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I have also had a lot of problems with NAD M17, with the Storm until today no problems.
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So we tried to flash the firmware using the undocumented USB method. That didn't work. Then I received a 4GB image of the microSD card from Byrston. That couldn't be flashed. The unit isn't even initiating a flash.
A new unit will be sent out to me this week, I am hoping it will work a whole lot better.


I am hoping so too. Let's see if the new replacement unit works better.


Ouch! You are brave! I am very patient, but between all these issues that I have run into with these processors (first it was NAD M17 and now this one) in the last 4 months, I feel rather frustrated.


on the bright side, just getting a bad-luck-dead-processor seems better than getting a good one that just has a lot of inherent issues. At least Bryston customer service stepped up and isn’t mucking around and just replacing it
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Don't know if this will make you feel any better but hopefully it will at some level. Based on my experience with the SP4, and what appears to be others, I believe it to be an extremely solid piece that you will find many years of enjoyment with. I genuinely believe your current issue to be an isolated dose of bad luck. I purchased a Sony VPL-VW5000 in 2017 their $60k laser projector. One week after I had it the picture turned smurf BLUE and I mean the whole picture on every source. Long story short, after three months and several others experiencing the same, they determined they had put out a flawed firmware that there was no fix for and replaced all our projectors. I still have the replacement and have greatly enjoyed every time I turn it on. I guess what I'm saying is **** happens but I believe once this is remedied you will love the piece. Like my first 5000, I would just chalk this up to a bump in the road.

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PS On the bright side, I highly doubt this will take a 3 month solution.
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on the bright side, just getting a bad-luck-dead-processor seems better than getting a good one that just has a lot of inherent issues. At least Bryston customer service stepped up and isn’t mucking around and just replacing it
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Haha. Make sure you perform the oil changes carefully. I don't want you and your floor to be covered in oil! lmao
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Just looking for some feedback...

1. Any differences between the StormAudio and Bryston?

2. Any comments on the StormAudio vs. Acurus ACT 4?

3. While maybe not in features, does the StormAudio beat the Trinnov in sound quality? That's what I read a page or two back. Also, is it true the Altitude32 sounds better than the Altitude16? If so, why?
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Just looking for some feedback...

1. Any differences between the StormAudio and Bryston?

2. Any comments on the StormAudio vs. Acurus ACT 4?

3. While maybe not in features, does the StormAudio beat the Trinnov in sound quality? That's what I read a page or two back. Also, is it true the Altitude32 sounds better than the Altitude16? If so, why?


1. the 16 channel versions are identical, save for cosmetics

2. i’ve never heard Acurus, but the room eq costing an extra $2500 was a turn of for me

3. i don’t think Storm beats Trinnov. without eq, they actually sound very similar.

3b. I’ve never heard the Trin 32, so not sure if it’s better than the 16. i would guesss not.
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1. the 16 channel versions are identical, save for cosmetics

2. i’ve never heard Acurus, but the room eq costing an extra $2500 was a turn of for me

3. i don’t think Storm beats Trinnov. without eq, they actually sound very similar.

3b. I’ve never heard the Trin 32, so not sure if it’s better than the 16. i would guesss not.
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No, the Storm does not beat the Trinnov-32, they both play on a very high nevo. The Storn and Brysten differ only by the height of the case.
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Thanks.

What is the Digital AVB Edition? How does it differ from the Digital AES Edition? Also, what happened to the Reference Edition? If I click the link to it, it takes me back to the main page listing the different models. How does/did the Reference Edition differ from the Digital AES Edition and the Digital AVB Edition?



seems to be working now - my time with the sp4 was brief so I don't know much, but seems to be the outputs:




AVB Edition
32 channel AVB digital output (32-channel Audio over IP output board, based on AVB - AudioVideoBridging - standard)




AES Edition
32 channel AES/EBU digital output (RJ45)




Standard

32 channel XLR analog output
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Thanks.



What is the Digital AVB Edition? How does it differ from the Digital AES Edition? Also, what happened to the Reference Edition? If I click the link to it, it takes me back to the main page listing the different models. How does/did the Reference Edition differ from the Digital AES Edition and the Digital AVB Edition?
The Digital AVB Edition has the optional Audio Video Bridge output card included for network audio to AVB enabled amplifiers (or for example a QSC Q-sys core with an AVB io card).

The Digital AES Edition has the optional AES3 card included for digital audio out to digital input amplifier or audio processor like the QSC Q-sys core with AES3 cards.

Note: you can't have both AVB & AES option as they both occupy the same slot.

The reference edition is just a fully optioned ISP 32 with the AES option and 2nd Theater outputs etc...

The above 3 models are more targeted at custom installers.
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Also, is it true the Altitude32 sounds better than the Altitude16? If so, why?

I've owned the Altitude 16 & Now the Altitude 32, had them in the same room for a few weeks.

In a 16 channel Atmos/Dts:X/Auro setup they sound identical. The Altitude 32 pulls slightly ahead with music, only because it can process audio at 192/24 whereas the Altitude 16 is limited to 96/24.

Most people would not be able to hear a difference.
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At Trinnov-16, I felt like the curtain was in front of me, and I was not the only one who had the feeling. Trinnov-16 was the first out of the race
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In my limited exposure, the StormAudio ISP and Lyngdorf RP setups are quite simple to get great sound from after 30-60 mins setup/calibration.

Trinnov has a lot more going on. I'd be surprised if Trinnov could not sound just as good with proper calibration by an experienced user (let alone a pro calibrator). However, I think it is fair to say that the Altitudes also run the risk of less than perfect performance by a new user after a 30 min setup.
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I have a video here in German (48:10):

He also did this experience with Trinnov-16.
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I realize that HD/DVD Audio music and some concert blu-rays take advantage of 96 kHz sampling (native to the master), but do any of you have concerns that if 4k movies end up becoming available in 96 kHz and that you will be capped at 48 kHz due to the Storm platform design spec limitation? Is this spec cap a concern for those who wish to buy this processor for the long haul? Thoughts?

As was previously stated by Marc, Bryston may release a bypass module (with higher spec Dacs/higher kHz processing), but that will be for 2 channel audio and not for the large array of HT processing channels.

https://www.lifewire.com/dts-96-24-1846848

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All my tested BD movies/concerts/music etc. are 48Khz ONLY. I've yet to find a 96Khz variety.
What varies is the bit length, aka 16 or 24 or f.ex. 32 bits.
IMO bit length is way more important than having higher than 48khz frequency range.
Compare bit length to having a drawn line which is smoother at 32 than 24 where the 24 have more jagged/stepped lines.

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I do not think that you hear differences between 48/96/192 kHz.
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I understand this can be a very hot topic. I'm going to give my 2 cents and then leave it alone. In the last several years I have owned and used the following processors: Lexicon MC12B, Classe' CT-SSP, Marantz 8802a, Marantz 8805, Bryston SP4, Trinnov A16. IMO its like splitting hairs to say that any of them sound any better than the other. You will get excellent audio quality out of any and all of them. What is the ultimate determining factor for me is does the processor give you the flexibility to implement the AV system you'd like to, and does it do it well. By well I mean video switching, audio stability, audio codecs, manufacturer support, flexible configuration, upgradability.

Ultimately for me it's when I press the "ON" button do I obtain the expected result? The audio quality once you get to that result is awful hard to differentiate in my book.

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I don’t believe this link has been posted on this thread. Fairly informative...

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I understand this can be a very hot topic. I'm going to give my 2 cents and then leave it alone. In the last several years I have owned and used the following processors: Lexicon MC12B, Classe' CT-SSP, Marantz 8802a, Marantz 8805, Bryston SP4, Trinnov A16. IMO its like splitting hairs to say that any of them sound any better than the other. You will get excellent audio quality out of any and all of them. What is the ultimate determining factor for me is does the processor give you the flexibility to implement the AV system you'd like to, and does it do it well. By well I mean video switching, audio stability, audio codecs, manufacturer support, flexible configuration, upgradability.

Ultimately for me it's when I press the "ON" button do I obtain the expected result? The audio quality once you get to that result is awful hard to differentiate in my book.

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If you look at audio stability (e.g. HDMI handshake etc.) how did the SP4 perform compared with the others?

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If you look at audio stability (e.g. HDMI handshake etc.) how did the SP4 perform compared with the others?


Rock solid! I was very impressed. I tend to use the 8805 as a benchmark. I feel it’s not flashy but it just works. I’d say the SP4 was just as solid in the audio stability/HDMI categories.

I think when you add the far greater config flexibility of the SP4 to similar stable architecture of the 8805 its hard not to like!


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I have a video here in German (48:10): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nWtlIpttf6s

He also did this experience with Trinnov-16.
It is hard to tell, but if I understand his conclusions correctly he said that Storm kicked it out of the ballpark and he seemed to put the Storm on top of the whole shebang wrt. competition?
There are a few more intricate settings available on the Trinnov A32, though.
Was it something like this that I heard, or was it maybe what I wanted to hear?

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There are a few more intricate settings available on the Trinnov A32, though.
Was it something like this that I heard, or was it maybe what I wanted to hear?
Trinnov's Optimiser has a number of RC configuration features not found in Dirac, which afford the user/installer considerably more flexibility for a given install. All of them are easily audible.
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Is there a photo of the SP4 internals available somewhere?
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Thx a lot!
I was a bit surprised to learn that the weight of this huge beast is less than 29lbs.
I guess one reason is the use of SMPS.

My three immediate thoughts when I saw the pictures were;
1) Pretty packed
2) Layout looks orderly
3) Looks pretty easy to replace the HDMI board when HDMI 2.1 becomes available.

I also hope DTS X Pro will become available via a firmware upgrade.

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StormAudio's website states the following:

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16 channels immersive sound decoding and upmixing
Up to 32 channels post-processing
Does this mean that even if I have the 32-channel version, I still only get 16 channels of decoding and that the rest of the channels are matrixed from those 16 "native" channels (sort of like an upmixer)?
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Does this mean that even if I have the 32-channel version, I still only get 16 channels of decoding and that the rest of the channels are matrixed from those 16 "native" channels (sort of like an upmixer)?
Yes, because there's no consumer software/media that has more than 16 discrete channels. It also means though that you could run an entire second theater w/16 channels (if your first theater used 16) from the same box. We may well see various matrix/synthesis options in the future.

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Yes, because there's no consumer software/media that has more than 16 discrete channels. It also means though that you could run an entire second theater w/16 channels (if your first theater used 16) from the same box. We may well see various matrix/synthesis options in the future.
But doesn't "home" Dolby Atmos support up to 24.1.10? At least that is what I heard/read. Despite that, if there are panning objects in the mix, aren't they capable of utilizing any number of speakers?
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