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With that in mind:
- HDMI 2.0a (on all inputs and outputs? is that a thing?)
- HDCP 2.2 support
- HDMI input on the front panel
- RCA input on the front panel
- Support for somewhere between 5.1 and 7.2 speakers
Thank you, oh wise and wonderful AVSForum.
- Is there anything missing from my must-have list?
- Are there any criteria I can use to narrow down my list?
- Are there any specific models you'd recommend?
Does this help?
- I/O: HDCP 2.2, HDMI x 4, RCA x 1 (preferably one HDMI and one RCA on the front). I have a 10-year old HD TV, so HDMI 2.0a doesn't matter. I only have one TV and one set of speakers, so multiple zones or multiple outputs don't matter.
- Power: The room is 150 sq ft and I have 4 wall-mounted Infinity Primus speakers and an HSU sub, so pretty much any power rating will do.
- Immersive: I don't mind immersive audio, but it's going to be hard to do in a room this size. I'm inclined to ignore this (along with 4k and HDR) and buy a new receiver and more speakers when I get a new room and TV in a year or two.
- Channels: I don't intend to go above 5.1, though I might go to 5.1.2 if it's easy and doesn't add too much to the price.
- Room Correction: Sounds great, but I've got a weird room with a bay window, so I'm counting this out.
- Networking: Won't use it.
- Wireless & Multi-Room: Won't use it.
- Analog Inputs: Need one, preferably two (one in back, one in front).
- Remotes & Apps: Don't really care.
- Budget: If someone told me I needed to spend more than $700 for the above, I'd understand why before buying, but I'd spend the money. If someone told me I could spend $400 for something that will last me a couple of years until I overhaul, that's be fine, too.
- The RX-V383 and AVR-S530BT seem pretty bare-bones. Am I going to regret buying a company's least expensive product?
- Is Yamaha's app remote worth moving up to the RX-V483?
- Should I rule out the AVR-S530BT for lack of Audyssey MultEQ?
- Why are folks are suggesting the Denon 2016 models rather than 2017 models?
@Gottria The analog is for audio for situations where I just want to use my living room as a nice set of speakers for something dopey like a laptop or an MP3 player.
- After a few days of trying to get to Fry's before traveling and a few days of trying to use TaskRabbit to have someone pick up an AVR-X3300W from Fry's while I was traveling, no dice.
- I'm now torn between a $350-400 box that will do the job (RX-V481, RX-V483, RX-V581, AVR-X1300W) and waiting for a higher end box (AVR-X3300W, AVR-X2400H, RX-A760BL, RX-A770BL, Marantz SR6011) to go on sale below $500 again.
- If I felt better about the lower-end series (Yamaha RX-Vxxx and Denon AVR-Sxxx), I'd probably just buy one. Across the board, however, the higher-end series (RX-Axxxx, AVR-Xxxxx) seem to get higher marks. The warranty difference, for example, seems a clear indication of a workmanship difference.
- I am slightly concerned that the warranty dropped from 3 years on the AVR-X2300W to 2 years on the AVR-X2400H.
- For now I'm just monitoring SlickDeals until the sting of missing the X3300 wears off and/or I feel better about the lower-end series.
- If I were smarter, I'd just suck it up and buy something.
This left me with the RX-V581 ($400), RX-A660BL ($650), AVR-S720W ($340), and AVR-X1300W ($400 and Dargent0628's original suggestion). These, oddly, are exactly the consumer and pro-sumer versions of the third-tier 2016 Denon & Yamaha models (one tier up from what I was considering in my last post).
- Made a list of all AVR brands.
- Eliminated brands with bad reputations (Insignia, Pioneer, Pyle), were British (Arcam), weren't making new models anymore (Harman-Kardon), or were too rich for my blood (Anthem, Cambridge Audio, Marantz).
- Skimmed the reviews for the low- and mid-range products for the remaining brands (Denon, Onkyo, Sony, Yamaha) and decided that there were too many quality complaints about Onkyo and too many "not worth the money" comments about Sony.
- Made a list of all of the Denon and Yamaha AVRs that are still for sale new (i.e. not refurbished or used), which is basically 2015-2017.
- Eliminated anything without HDMI 2.0a (Yamaha 2015, Denon AVR-S510BT).
- Eliminated anything with the original Denon Android/iPhone app which seems to have been widely panned (Denon 2015).
- Decided I:
- don't need Atmos because it doesn't work unless you have at least 7 channels and my room is too small to justify 7.
- do want DTS:X because it works with 5 channels and only the cheapest models don't have it.
- don't need MultEQ XT32 or YPAO RSC because they don't seem to make a difference unless you have more expensive speakers than I do (Infinity Primus & HSU sub).
- Eliminated anything without DTS:X (RX-V381/383/481/483, AVR-S530BT).
- Compared feature lists and eliminated higher-end or newer models that didn't offer new features I cared about (RX-V581 eliminated RX-V583/681 & up, RX-A660BL eliminated RX-A670BL/760BL & up, AVR-S720W eliminated AVR-S730H/S920W & up, AVR-X1300W eliminated AVR-X1400H/2300W & up).
I hope somebody some day saves some time using some part of this reasoning. I couldn't have done this without y'all. Many thanks to @Gottria , @Afront , @Dargent0628 , @Bill-99 , @drh3b , @Vette_Killer , and @Phil Carman !
- Crutchfield product pages (e.g. https://www.crutchfield.com/S-7r28dG...a-RX-V581.html) for spec lists.
- Crutchfield comparison pages they make for similar models (e.g. https://www.crutchfield.com/S-9WulrU...a-RX-V681.html) for quickly identifying changes between models (be sure to click the "Hide similar features" button).
- The AVS Forum Denon year-summary pages (e.g. https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-rec...hread-faq.html) for understanding the evolution and design of the Denon lines.
- The Amazon product pages (e.g. https://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-RX-V58.../dp/B01BY7YPGC) for determining the model years of various devices.