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Looks good. I was getting about 0.2% THD measuring from the speaker terminals.

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Measured 758 headphone out. You can hear a relay clicking when connector is plugged in. DL is automatically switched off. This should go without saying but some manufacturers took shortcuts in the past. Emotiva for example.

Does this look like significant amounts of distortion? I don't think so.

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Thanks for the quick reply. Plugging and Unplugging a few times makes it chug along to the next step. Must be the slow WIFI. Looks like if finally finished with the updates.
You should be able to plug a 100Mbps ethernet to USB adapter with an ASIX-brand chipset into the USB slot and use it instead of wifi. Can get them under $10 shipped; no-name brands are fine. Maybe your wifi signal was poor. Would be good to get this sorted out as there will be more firmware updates that may give you a headache again in the future. (Gigabit adapters may or may not work but you don't need gigabit for this purpose anyway). If you don't go for ethernet then see if you can adjust your wifi system (maybe just some antenna positioning adjustments will help). I realize you got it installed now, just trying to help you avoid more problems next time the firmware gets updated.
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You should be able to plug a 100Mbps ethernet to USB adapter with an ASIX-brand chipset into the USB slot and use it instead of wifi. Can get them under $10 shipped; no-name brands are fine. Maybe your wifi signal was poor. Would be good to get this sorted out as there will be more firmware updates that may give you a headache again in the future. (Gigabit adapters may or may not work but you don't need gigabit for this purpose anyway). If you don't go for ethernet then see if you can adjust your wifi system (maybe just some antenna positioning adjustments will help). I realize you got it installed now, just trying to help you avoid more problems next time the firmware gets updated.
Might be useful to check the log as well, see what happened. Go to the IP of your AVR > Diagnostics > More
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Can you post a photo of your device showing what we should see to make sure is the new card? Please?
Search thread. Pictures have been posted a couple of times.

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Search thread. Pictures have been posted a couple of times.
Yes, found it. Thanks!
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I am torned between the Nad and the Yamaha 3070. Do you have any inputs on how they compare?



Thanks!


I own the Yamaha 3060, and am seriously considering replacing it with the NAD, primarily because of Dirac Live. Yamaha’s are excellent receivers, lots of inputs and great sound quality, but I don’t think YPAO compares very favorably with DL. I’m only waiting on the DTS:X update to pull the trigger.


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WHICH SMALL RECTANGULAR. THE SOLID BLACK ONE vs the one with the RUBBER/CAP?
WHAT does the rest of the BlueOS Device used for?
The solid black one is the WiFi adapter. The USB hub with a BluOS sticker on it is just an off-the-shelf USB hub. I actually ended up using the WiFi adapter on the extension cable as I was getting poor reception without it.
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Seems fine to me. Disclaimer, of course, that this is a "low power" measurement, but it's still more data than we had previously.
The claim was that the unit is showing crossover distortion, which would only show up with a low-power measurement.
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The claim was that the unit is showing crossover distortion, which would only show up with a low-power measurement.

It shows up as more distortion with low voltage. By low power I mean there is very little load, no 4-8 ohm speaker. An amp can change its behavior with different loads. If your point is that it is a useful test, then I agree.
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I own the Yamaha 3060, and am seriously considering replacing it with the NAD, primarily because of Dirac Live. Yamaha’s are excellent receivers, lots of inputs and great sound quality, but I don’t think YPAO compares very favorably with DL. I’m only waiting on the DTS:X update to pull the trigger.

... and also in response to xhattan just before that...

If you've not had Dirac, I think you'll like the improvement. I have a Yamaha RX-A3040 running through miniDSP DDRC-88BM, and the Dirac has much improved the sound in my room. Considerably better than YPAO, in my opinion! I'm considering the NAD 758 or 777 too, but you probably are aware that you have the option to add Dirac externally if you want to keep your Yamaha (no DTS:X though). And xhattan, if these NADs with Dirac had been available when I bought my Yamaha, I'd have bought NAD. It's also a less expensive way to get Dirac, if that's a key importance to you.

BTW There's a great thread on miniDSP here, lots to learn there for folks looking specifically for info on Dirac usage thanks to great contributors like AustinJerry. His resource guides helped me get my system set up well, and lots of that know-how would work also in the NAD version of Dirac.

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New NAD T758 v3 owner here! A couple of questions:

Is there an FAQ and/or list of recommended settings or is my only option reading through all 115 pages?

I'm planning on a 5.1.4 setup and the receiver only has enough 7 outputs. Is it better to pick up a high powered amp for my fronts (LR or LCR?), or a lower powered amp for the Atmos speakers? Are there any amps that would work particularly well or particularly poorly with the 758?

Where is the NAD-specific setting to use my center channel for dialogue even when fed stereo (AKA TV shows)?
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New NAD T758 v3 owner here! A couple of questions:

Is there an FAQ and/or list of recommended settings or is my only option reading through all 115 pages?

I'm planning on a 5.1.4 setup and the receiver only has enough 7 outputs. Is it better to pick up a high powered amp for my fronts (LR or LCR?), or a lower powered amp for the Atmos speakers? Are there any amps that would work particularly well or particularly poorly with the 758?
What are your front speakers? Generally I'd think option 2, unless you have speakers that are very hard to drive and you need highish SPL.
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What are your front speakers?


Good catch, I should have included that info. They are Ascend Sierra 2s (horizontal center has rotated tweeter), though I am considering upgrading to the Sierra Towers.
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Good catch, I should have included that info. They are Ascend Sierra 2s (horizontal center has rotated tweeter), though I am considering upgrading to the Sierra Towers.
I don't think those will be a problem unless you want movie reference level...but you probably don't, otherwise you'd have different speakers.

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New NAD T758 v3 owner here! A couple of questions:

Is there an FAQ and/or list of recommended settings or is my only option reading through all 115 pages?

I'm planning on a 5.1.4 setup and the receiver only has enough 7 outputs. Is it better to pick up a high powered amp for my fronts (LR or LCR?), or a lower powered amp for the Atmos speakers? Are there any amps that would work particularly well or particularly poorly with the 758?

Where is the NAD-specific setting to use my center channel for dialogue even when fed stereo (AKA TV shows)?

You need to use the stereo amp for the 2nd pair of height speakers, you can't reassign the L+R internal amps if you use an external power amp for them


As for your 2nd point, just enable Dolby Surround, that should put vocals through the centre
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I don't think those will be a problem unless you want movie reference level...but you probably don't, otherwise you'd have different speakers.
I don't see anything that suggests his speakers wouldn't be capable of 105dB peaks?
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Good catch, I should have included that info. They are Ascend Sierra 2s (horizontal center has rotated tweeter), though I am considering upgrading to the Sierra Towers.
Unless you listen to stereo music without a sub, I wouldn't bother
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I occasionally do listen to 2-channel music in the receiver's analog bypass mode exactly for that reason, to eliminate the sub (and any digital processing.) It is why I have my Bluesound Vault 2 and my turntable both connected to the T758 via analog inputs, despite having the BlueOS kit installed. It will not use any digital sources in that mode because it also bypasses the T758's DAC.

The KEF R500's bass won't touch what a sub does, though for a LOT of music the placement from the rear and side boundaries I have delivers quite good bass!

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I don't see anything that suggests his speakers wouldn't be capable of 105dB peaks?
At a distance of 3 meters, an 86dB efficient speaker requires nearly a thousand watts to produce 105dB. They would blow up if you tried.

The best he could hope for is about 93dB, which is pretty loud in a typical home room anyway.

Agreed on the towers - subs will greatly outperform the towers, so I'd spend the money there.
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As for your 2nd point, just enable Dolby Surround, that should put vocals through the centre
Unless "Center spread" is active in the Dolby Surround settings.
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Do you use setup with T758 for Hi-Fi, or just for HT?

If yes...
2.0 or 2.1?
What front (stereo) speakers you are using?
Do you use external amp (for front channels)?
Do you use Dirac for stereo - full or limited to some frequency?


Thanks in advance.
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New NAD T758 v3 owner here! A couple of questions:

Is there an FAQ and/or list of recommended settings or is my only option reading through all 115 pages?

I'm planning on a 5.1.4 setup and the receiver only has enough 7 outputs. Is it better to pick up a high powered amp for my fronts (LR or LCR?), or a lower powered amp for the Atmos speakers? Are there any amps that would work particularly well or particularly poorly with the 758?

Where is the NAD-specific setting to use my center channel for dialogue even when fed stereo (AKA TV shows)?
I have one of these AudioSource 2 channel amps: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...IKX0DER&psc=1#
They are not super reliable, so I'd go cheap 2 channel amp but spend more than $100. You could go 5 channel. The 5 channel Monoprice amps are supposed to be great. The are built on an ATI architecture and have 200W All Channels Driven. Otherwise, for $600 on the used market you could get a nicely priced Rotel or Parasound amp.

Side Note: I wish people would have graphs reporting this differences in amps. There should be no difference but everything I hear one way or the other is anecdotal. How is a $3500 amp different than an $800 amp... other than alleged build quality.

If the OP uses an external amp for LCR would that free up power from the AVR to supply the other speakers. More generally, I see it's 60W all channels driven but if all the surrounds are not playing content does that mean the LCR will have more than 60W available? Maybe 80W or 90W for LCR (those are the only ones playing a fair amount of the time). Or is 60W allocated for each channel regardless?

The reason I ask all of these things: if there is a difference in amp sound AND freeing the surrounds opens up to LCR THEN putting all of the surrounds on a cheaper amp would free up the LCR to use the NAD amp which appears to be quite nice.
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Yeah it's shared power, hence why the 2ch rating is higher
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Do you use setup with T758 for Hi-Fi, or just for HT?

If yes...
2.0 or 2.1?
What front (stereo) speakers you are using?
Do you use external amp (for front channels)?
Do you use Dirac for stereo - full or limited to some frequency?


Thanks in advance.
HiFi and HT. If a setup doesn't do both then there's something wrong.
Speakers are DIY and change too often. Using DL full bandwidth (also because speakers are DIY).
External amp (Parasound ZoneMaster 1250).
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HiFi and HT. If a setup doesn't do both then there's something wrong.
I agree!

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The reason I ask all of these things: if there is a difference in amp sound AND freeing the surrounds opens up to LCR THEN putting all of the surrounds on a cheaper amp would free up the LCR to use the NAD amp which appears to be quite nice.
Just yesterday received Nad ci9120 12x80W channel used amp and hooked it up. I decided to go all available 7.?.4. and all channels go through amp. No dirac yet as not all speakers installed.
I don't know much about amp's, this is my first, but it sounded better than avr.
Is this real?
Local NAD dealer said it would sound better, so may-be it's placebo!
and interestingly had to change speaker levels with spl. They are more even through amp.

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HiFi and HT. If a setup doesn't do both then there's something wrong.
Speakers are DIY and change too often. Using DL full bandwidth (also because speakers are DIY).
External amp (Parasound ZoneMaster 1250).
Which DIY speakers? Are they designs from DIYSG? I'm putting together a pair of Midbass Modules with a pair of Magnum 12's from Erich at DIYSG and a Crown XLS2002. I plan on replacing my Rythmik's with some 18" ULF subs for 18Hz to 40Hz, MBM's for 40Hz to 100Hz, then my Paradigm 7.x.4 for the surround, top, LCR. Had I known more about DIY, I may have DIY'd my entire setup from the get go.
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@markus767 , could you please provide a brief description of your DIY speakers and the benefits of running them full range with DL?
I'm asking as i'm building an active 3 Way with: AE TD12M + Beyma TPL 150H + Beyma 15P80ND, and would like to understand the benefits of running them full range.
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@markus767 , could you please provide a brief description of your DIY speakers and the benefits of running them full range with DL?
I'm asking as i'm building an active 3 Way with: AE TD12M + Beyma TPL 150H + Beyma 15P80ND, and would like to understand the benefits of running them full range.
As much as I'd like to there's no way of outlining everything that went into my thinking in one (or several) forum posts.

P.S. The question wasn't if I run the speakers full range or not but whether I use a full range correction or not.
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As much as I'd like to there's no way of outlining everything that went into my thinking in one (or several) forum posts.

P.S. The question wasn't if I run the speakers full range or not but whether I use a full range correction or not.

As opposed to the upper 500hz Dirac LE limit? Or do you mean under 80Hz too?
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