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Thanks a lot. I might need heavy room correction - and given this set will last me the next decade is it worth springing for something better.

Any opinion on this receiver: https://www.amazon.ca/DENON-AVR-X360...48&sr=8-4&th=1

Is it worth upgrading to it assuming I'll need some advanced room correction?
If you have the budget for it, its a much better AVR. I wouldn't say its worth 3x the price just for the more advanced room correction but it also opens the door to up to 11 channel support down the road, among other things.
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If you have the budget for it, its a much better AVR. I wouldn't say its worth 3x the price just for the more advanced room correction but it also opens the door to up to 11 channel support down the road, among other things.
Is the 4k upscaling worth it? Will I notice better sound quality?

Given I will likely live in a condo for the foreseeable future 11 channels doesn't make sense - is it a waste of I'm limited to 5.1 (or may even need to downgrade to 2.1?
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Is the 4k upscaling worth it? Will I notice better sound quality?

Given I will likely live in a condo for the foreseeable future 11 channels doesn't make sense - is it a waste of I'm limited to 5.1 (or may even need to downgrade to 2.1?
The 4K upscaling feature of an AVR is for video signals being passed, not audio. A lot of owners don't use it because their source device or TV does upscaling equal to or better than the AVRs upscaling.

The Denon 3600H is a nine channel amp (which can be expanded to 11 channels with an external amp). If you're limited to 2.1 or 5.1, it just means you are not using the full surround capabilities but its debatable to call that a waste, since most AVRs have at least 7 channel support anyway. There are many other features of the 3600H that still may be worthwhile for you such as the more advanced room correction.
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Can't really find info on the Denon AVR-X1500H. It's $300.

A good A/V receiver? I will be coming from a Yamaha V673 that has its HDMI go bad.

I am mainly looking for getting Atmos/DTS-X sound with my setup - I have 5.1 and 2 ceilings in rear speakers.

I would like to have the enveloping sound - especially after room correction being applied. Thx!
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@wildviper it is similar to the nr686 from Onkyo but on paper has a little better room correction with audyssey xt.
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Can't really find info on the Denon AVR-X1500H. It's $300.

A good A/V receiver? I will be coming from a Yamaha V673 that has its HDMI go bad.

I am mainly looking for getting Atmos/DTS-X sound with my setup - I have 5.1 and 2 ceilings in rear speakers.

I would like to have the enveloping sound - especially after room correction being applied. Thx!
It's a 2018 model which is why you probably can't find info. It's a solid entry level AVR that checks your boxes.
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If you're a Costco member, this Yamaha is a solid receiver for $379, closer to the X2500H (IMO).

https://www.costco.com/yamaha-tsr-78...100456240.html

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Can't really find info on the Denon AVR-X1500H. It's $300.

A good A/V receiver? I will be coming from a Yamaha V673 that has its HDMI go bad.

I am mainly looking for getting Atmos/DTS-X sound with my setup - I have 5.1 and 2 ceilings in rear speakers.

I would like to have the enveloping sound - especially after room correction being applied. Thx!
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If you're a Costco member, this Yamaha is a solid receiver for $379, closer to the X2500H (IMO).

https://www.costco.com/yamaha-tsr-78...100456240.html
Downside of the TSR-7850 is that it can do front presence or overhead - but may not support the 'rear ceiling' speakers the OP has in place.
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Downside of the TSR-7850 is that it can do front presence or overhead - but may not support the 'rear ceiling' speakers the OP has in place.
He can assign the overheads to the rear ceiling pair. The Denon would be configured the same way, if only 2 ATMOS speakers are being used (5.1.2).
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Thank you all. I am little burned by Yamaha. Thought it would last and has just been about 5 years. So

One factor that is important is better room correction as - like many of us, my room is not ideal. So was leaning on the Audyssey MultiXT. Does the Onkyo room correction in the same ballpark as Denon's?
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Thank you all. I am little burned by Yamaha. Thought it would last and has just been about 5 years. So

One factor that is important is better room correction as - like many of us, my room is not ideal. So was leaning on the Audyssey MultiXT. Does the Onkyo room correction in the same ballpark as Denon's?
Onkyo is better in my experience. I have owned and presently own a unit with Audyssey XT32. It ruins the sound so I keep it off.
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Does the Onkyo room correction in the same ballpark as Denon's?

Many will say no, myself included.

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Denon AVR X3600H $880 at Amazon

Anyone still looking for the Denon AVR x3600h, it just dropped on Amazon yesterday to $880.

(Price seems to fluctuate a little, I set up a price alert at camelcamelcamel who notified me of the 880, but when I put it in my cart it was 900. Today, the price is again 880 so I cancelled and re-ordered to save $20.)

Now I just need to find a good 2 ch amp to bring this up to 11.4....

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Yamaha RX-A2080 AVENTAGE

I see Amazon has dropped the price on the Yamaha Aventage RX-A2080 again ... It's back at the $1150 Black Friday price. If $1150 is too much to bite off... they also offer the option of 5 monthly payments at $230 per month.

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I see Amazon has dropped the price on the Yamaha Aventage RX-A2080 again ... It's back at the $1150 Black Friday price. If $1150 is too much to bite off... they also offer the option of 5 monthly payments at $230 per month.
Functionally equivalent Yamaha RX-V2085 has been on sale for $799 (shipped) multiple times in the past 6 months.
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Functionally equivalent Yamaha RX-V2085 has been on sale for $799 (shipped) multiple times in the past 6 months.
True enough. No argument from me... even though there were some slight differences between the two models it was hard to argue the price difference. Six months ago if you snagged a 2085 for $799 that was a sweet deal... however... it was easier to find one 6 months ago than it is now. Especially at $799. Finding a new sealed box 2085 from and a reputable authorized distributor for $799 is getting pretty hard to find (if not impossible). The few 2085's currently available are priced in the same neighborhood as Amazons 2080 price of $1150. NET: I wasn't saying the Amazon price today is the deal of the century... I was just trying to make those who might be looking at the 2080 that Amazon had dropped the price and they offer a 5 month payment plan... which none of the few remaining dealers do.

Anyway, based on your reply it would appear I may have mislead readers of this forum saying Amazon had a good price today on the 2080. As such... please let everyone know where they can find the 2085 today that is new and readily available for the $799 you were so generous to suggest.

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True enough. No argument from me... even though there were some slight differences between the two models it was hard to argue the price difference. Six months ago if you snagged a 2085 for $799 that was a sweet deal... however... it was easier to find one 6 months ago than it is now. Especially at $799. Finding a new sealed box 2085 from and a reputable authorized distributor for $799 is getting pretty hard to find (if not impossible). The few 2085's currently available are priced in the same neighborhood as Amazons 2080 price of $1150. NET: I wasn't saying the Amazon price today is the deal of the century... I was just trying to make those who might be looking at the 2080 that Amazon had dropped the price and they offer a 5 month payment plan... which none of the few remaining dealers do.

Anyway, based on your reply it would appear I may have mislead readers of this forum saying Amazon had a good price today on the 2080. As such... please let everyone know where they can find the 2085 today that is new and readily available for the $799 you were so generous to suggest.
Guess my point is that prices fluctuate - RX-V2085 was selling for $799 as recently as 08/30 (Adorama); the RX-A2080 for $899 (B&H) two weeks ago.
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Im seriously considering the Denon 3600 for the new price but Ive been a yamaha user for almost 40 years and I just wonder if I could get used to the sound signature of Denon? I actually have no idea what that is so if someone could chime in on if they think a Yamaha man could find happiness with a Denon?
I was going for the Yamaha 2085 but it arrived in protection mode and had a number of issues. It was out to be fixed when the 2080 went on sale but of course after sale ends I find my Yamaha 2085 is not repairable. Full refund to me but the sale on 2080 is long gone. Holding my breath that it will go on sale under 1000 soon but Denon review from Audioholics on Youtube is hard to ignore.

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Im seriously considering the Denon 3600 for the new price but Ive been a yamaha user for almost 40 years and I just wonder if I could get used to the sound signature of Denon? I actually have no idea what that is so if someone could chime in on if they think a Yamaha man could find happiness with a Denon?

I was going for the Yamaha 2085 but it arrived in protection mode and had a number of issues. It was out to be fixed when the 2080 went on sale but of course after sale ends I find my Yamaha 2085 is not repairable. Full refund to me but the sale on 2080 is long gone. Holding my breath that it will go on sale under 1000 soon but Denon review from Audioholics on Youtube is hard to ignore.
I prefer Yamaha for music . Seems a little more natural for instruments and warmer sound. I prefer Denon for home theater. Sounds more neutral to my ears. If using Yamaha for 40 years it could take a little getting used to Denon.

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I prefer Yamaha for music . Seems a little more natural for instruments and warmer sound. I prefer Denon for home theater. Sounds more neutral to my ears. If using Yamaha for 40 years it could take a little getting used to Denon.

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Will be using new receiver for 80% movies and streaming so could you elaborate a bit more on why you prefer the Denon for home theater over the yamaha? Thanks and sorry for being such a pest but 40 years with one brand creates all kinds of horror thoughts as you prepare to leave your comfort zone for something different.

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Will be using new receiver for 80% movies and streaming so could you elaborate a bit more on why you prefer the Denon for home theater over the yamaha? Thanks and sorry for being such a pest but 40 years with one brand creates all kinds of horror thoughts as you prepare to leave your comfort zone for something different.
I found Yamaha to always make Male voices seems warmer not feminine but not quite cutting through the air like a Male voice should. Same with punches kicks and gunshots. I find the Denon to excel at really feeling those visceral sounds in a movie. Think explosions, fight scenes , crashes, glass breaking, etc.

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I found Yamaha to always make Male voices seems warmer not feminine but not quite cutting through the air like a Male voice should. Same with punches kicks and gunshots. I find the Denon to excel at really feeling those visceral sounds in a movie. Think explosions, fight scenes , crashes, glass breaking, etc.

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Do you think yamaha has a brighter sound signature than Denon? The reason Im upgrading is because I just bought a pair of polka LSIM 707s plus 706c center channel. Most say they need lots of power(86-87 sensitivity) so Im going for a receiver with pre outs and in the future I will be getting an outlaw amp for the front three channels. My yamaha 681 does work with new speakers but many have Told me I'm missing out on what these huge speakers can actually do. I realize the Yamaha 2080 has 140 watts and Denon 3600 has 105 but of course this is two channel driven so I don't think those watts in a 7 channel setup will sound much different between both amps but it sounds like the Denon has more punch and excitement for home theater. thanks again

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Do you think yamaha has a brighter sound signature than Denon? The reason Im upgrading is because I just bought a pair of polka LSIM 707s plus 706c center channel. Most say they need lots of power(86-87 sensitivity) so Im going for a receiver with pre outs and in the future I will be getting an outlaw amp for the front three channels. My yamaha 681 does work with new speakers but many have Told me I'm missing out on what these huge speakers can actually do. I realize the Yamaha 2080 has 140 watts and Denon 3600 has 105 but of course this is two channel driven so I don't think those watts in a 7 channel setup will sound much different between both amps but it sounds like the Denon has more punch and excitement for home theater. thanks again
I do think Yamaha has a brighter sound signature which is why I prefer it for music. I listen to a jazz, classical and classic rock. Yamaha excels with instruments IMO. I think the 3 channel amp will be a nice addition for LCR. I currently have the Denon 6500 running 7.1.4 using SVS PB ULTRA 16 as my subwoofer and 4 SVS Elevation speakers for Atmos. Using Energy Take TWR as left and right , Take FPS As my center and 4 Take LCR speakers for surround and back surrounds. I am still loving their sound 15 years layer. Good luck. Maybe find a store that takes returns without a restocking fee just in case you don't enjoy the Denon sound.

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I do think Yamaha has a brighter sound signature which is why I prefer it for music. I listen to a jazz, classical and classic rock. Yamaha excels with instruments IMO. I think the 3 channel amp will be a nice addition for LCR. I Sounds like you have an amazing system.Just looked up some minimum things on Energy take speakers which I never heard of before. Sounds like they got a lot of respect years ago. You are running a huge 140 watt Denon. Have you found that receiver gets really HOT compared to the yamaha that Ive always felt ran very cool. have the Denon 6500 running 7.1.4 using SVS PB ULTRA 16 as my subwoofer and 4 SVS Elevation speakers for Atmos. Using Energy Take TWR as left and right , Take FPS As my center and 4 Take LCR speakers for surround and back surrounds. I am still loving their sound 15 years layer. Good luck. Maybe find a store that takes returns without a restocking fee just in case you don't enjoy the Denon sound.

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Sounds like you have an amazing system.Just looked up some minimum things on Energy take speakers which I never heard of before. Sounds like they got a lot of respect years ago. You are running a huge 140 watt Denon. Have you found that receiver gets really HOT compared to the yamaha that Ive always felt ran fairly cool?

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Sounds like you have an amazing system.Just looked up some minimum things on Energy take speakers which I never heard of before. Sounds like they got a lot of respect years ago. You are running a huge 140 watt Denon. Have you found that receiver gets really HOT compared to the yamaha that Ive always felt ran fairly cool?
I do think that the Denon tends to run hotter than the Yamaha used to for certain.

I added an aircom, fan as you can see in the picture, just to give me peace of mind. Good $100 investment. My AV cabinet is not enclosed but I still want to take the heat directly out of the receiver

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When does Crutchfield have their big clearance sale? I got my Marantz 7012 last year for $1200, brand new and don't see any similar deals.


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When does Crutchfield have their big clearance sale? I got my Marantz 7012 last year for $1200, brand new and don't see any similar deals.


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@mattg3 I can confirm what @skylarlove1999 said only having heard a marantz 7702mkii with emotiva amps in a buddies theater as well as an old rx-a2000 in another buddies theater.



Just as a random thought, I have read that the pioneer vsx-lx503 and x3600 both have good amp sections so don't worry about that 105w channel rating. I think they both rock about 73w/ channel with 7 channels driven, so they should blow doors on the v681. If you need more power then a 3 channel amp should make those LsiM's sing!


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When does that typically happen?
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When does that typically happen?

Late spring-summer depending on model. Usually takes several months to sell out. In theory, the x3600h should go on clearance early/mid summer and the x4500h late summer for approx $600 and $900 respectively going by previous history. That's assuming that Denon still follows the yearly model change. The x4500h is hanging around at least 2 years this time.
The top of the line model generally hangs around 3 years, so It's got at least one more year after this summer.

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