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post #9931 of 10091 Old 10-21-2019, 11:56 PM
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If I click there it only gives me the 2 options with 2 speakers. Stereo and surround ( dolby 2.0 ).
It’️s so weird. The avr tells my mac mini its only 2 speakers. While with my appletv and netflix it goes to dolby without a problem
Try adjusting the Audio Midi Setup config as outlined in this guide: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/113-s...r-mac-rew.html
Thanks for the help. I’m used to working with mac and I’m fairly sure the problem is not with the mac.
In midi setup the hdmi connection shows up marked as ‘T478’. So no problem with the ID of the NAD. The problem is the NAD is saying to my MAC it’s a 2.0 receiver.

I hooked up my old H/K 151S receiver with HDMI for testing and immediately I get the option to select 8 channels.

I’m running a mac mini mid 2011 with OSX 10.13.6. I already sent a message to NAD but I’ve not heard anything from them. Made a account on the NAD site and sent 2 messages. Is there a other way to contact them? Can’t find any email adress.

Looks like a receiver of 1500 euro can’t do the same as a receiver from 300 euro and I will not get any support from NAD for it.

Very disappointed with my first experience using NAD 😞
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Thanks for the help. I’m used to working with mac and I’m fairly sure the problem is not with the mac.
In midi setup the hdmi connection shows up marked as ‘T478’. So no problem with the ID of the NAD. The problem is the NAD is saying to my MAC it’s a 2.0 receiver.

I hooked up my old H/K 151S receiver with HDMI for testing and immediately I get the option to select 8 channels.

I’m running a mac mini mid 2011 with OSX 10.13.6. I already sent a message to NAD but I’ve not heard anything from them. Made a account on the NAD site and sent 2 messages. Is there a other way to contact them? Can’t find any email adress.

Looks like a receiver of 1500 euro can’t do the same as a receiver from 300 euro and I will not get any support from NAD for it.

Very disappointed with my first experience using NAD 😞

What happens if you Boot Camp Windows? Does it show up as more than 2 channels then?
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The speaker config and/or surround mode could be affecting this.
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The speaker config and/or surround mode could be affecting this.
I have 5.1 setup. All inputs are set on preset 1. Preset 1 has everything on “direct”. My apple tv works without a problem on dolby surround. I don’t see what could be wrong with the settings?
Can’t use bootcamp because windows won’t install on my mac mini. So can’t test it that way
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@richardsim7 sm, would you mind helping with my question a couple posts above if you have any experience in these matters please?

Have you got a 15dB boost on your sub?!


Also your measurements, you need to have sub only, speaker only, and combined measurements to figure out where's flattest but tbh the initial one looked fine, but it's hard to tell because of the ridiculous ski slope [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG]
The thing is, I didn’t make the ski jump! That is DIRAC FLAT calibration! I’d hate to see my room feel curve. Ran REW and eq subs twice into MiniDSP 2x4 HD and they are flat...then I put that sub reading to start a fresh Dirac calibration and both times I’ve done that the subs are 20-25 dB HIGHER then the Center channel post Dirac. I thought Dirac was supposed to level all the speakers. The folks in the REW thread don’t know why Dirac is doing that.

Here is my Dirac file below. Is there anything you can see wrong or suspicious or that I can do differently?

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Your mic can't be accurate if Dirac thinks that's flat
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Your mic can't be accurate if Dirac thinks that's flat
So the only solution is that it’s the mic?
It’s a Umik 1 and 90 degree calibration file.

I get all my readings from it in REW and the system sounds amazing but for some reason DIRAC boosts my sub by a lot but all the other speakers are great.

It works accurately when I’m in REW and eq my subs and put the PEQ filters into MiniDSP ...

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pre-out performance and monolith 5X

As I've upgraded my small bookshelf based system to a Polk Audio LSiM707 one, and I'm moving to a new, much larger space 5000 cuft), I plan to buy an amp to take the load off the 758.

I am looking at the Outlaw Model 5000 and Monolith 5X (way different price points I know, have the money for either so not sure how I'll make that decision.....), but I read that the pre-out performance of the NAD is a limiting factor for the external amplification - true?

I am fairly attuned to this stuff until I'm not, and here I am over my head. If anyone could enlighten me I'd appreciate it.

Thanks.

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So the only solution is that it’s the mic?
It’s a Umik 1 and 90 degree calibration file.

I get all my readings from it in REW and the system sounds amazing but for some reason DIRAC boosts my sub by a lot but all the other speakers are great.

It works accurately when I’m in REW and eq my subs and put the PEQ filters into MiniDSP ...
I'm not sure then. I would be curious to see if the mic measures accurately in other rooms.

Is the bass boost really there? Do you hear it?
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So the only solution is that it’️s the mic?
It’️s a Umik 1 and 90 degree calibration file.

I get all my readings from it in REW and the system sounds amazing but for some reason DIRAC boosts my sub by a lot but all the other speakers are great.

It works accurately when I’️m in REW and eq my subs and put the PEQ filters into MiniDSP ...
I'm not sure then. I would be curious to see if the mic measures accurately in other rooms.

Is the bass boost really there? Do you hear it?
. The bass sounds normal to me at the “elevated by 25-30 dB level” and sounds very absent when I try to level it off after the fact by putting my sub gain waaaay down (-25 to -30 vs -10 on my PC4000 pair).

How can I make sure the mic calibration is accurate?

It sounds right but people say it looks wrong or elevated sub
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. The bass sounds normal to me at the “elevated by 25-30 dB level” and sounds very absent when I try to level it off after the fact by putting my sub gain waaaay down (-25 to -30 vs -10 on my PC4000 pair).

How can I make sure the mic calibration is accurate?

It sounds right but people say it looks wrong or elevated sub

Post screenshots from your 2x4HD config screens, so we can see if you changed something in that.

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. The bass sounds normal to me at the “elevated by 25-30 dB levelâ€Â and sounds very absent when I try to level it off after the fact by putting my sub gain waaaay down (-25 to -30 vs -10 on my PC4000 pair).

How can I make sure the mic calibration is accurate?

It sounds right but people say it looks wrong or elevated sub

Post screenshots from your 2x4HD config screens, so we can see if you changed something in that.
It is config file 3 I use...

https://www.dropbox.com/s/ws5fw8z0zn...03%29.xml?dl=0

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As I've upgraded my small bookshelf based system to a Polk Audio LSiM707 one, and I'm moving to a new, much larger space 5000 cuft), I plan to buy an amp to take the load off the 758.



I am looking at the Outlaw Model 5000 and Monolith 5X (way different price points I know, have the money for either so not sure how I'll make that decision.....), but I read that the pre-out performance of the NAD is a limiting factor for the external amplification - true?



I am fairly attuned to this stuff until I'm not, and here I am over my head. If anyone could enlighten me I'd appreciate it.



Thanks.
Depends what you mean by limiting factor. In terms of power delivery, a preamp typically feeds a power amp 2v to 4v at unity gain (full volume basically). All amps will have a target input voltage to produce their rated output. If the preamp does not put out close to this amount, then yes if could limit your power amps ability to produce maximum gain. You should be able to surf down the max output of the NAD pre-out and compare that to the power amps rating. Some power amps will have a sensitivity setting to accommodate different preamps.

If you mean limiting in the sense of audio quality, I would say no. Any amp will only sound as good as the preamp, internal or external. Will a power amp that is better than the internal amps reveal more preamp deficiencies? Yeah, maybe.

I'm driving my front two channels with $8000 650w monoblocks amps fed by the NAD preouts. Sounds good to me, but I'm a geezer.

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You'll want to point it straight up and use the 90deg calibration file for your mic (download from the minidsp website).

I've experienced very mixed results, even with the same measurements making subtle changes to the target curve can make a big difference in the overall sound, even for frequencies that aren't touched. I just had to invest some time and play with it until I got a result I liked. Once you get it right, it's beautiful. The timing and imaging are great.

https://mehlau.net/audio/dirac-live-mic-levels/
Thanks. Got the 90-degree file and will give it a go in a few days.

Did you take measurements from multiple positions, as supported by the Dirac software?
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How to proper setup with REL Subwoofer

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I've been trying to proper setup my 5.1 with Dirac Live. I could use some help :-)
I got B&W CM8's ( 69HZ crossover ) as fronts. A Focal CC 800S (60 HZ crossover ) as center speaker and B&W CM1 ( 55HZ Crossover ) as surround. The subwoofer is a REL Strata 5.

The REL got a bit different way of connecting as normal subwoofers do. The have a LFE channel which is connected with a normal rca plug to the subwoofer out on the T758. But they also have a High input which you should connect to the front speaker output. REL states you should use the high input for the best results. And use the LFE only for 5.1. They say set your front speakers always to LARGE and set the crossover for the high input on the REL it self. This crossover has no effect on the LFE input.

To me this does not sound like the right way to go? Especially when I use Dirac live? That would mean my fronts get the full range signal which they clearly can't handdle?

Am I right to think I should not use the high input channel from the REL? And only use the LFE input?
And if I set the crossover on the NAD than everything under that would be sent to the REL trough the LFE channel right? So nothing is "lost"?

And my final question. Should I set my crossover before I run Dirac Live? Or after Dirac Live is done?

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Yeah ignore what REL say and only use the LFE input, and set your speakers to small

You can set your crossovers after running Dirac, here’s a guide: https://mehlau.net/audio/dirac-live-avr-crossover/
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Yeah ignore what REL say and only use the LFE input, and set your speakers to small

You can set your crossovers after running Dirac, here’s a guide: https://mehlau.net/audio/dirac-live-avr-crossover/
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With my CM8's I have the option to drive them Bi-amp. Got audioquest bedrock cable's to my speakers now. Spoke with my hifi guy from a local specialist store if I should use this cable for it. The bedrock has 4 cable's inside. It could be reconfigured.
He said it would be much better to get another set of bedrock's and drive the speakers that way. So with 2 bedrock's per speaker. Otherwise i would cut the amount of copper per channel in two.

I was wondering if someone uses the NAD Bi-amp possibility and if it makes a big difference? Getting a second pair of bedrock's is not really cheap.
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With my CM8's I have the option to drive them Bi-amp. Got audioquest bedrock cable's to my speakers now. Spoke with my hifi guy from a local specialist store if I should use this cable for it. The bedrock has 4 cable's inside. It could be reconfigured.
He said it would be much better to get another set of bedrock's and drive the speakers that way. So with 2 bedrock's per speaker. Otherwise i would cut the amount of copper per channel in two.

I was wondering if someone uses the NAD Bi-amp possibility and if it makes a big difference? Getting a second pair of bedrock's is not really cheap.

I'm sure you're using more than enough copper already, don't worry about it
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Ever looked at the wires inside your speakers running to the drivers? They aren't audioquest
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Haha I believe it’s not that simple with a audio cable. Anyway my speakers are modified by a hifi specialist. All the internal wires got upgraded. They allready sound much more even than original. But before we get to the old speaker wire discussion is there anybody actually using the bi-amp option of the T578? I wonder if it is any good
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I was wondering if someone uses the NAD Bi-amp possibility and if it makes a big difference? Getting a second pair of bedrock's is not really cheap.
Yes. I have

And yes, makes a difference: more airy highs and spacious soundstage. As always, subtle difference not obvious but present

Regarding my cables...well, normal ofc 12 AWG and very happy with them
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No, they're not. In the current KEF Reference series however, they are Nordost.


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No, they're not. In the current Reference series however, they are Nordost.

And the wires running to the voice coil?

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That, I don't know. They (KEF) only mention "internal wiring" is from Nordost.

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Anyone care to speculate when NAD will have an HDMI 2.1 card? Perhaps with more LFE's for the Dirac module? HDMI is pretty new but after CES, I'm sure we'll see more displays have them and also the next round of GPU's will as well.
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Thanks. Got the 90-degree file and will give it a go in a few days.

Did you take measurements from multiple positions, as supported by the Dirac software?
Multiple for sure, i did something like 7 or 9 positions using a cheap amazon mic stand. Only takes a few minutes and you only have to do it once, until you change something about your setup.
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Anyone have any experience with the new HIFI subscription of amazon music? Does it play on the NAD/bluesound? Is it comparable to TIDAL (but cheaper) in your opinion?

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Our NAD T758v3 was chosen best 2018-2019 receiver.


https://www.eisa.eu/awards/nad-t-758-v3/


Guys at Audio Science must be going nuts right now.
They will doubtless just smirk knowingly and joke about how clueless the audio press and the rest of us tin-earned sheeple are.

Cheers,
Robert
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