windows updates downloaded. Weird problem; anyone else seeing this?

EDIT: It was update 1803 that removed Homegroups that seems to have done the damage...

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Hi All,

I was wondering what settings do most of you use for listening to 2 ch music on the AVR? Although I know some may use a stereo amp, but if you had only the AVR amp, what settings do you have currently?

For me I somehow find Direct/Pure Direct dull and lifeless. I've tried playing around with speaker placements but still sounds dull. Could possibly be my speakers or room...

Using Stereo set to Large speakers, I find they sound more crisp but not yet to the extend of being harsh/sibilant...

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Hi All,

I was wondering what settings do most of you use for listening to audio on the AVR? Although I know some may use a stereo amp, but if you had only the AVR amp, what settings do you have currently?

For me I somehow find Direct/Pure Direct dull and lifeless. I've tried playing around with speaker placements but still sounds dull. Could possibly be my speakers or room...

Using Stereo set to Large speakers, I find they sound more crisp but not yet to the extend of being harsh/sibilant...
The vast majority of owners likely prefer using Audyssey which is disabled when either DIRECT or PURE DIRECT is selected and therefore why they are rarely used.
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The vast majority of owners likely prefer using Audyssey which is disabled when either DIRECT or PURE DIRECT is selected and therefore why they are rarely used.
Sorry, I was referring to music and not movies. For movies I suppose most will be using Audyssey...
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Sorry, I was referring to music and not movies. For movies I suppose most will be using Audyssey...
I was referring to "any" audio.
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Refer to p. 40 in your Owner's manual for a listing of the various "AMP ASSIGN" settings (using the setting that most describes where your speakers are located, ie. ideally when only 2 speakers are used, they should be above you so you would select TOP MIDDLE) for the SURROUND BACK speaker posts. Doesn't matter that it says 7.1.

So I understand how Dolby Atmos works. I have a few questions and excuse me if it seems scrambled. I am a novice. Does the TV send a different signal to the TOP Middle because the movie is in Dolby Atmos or does the receiver upscale the signal.


In reference to AMP ASSIGNMENT - The SURROUND BACK speaker posts are used for any additional speakers on top of a 5.1 set up. It is the amp assignment that determines whether it is 7.1 or 5.1.2. If this is true then what assignment do I choose to insure I am getting the Dolby Atmos effect and not a 7.1. Do I choose TOP MIDDLE or DOLBY ATMOS ENABLED speakers even though they are not since they are in the ceiling?


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So I understand how Dolby Atmos works. I have a few questions and excuse me if it seems scrambled. I am a novice. Does the TV send a different signal to the TOP Middle because the movie is in Dolby Atmos or does the receiver upscale the signal.


In reference to AMP ASSIGNMENT - The SURROUND BACK speaker posts are used for any additional speakers on top of a 5.1 set up. It is the amp assignment that determines whether it is 7.1 or 5.1.2. If this is true then what assignment do I choose to insure I am getting the Dolby Atmos effect and not a 7.1. Do I choose TOP MIDDLE or DOLBY ATMOS ENABLED speakers even though they are not since they are in the ceiling?


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I have a similar situation in that I have a 7.0 (no sub) system and my viewing point is in the center of the 2 front and 2 rear surround speakers (all 4 equal distant). Due to the entrance to my HT, the surround speakers are actually mounted close to the ceiling in the center of the left and right walls. Given the amount of 7.1 material out there, and the amount of Dolby Atmos material, would I be better off using a 5.0.1 setup using top middle setting in my amp and adjusting the physical connection? If I play a 7.1 movie on my system configured to 5.0.1, how will the speakers be used?

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So this morning I reran Audyssey MultEQ XT32 on my SR 6012, 5.2.2 right now. Hoping to add 2 more Atmos rears soon. I turned off every possible noise interference, clocks, refrigerator, central A/C, etc. I was extremely careful with the microphone placement using a tripod in all 8 locations. Boy what a difference it made. I thought it was good when I ran it the first time (I was no where near as careful). Now it isn't just good it came out great. I did boost the Subs by several dBs though. Played numerous test audio discs that I have and some YouTube 4K Dolby Vision/Atmos videos. Yeowser! I think I woke the neighbors up as I did it really early this morning as the house was totally quiet. I couldn't be happier with the SR 6012. I do run the main 5 channels through a Rotel 200 watts/channel amp. Dual 18" DIY subs with separate power amp for each pushing 1500+ to each.
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So I understand how Dolby Atmos works. I have a few questions and excuse me if it seems scrambled. I am a novice. Does the TV send a different signal to the TOP Middle because the movie is in Dolby Atmos or does the receiver upscale the signal.


In reference to AMP ASSIGNMENT - The SURROUND BACK speaker posts are used for any additional speakers on top of a 5.1 set up. It is the amp assignment that determines whether it is 7.1 or 5.1.2. If this is true then what assignment do I choose to insure I am getting the Dolby Atmos effect and not a 7.1. Do I choose TOP MIDDLE or DOLBY ATMOS ENABLED speakers even though they are not since they are in the ceiling?


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As I noted previously, you would select TOP MIDDLE.

TOP MIDDLE - generally mounted on or in the ceiling above the main listening position

DOLBY ATMOS ENABLED - upward firing modules that are generally placed on top of existing floor speakers and bounce the audio off of the ceiling
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I have a similar situation in that I have a 7.0 (no sub) system and my viewing point is in the center of the 2 front and 2 rear surround speakers (all 4 equal distant). Due to the entrance to my HT, the surround speakers are actually mounted close to the ceiling in the center of the left and right walls. Given the amount of 7.1 material out there, and the amount of Dolby Atmos material, would I be better off using a 5.0.1 setup using top middle setting in my amp and adjusting the physical connection? If I play a 7.1 movie on my system configured to 5.0.1, how will the speakers be used?
That would be 5.0.2.

What configuration you select is based on your personal preference. Only you can decide which configuration sounds better to you as we're not in your room.
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I have a similar situation in that I have a 7.0 (no sub) system and my viewing point is in the center of the 2 front and 2 rear surround speakers (all 4 equal distant). Due to the entrance to my HT, the surround speakers are actually mounted close to the ceiling in the center of the left and right walls. Given the amount of 7.1 material out there, and the amount of Dolby Atmos material, would I be better off using a 5.0.1 setup using top middle setting in my amp and adjusting the physical connection?
You'll need to try it to find out how well it works in your room. Top Middle works best if the speakers are actually in the ceiling, in-line with the front speakers, but many people have had to use a similar compromise.

Both Dolby Surround and DTS Neural:X upmixers do a very good job of converting 2.0, 5.1 and 7.1 soundtracks to use overhead speakers, so they wouldn't be used only for Atmos or DTS:X soundtracks.

The process would be to reconnect the Surround speakers to the receiver's Height1 outputs, reconnect your current Rear Surround speakers to the Surround outputs, designate the Height1 speakers as Top Middle, and then run the Setup Assistant to test and calibrate the new speaker configuration. (Rear Surround connections can only be used if you also have Surround speakers connected.)

The revised speaker configuration would be what's called 5.0.2. (.1 would indicate a single overhead speaker, but that's not a valid configuration.)

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The Rear Surround channels of a 7.1 soundtrack would be merged with the Surround channels. You'd hear both sets of sounds coming from the speakers behind you.

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*Official* Marantz 2017 NR1508/1608, SR5012/6012/7012 owner's thread

Got my first at-home experience with Atmos!

Two weeks ago I picked up a SR6012 and currently have a 5.1.2 setup. My rears are in-walls about 4’ behind and 2’ above above sitting position, with the height speakers in 12’ ceilings about 1’ behind the seating position, angled forward.

I downloaded the public beta 5 of TVOS 12 for the AppleTV 4K and was surprised that quite a few movies I own are already in Atmos on iTunes. You need to search from the AppleTV after installing the beta OS to see if a movie is Atmos, using your phone or computer won’t display it.

All I can say is wow! I wasn’t sure exactly what to expect going from Neural:X to Atmos, but it’s an immersive difference with a lot of clarity.

Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them is amazing!

Off the top of my head, these are some that are already available in Atmos:
13 Hours
American Sniper
John Wick (1 & 2)
Fantastic Beasts
Sicario
Justice League
The Man from Uncle
M.I. Rogue Nation
Deadpool (1 & 2)
Hunger Games (all)
At least 5+ others I can’t remember right now.

I’m thinking another set of height speakers for in front of the seating position are in order...




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Wehn I try to access my NR1608 from a web browser, I get "Error 403: Forbidden Access Forbidden", any ideas?

In better news, AirPlay 2 is accessible for Zone 2 play black. Select HEOS as your Z2 source.
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A quick question - I was reading 6012's spec which says each channel gets 110 watts - in parenthesis - (2ch drive) - does that mean its 110 watts only when 2 channels are being utilized?
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I have a 5 channel setup with my new 6012. My subwoofer is not working at the moment, and I'm waiting for the 12" Monoprice Monolith to become available again in a month.

My speakers are Paradigm Studio 80 v1 which go to down to 40hz. Surrounds are Studio 20's which go down to 58hz. Center is a CC450 rated to 70hz.

In terms of setup now:

Should I set all my speakers to small? And set the cross over for the fronts at 40hz and the rears at 60hz and center at 80hz? Or should I set the fronts to Large for now?

And when I get the sub:

All the speakers should be set to small/80hz and subwoofer LFE crossover set for 80hz?

Anything else I'm missing?

I ran through the audyseey setup and I'm pretty happy with the overall sound. But just want to make sure I'm managing the bass appropriately.

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Wehn I try to access my NR1608 from a web browser, I get "Error 403: Forbidden Access Forbidden", any ideas?

In better news, AirPlay 2 is accessible for Zone 2 play black. Select HEOS as your Z2 source.

Do you use a VPN? I think they can cause this type error.
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A quick question - I was reading 6012's spec which says each channel gets 110 watts - in parenthesis - (2ch drive) - does that mean its 110 watts only when 2 channels are being utilized?

Yes it does.

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Wehn I try to access my NR1608 from a web browser, I get "Error 403: Forbidden Access Forbidden", any ideas?
Unfortunately, models with HEOS lost the Web interface (my guess is that there isn't enough DSP memory to support both). Supposedly it'll be restored in 2019 models.

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Garth, I would set the fronts to large and 80 Hz crossover for the others. That Monoprice sub looks great. Let us know how it performs for you.

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Unfortunately, models with HEOS lost the Web interface (my guess is that there isn't enough DSP memory to support both). Supposedly it'll be restored in 2019 models.
Ah. I thought they added this feature back.
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A quick question - I was reading 6012's spec which says each channel gets 110 watts - in parenthesis - (2ch drive) - does that mean its 110 watts only when 2 channels are being utilized?
It depends on what you're listening to. The amps are limited to about half of the 680 Watts provided by the receiver's single, shared power supply. If they all need to output the maximum possible power at the same time, that'd be about 340W/9. That does not happen very often unless you're using "All Channel Stereo".

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Garth, I would set the fronts to large and 80 Hz crossover for the others. That Monoprice sub looks great. Let us know how it performs for you.
Thanks Rick, I will give that a try tonight. When I get the sub should they all go to small/80 including the fronts? I will definitely post a review once the sub becomes available and I am able to get it.
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When I run Audyssey it always sets my Klipsch RF-5 fronts to large. I set the to small. crossover at 80 HZ. I do have dual 18" subs with plenty of power.

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Wehn I try to access my NR1608 from a web browser, I get "Error 403: Forbidden Access Forbidden", any ideas?
Unfortunately, models with HEOS lost the Web interface (my guess is that there isn't enough DSP memory to support both). Supposedly it'll be restored in 2019 models.
It works with the 2018 models. I get the same error message on my SR7012 (2017 model), but the web interface works fine on the NR1609.

Seems trivial that Airplay 2 support can be added, but can’t access the web interface on the 2017 models.

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It works with the 2018 models. I get the same error message on my SR7012 (2017 model), but the web interface works fine on the NR1609.
Oops, sorry, I was thinking this was the 2018 thread. I often get confused among them.

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What is the latest firmware release for the 7012?

Some folks were talking about a Dolby Vision feature? I run my Oppo to my Sony A1E and DV works fine. Did I miss something?

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Garth, I would set the fronts to large and 80 Hz crossover for the others. That Monoprice sub looks great. Let us know how it performs for you.
Rick, thanks again. I made the changes as you suggested and watched Interstellar 4k last night. It sounded great! Really looking forward to getting a sub (or two) back in the mix.
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Garth, glad to help. If you can swing dual subs you will be rewarded with superior sound.

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Garth, I would set the fronts to large and 80 Hz crossover for the others. That Monoprice sub looks great. Let us know how it performs for you.
I have had the Monoprice Monolith 10 for two months now and I am extremely happy with it. I was afraid it wouldn't be sufficient for a 3500 SF room however it does the job admirably integrating seamlessly with movie soundtracks providing a dimension I have not experienced with previous subs. It is a gentle and fierce giant of a sub.
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