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For your office? NICE!!

I am betting it comes home with you tomorrow!! [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]
Possible, though my dealer also recently picked up the Naim line and I've heard some of it. Very tempting, though no Dirac or MQA.

Curiously, I spotted the M10 in a photo of the new PSB Atom speakers that they posted on their Facebook page and mentioned it. That won me a copy of the coffee table book 50 Years of KEF.

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I was also considering the Naim Atom but no sub crossover. No MQA or DSD. Less power. And more expensive. I believe the DAC is also burr brown which is not as high level as the Sabre. More like what’s in the Node 2. Not a touchscreen either but that doesn’t matter to me.

Any-hoo. I think I’ve gone off topic on this thread enough. Sorry all.



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No worries! I still plan to keep and use my NAD T758v3, and the DAC/amp/streamer we've been discussing is NAD gear. It's a GREAT choice for those who appreciate the supreme value they're getting from NAD product/performance ratio because it could take a whole rack of 2-channel gear to do what the M10 does.

It's price belies what it offers, just as the T758v3 does!

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Less distortion, shows album artwork without a TV, less than half the size, higher reserve power, and looks cooler. ESS Sabre DAC for direct DSD play. Probably more.

I have a T758v3 and don't have any use or room for a second one in my office where I'll be using an M10 (or similar Naim) for my 2.1 channel system.

What do you do with a Chromecast and Android phone that I can't do with the T758v3's BluOS mode and my Android tablet?
The Chromecast expands streaming sources, including video sources as well.

Nice to have album art without a TV; for that, I have a 24" LCD monitor near the TV on an HDMI splitter. That way I don't have to power up the 64" plasma.

At the office, I would just use a tablet on a stand as your interface. Way cheaper, nicer, and more capable. This assumes you have Wi-Fi at the office.

That may even be better than my HDMI splitter+monitor solution. I think I'm going to check out tablets now.

And if you are really pushing the amps at the office to the point where the distortion figures come into play, well rock on brother . Up to you if that's worth the extra $1k; I just can't imagine needing that much wattage in my system.

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I went back and forth on this myself.

They have similar traits but they are obviously targeting different segments. The 758 is a AVR targeted at home theater/multi use setups. The M10 is a slick little box with a big touchscreen for a front panel targeted at posh two channel setups.

Honestly though, this little box drives my R300’s better than any other amp I’ve tried. It’s pretty incredible especially for how small it is.

I am in the camp that believes amplifiers don’t sound different as long as they are kept within their limits so the only explanation is that the M10’s limits are harder to reach.

I do believe DACs can sound different because of different filters used so that may have something to do with it to.
I do believe this, as my LG V30+ has a DAC with selectable impulse response settings. However, I don't think that means the hardware itself would sound any different up against other DACs unless using these modifications to the sound. In fact, after extensive listening, the setting of OFF sounds the best and most natural on this device.

I'm sure the M10 is a very nice device. In my system, I'd put the $1k into another sub. But that's my priority...yours may be different.

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The Chromecast expands streaming sources, including video sources as well.

Nice to have album art without a TV; for that, I have a 24" LCD monitor near the TV on an HDMI splitter. That way I don't have to power up the 64" plasma.

At the office, I would just use a tablet on a stand as your interface. Way cheaper, nicer, and more capable. This assumes you have Wi-Fi at the office.

That may even be better than my HDMI splitter+monitor solution. I think I'm going to check out tablets now.

And if you are really pushing the amps at the office to the point where the distortion figures come into play, well rock on brother . Up to you if that's worth the extra $1k; I just can't imagine needing that much wattage in my system.
We all have different needs and wants. With my T758v3 in the living room surround system, I don't need any additional device in the mix for streaming video. The Samsung TV can do that, or I could upgrade my BluRay player to be a streaming one. In your case the plasma TV's are hard to give up, especially a big one like you have. Many will keep them until the last flicker of video emits, others prefer a thinner LED, OLED, or QLED set that uses a lot less power, less heat, and less weight makes them easy to mount on the wall. One thing I wouldn't want is more than one monitor in the living room.

As for the office desktop 2.1 channel setup and moving to the M10 (from a Bluesound Powernode 2), it's mostly a matter of I just like its looks and want it. I'm definitely spending money, lots more than many people might. But it's also a lot LESS money than many (and you) would spend. At 59, my kids are long ago grown up and gone, I'm still working, and I want it. It's this or a new motorcycle. I might still go for the bike.
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Guys let’s try to keep this thread for 758 discussion. Post M10 comments in the already started M10 thread...

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I called NAD's 800 number to see if I needed to get anything from them before sending it in for repair. I was told I could take it directly to a repair shop along with a copy of the purchase receipt to verify it was under warranty. I may have missed it, but I didn't see anything on NAD's US website about getting a repair ticket or going through any troubleshooting. I live about 2.5 hours from a NAD dealer, so I ended up getting a refurb from Safe and Sound in Massachusetts. As a bonus, S&S apparently doesn't sell enough products in Illinois that they have to collect sales tax, so I saved an unexpected 6%. My shipping costs to the repair depot are going to eat into that savings a bit.


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NAD EARS vs dts neo6 music vs dts virtual:x

The 758 v3 is very appealing because of Dirac and dts virtual or EARS for enhanced stereo. The vast majority of my listening is to classical stereo sources. Extracting the ambiance in many recordings and using it to synthesize a very believable 5.1 or 7.1 ambiance is one of my goals. I have an Oppo with dts neo6, which is not any better than straight stereo.

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The 758 v3 is very appealing because of Dirac and dts virtual or EARS for enhanced stereo. The vast majority of my listening is to classical stereo sources. Extracting the ambiance in many recordings and using it to synthesize a very believable 5.1 or 7.1 ambiance is one of my goals. I have an Oppo with dts neo6, which is not any better than straight stereo.

Do any of you have any thoughts about NAD's EARS and the forthcoming dts virtual:x for this application?

TIA.

Will you be using a 5.1 setup for this? And playing back stereo sources? Or simply headphone use?
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Will you be using a 5.1 setup for this? And playing back stereo sources? Or simply headphone use?
4.0 for now. 5.1 soon. Another reason for the 758 v3.
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4.0 for now. 5.1 soon. Another reason for the 758 v3.
Personally I've found Dolby Surround Upmixer the best for upmixing anything and everything
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The 758 v3 is very appealing because of Dirac and dts virtual or EARS for enhanced stereo. The vast majority of my listening is to classical stereo sources. Extracting the ambiance in many recordings and using it to synthesize a very believable 5.1 or 7.1 ambiance is one of my goals. I have an Oppo with dts neo6, which is not any better than straight stereo.

Do any of you have any thoughts about NAD's EARS and the forthcoming dts virtual:x for this application?

TIA.
I expected to be using the EARS mode a lot more than I am, after reading such good things about it. It turns out I prefer DTS NEO Music and the new Atmos 'Dolby Surround' upmixing to the EARS mode on most material though. I will say that with Dirac matching the speakers so well, I am doing more listening in surround than I have before, previously I considered the surround modes useful only for purely artificial material (electronic music and the like), but I do find myself using it on acoustic & live material with the NAD.
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I expected to be using the EARS mode a lot more than I am, after reading such good things about it. It turns out I prefer DTS NEO Music and the new Atmos 'Dolby Surround' upmixing to the EARS mode on most material though. I will say that with Dirac matching the speakers so well, I am doing more listening in surround than I have before, previously I considered the surround modes useful only for purely artificial material (electronic music and the like), but I do find myself using it on acoustic & live material with the NAD.
Same here. DTS Neo Music being my preference for the little bit of surround music I bother listening to.

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4.0 for now. 5.1 soon. Another reason for the 758 v3.
Personally I've found Dolby Surround Upmixer the best for upmixing anything and everything [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Super big plus 1! For certain shows I liken to force stereo to force the surround upmix. I absolutely love it!
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I just wanted to say Thank You to the many posters here who have been so generous in sharing their knowledge of the NAD 758 v3. I recently added a Monoprice Monolith 12 subwoofer to the system and, opon just plugging in, it was very weak. I knew to look here and found the discussion and links for the bass enhanced tagget curves for Dirac 2.1 and, on another AVSForums thread, the detailed subwoofer calibration. Using that info, I booosted the Monolith gain to nearly the max for the volume calibration step of Dirac, which put it just slightly above the level of the fronts and surrounds. After calibration, I used the default Dirac target curve and then loaded slot 2nd with the +6dB Harmon curve and 3rd slot with the +10 dB Harmon curve (being sure to load the same curve for each set of speakers).

Each curve was much improved from prior calibrations. Personally I prefer the +10 dB curve. Every system is different which is why it's great to be able to use and compute 3 different target curves. The system sounds great with the Monolith producing effortless, impactful bass. Thanks again everyone!
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I am now very close to buying the NAD 758 V3 but I am a little bit afraid of the humming some are reporting. I am using a 4.1 setup and do not plan to upgrade to Atmos. Is the problem only related to the Atmos channels or does it also occur on the regular outputs?

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I am now very close to buying the NAD 758 V3 but I am a little bit afraid of the humming some are reporting. I am using a 4.1 setup and do not plan to upgrade to Atmos. Is the problem only related to the Atmos channels or does it also occur on the regular outputs?

No humming to report here


On early models there was some hissing via the atmos pre-outs but this has been fixed
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I am now very close to buying the NAD 758 V3 but I am a little bit afraid of the humming some are reporting. I am using a 4.1 setup and do not plan to upgrade to Atmos. Is the problem only related to the Atmos channels or does it also occur on the regular outputs?

I have the NAD 777 which is similar to the 758. I have JTR speakers that are very efficient and sensitive to humming and I have not experienced any humming to date.
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Im sure this has been asked before but I cannot find anything.

Why is it that when the T758 is being sent a bitstream or Atmos signal the display say "Direct"? The app even says its "DolbyAtmos" .

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Im sure this has been asked before but I cannot find anything.

Why is it that when the T758 is being sent a bitstream or Atmos signal the display say "Direct"? The app even says its "DolbyAtmos" .
I get "Atmos" on my NAD display when streaming Atmos. What is your 758 connected to for streaming content?
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I get "Atmos" on my NAD display when streaming Atmos. What is your 758 connected to for streaming content?


I figured it out. I had the front display set to show Listening Mode. I switched it back to Audio Codec and all is good.

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Funny, I have the exact opposite experience with center and main speakers. The Ushers are quite natural, (do not like the term neutral,) but when I switched from a simple 5.1 small Onkyo system to my Ushers as mains, the center sounded off. I switched it with an old Kef C55 and it even was way more off. Then I bought a second hand X-616 and it still sounded different when sounds went from the center to one of the mains or back. Now I have upgraded the tweeter to the DMD version and they integrate very nicely.

I did not have any Dirac correction then, so that could have helped. I also doubt it as I use Dirac until just above schoeder frequency, which is about 123 Hz so to say 150 Hz. I like the T758v3 for its BluOS and Dirac Live slots. Isn’t it better to stream Spotify from a laptop/computer in terms of sound quality?

OK, thanks for your input. That gives me even less urge to change the center speaker since it integrates well with the fronts (probably by pure chance).
Everything with digital signals sound better on my Kii Threes than when feeding them analog unbalances signals as I do today. Especially the low bass is significantly better when digital signals are used. So for those rare occations when I can actually sit down and enjoy music (when my family isn't around disturbing), I always plug in a laptop and use the USB input for Spotify listening. But under normal circumstances there's too much noice from three kids and sometimes even the wife, for anoyne to notice the benefits, and then the Spotify Connect in the NAD wortks more than well enough.
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AHAAAAAHHHHH!!! I've just bought the NAD 758 V3 and now I am stuck at 99% DSP upgrade. I have already factory rested the devise and powered it down. It always restarts the process over and over again. Why do I always have such bad luck with AVRs? Anny recommendations?

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Does anyone know if NAD are working on a Dirac enabled T758/T777 successor in a form factor with a large touch screen?



Like the new M10, but in a 7.1.4 setting? I've been thinking about buying new gear for a while now, but the small 1990s styled screen of the current models is holding me back a bit. It doesn't help that you'd need a phone or tablet to control BluOS. I currently use an antiquated Logitech Squeezebox Touch, and its touch screen makes it a lot faster to change my radio channel or Spotify track compared to having to unlock my phone and load the app - or give a tablet to my guests if they want to change something. I really hope NAD can produce something like that in 2019.



I know the pre-pro M17 has a touch screen, but I believe it's really limited compared to the M10, and it's also a bit too expensive for my taste.

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Does anyone know if NAD are working on a Dirac enabled T758/T777 successor in a form factor with a large touch screen?



Like the new M10, but in a 7.1.4 setting? I've been thinking about buying new gear for a while now, but the small 1990s styled screen of the current models is holding me back a bit. It doesn't help that you'd need a phone or tablet to control BluOS. I currently use an antiquated Logitech Squeezebox Touch, and its touch screen makes it a lot faster to change my radio channel or Spotify track compared to having to unlock my phone and load the app - or give a tablet to my guests if they want to change something. I really hope NAD can produce something like that in 2019.



I know the pre-pro M17 has a touch screen, but I believe it's really limited compared to the M10, and it's also a bit too expensive for my taste.
I dont think you will see something like that since these devices are geared around the assumption you have a screen already.

The screen on the M10 allows you to do normal functions like Play/Pause, Next Track, Volume, etc. but you cannot use it to browse music

Why not just dedicate a tablet for the job? Seems like that would be easier than having a screen on the AVR.
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AHAAAAAHHHHH!!! I've just bought the NAD 758 V3 and now I am stuck at 99% DSP upgrade. I have already factory rested the devise and powered it down. It always restarts the process over and over again. Why do I always have such bad luck with AVRs? Anny recommendations?
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AHAAAAAHHHHH!!! I've just bought the NAD 758 V3 and now I am stuck at 99% DSP upgrade. I have already factory rested the devise and powered it down. It always restarts the process over and over again. Why do I always have such bad luck with AVRs? Anny recommendations?
Do not panic, the update server is most likely overloaded. Try upgrading later or tomorrow. Or, download the update file to USB Flash and run the update from it.
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Do not panic, the update server is most likely overloaded. Try upgrading later or tomorrow. Or, download the update file to USB Flash and run the update from it.
Hmmmm that might be a solution. Can you give me more input regarding the USB flash procedure?

Edit: Pulled the latest update file from NAD page and moved it to an USB stick which I sticked into the BueOS dongle. Upgrade process surely used the file from the flash drive but still got stuck at 99%.

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Hmmmm that might be a solution. Can you give me more input regarding the USB flash procedure?

Edit: Pulled the latest update file from NAD page and moved it to an USB stick which I sticked into the BueOS dongle. Upgrade process surely used the file from the flash drive but still got stuck at 99%.
Turn off the receiver, disconnect the USB Hub from usb, download and unzip the firmware file, format the usb flash in fat32, copy the firmware file to usb flash, connect the usb flash directly to the USB port of your receiver and turn it on.

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