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Yamaha RX-V581 or 681 - please help

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I am confused about choosing the right AVR from Yamaha, between 581 and 681. Which will be having the best match with my custom 7.2 sound system comprising Bose acoustimas 10 (5.1) + Bose acoustimas 5 (2.1)?
I was told by the Yamaha customer care representative that both are having same wattage of 600 watts but 681 has high ampere rating for which the sound output will have much clarity.
My (dedicated) room dimension is 25 x 9.5 x 10 (L x W x H in feet)
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Do you care about Zone 2? Playing one source in main area and listening to a different source in Zone 2? If so then get the 681.

The 581 only has Zone B which plays the same source in both zones. It's kind of limited.

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Do you care about Zone 2? Playing one source in main area and listening to a different source in Zone 2? If so then get the 681.

The 581 only has Zone B which plays the same source in both zones. It's kind of limited.
Not at all. As it is dedicated room for movies and music, I won't listen to other area.

So, any other vital differences?
And most importantly, which one is best matched to Bose AM10 & AM5 setup?
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Yamaha RX-V581 or 681 - please help

(hint) You should be able to perform a model comparison at the Yamaha web site.

If you're inclined to shopping at Costco, they have the TSR-5810 (essentially the same AVR as the RX-v581) on a $40 rebate through 6/19. $349 is the member price IIRC after the rebate.

Not sure either amp will make the Bose speakers sound much better. Buying an AVR is the first step in replacing Bose home theater components with far better alternatives.

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(hint) You should be able to perform a model comparison at the Yamaha web site.

If you're inclined to shopping at Costco, they have the TSR-5810 (essentially the same AVR as the RX-v581) on a $40 rebate through 6/19. $349 is the member price IIRC after the rebate.

Not sure either amp will make the Bose speakers sound much better. Buying an AVR is the first step in replacing Bose home theater components with far better alternatives.
Actually, I already purchased Bose setup. Now it's turn for AVR. I am going in opposite direction you can say. .
I already saw the comparison chart in the Yamaha website but couldn't understand which one will be the best fit for the Bose setup.
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Just get one of the 581 clones.

RX-V581
TSR-5810
RX-A660
HTR-5069
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The extras for the 681:

---Phono input

---Higher level YPAO

---Future firmware upgrade for DV (Dolby Vision) and HLG (hybrid log gamma) passthrough

At a guess, the YPAO is the only one that you might care about, but it's not of great importance.

Any particular reason for only considering Yamaha? The Denon AVR-X1300W and AVR-X2300W cover the same range. Audyssey room correction software.
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Oh, oh, oh, with those Bose speakers a higher level YPAO might be a critical deciding point.

But since these are 2016 models, I'd say, Shop around, find the best bargain. You can always sell it on and upgrade later.
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Oh, oh, oh, with those Bose speakers a higher level YPAO might be a critical deciding point.

But since these are 2016 models, I'd say, Shop around, find the best bargain. You can always sell it on and upgrade later.
Somehow, I get the impression that you're not fond of Bose.

I heard a "colloquium" by Amar Bose circa 1990. It was more of a sales pitch than a technical presentation. (He pushed an elegant little stereo receiver. Brushed aluminum, simplified controls. No mention of Bang & Olufsen, which had been selling something similar for years.) I see that Bose died in 2013. I wonder how much things have changed there since?

(Their reputation was for gimmicky speakers that were fairly good, but overpriced. Aimed at people who were prepared with a budget well above the low-end, but who knew nothing about audio.)
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You'll find that any serious audio forum will not be fond of Bose. But if you like them that's all that matters.

(Their reputation was for gimmicky speakers that were fairly good, but overpriced. Aimed at people who were prepared with a budget well above the low-end, but who knew nothing about audio.)

Yep, overpriced for what you get is their reputation. But they're popular with folks who want small unobtrusive speakers and sound quality is not their primary concern. Style over substance.
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Heh, you'd think that. Maybe look at my sigline, profile. I have reasonably priced (for early 90s) speakers that sound good to my ear.

But my opinion about the more recent AcoustiMass crap isn't for polite company. Gimmicky and overpriced sums it up about right.
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Thanks all for the help.

From the comments, what i understood that Yamaha 681 would be better from Bose perspective.
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the 681 is just a better featured AVR. Get it for that reason too.
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Heh, you'd think that. Maybe look at my sigline, profile. I have reasonably priced (for early 90s) speakers that sound good to my ear.

But my opinion about the more recent AcoustiMass crap isn't for polite company. Gimmicky and overpriced sums it up about right.
Sorry, didn't notice your signature.

I suppose that the 301s and 401s are less funky than, say, 901s. (Early 1980s. Supposed to emulate a spherical emitter.)
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Thanks all for the help.

From the comments, what i understood that Yamaha 681 would be better from Bose perspective.
Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

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The extras for the 681:

Any particular reason for only considering Yamaha? The Denon AVR-X1300W and AVR-X2300W cover the same range. Audyssey room correction software.
In my locality, I have good services of Yamaha, so I am going for this.
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Not sure how you came to that conclusion.

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Neither receiver has Bose specific features.

If you want the extra add-on features of the 681, spend on it. Otherwise, save your money and get the 581.
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Not sure how you came to that conclusion.
[edit] Improved YPAO measurement. Might offer better PEQ for those AcoustiMass satellites.
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Multipoint YPAO. Might offer better PEQ for those AcoustiMass satellites.
Yeah, but that's for any satellite system.

That's the choice of spending for single point vs. multipoint YPAO, not having one receiver better for Bose speakers specifically than the other.

Then the question really is, I have some sort of 7.2 system, what receiver should I get? Which still reduces into a receiver feature set question. Which then reduces into a incremental cost-benefit question re: feature sets.
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Multipoint YPAO. Might offer better PEQ for those AcoustiMass satellites.
The 681 doesn't have Multipoint YPAO, I just got the A760 which is the Aventage equivalent of the 681. It does one listening position when you run YPAO. Maybe you're thinking of the 781/7810 which does multipoint YPAO.

The 681 has Parametric EQ (PEQ) which is not offered on the 581. It is a manual EQ function though. YPAO only goes down to 31Hz. The 681 has Reflective Sound Control (RSC) which is a step up from basic YPAO.

I still think Denon's Audyssey is better whether it be MultEQ, MultEQ XT or XT32.
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The 681 doesn't have Multipoint YPAO, I just got the A760 which is the Aventage equivalent of the 681. It does one listening position when you run YPAO. Maybe you're thinking of the 781/7810 which does multipoint YPAO.
My goof. Someone posted "better YPAO," thought that meant multipoint. Don't have this model's OM handy at the moment.

My point is the same, if the YPAO is a slightly better version, then for some that might be trivial but for someone with quirky Bose Acoustimass speakers the resulting PEQ could make it sound a bit better.
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My goof. Someone posted "better YPAO," thought that meant multipoint. Don't have this model's OM handy at the moment.

My point is the same, if the YPAO is a slightly better version, then for some that might be trivial but for someone with quirky Bose Acoustimass speakers the resulting PEQ could make it sound a bit better.
So far, that's the best reason I've heard to go with the 681.

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I should have written more than just "better YPAO".

The 581 does the basic YPAO, while the 681 used YPAO R.S.C. The difference:

https://simplehomecinema.com/2014/10...dvanced-topic/

It's not multipoint. The 781 and up offer multipoint.
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