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This may end up being wrong, but I read on (I believe) the Emotiva forums that Dolby is putting strict rules on up-mixing on Atmos, requiring that no up-mixer licensed from a 3rd party can be used on Atmos sound tracks. (So Emotiva could make their own but they can't allow use of Auro or DTS:X mixers on Atmos sound tracks as they are licensed from a 3rd party).

I can understand if they can prohibit further processing of a decoded Atmos track, but I can't see how they can prohibit the bitstream of the media to be run through another decoder.
If they do, then we will need processors without any Dolby at in them... doubt they will think that is a win... as it is now - they sell a license for every machine out there, no matter what reason the customer wants it for... They should relish the "competition" as it makes more money for them....

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A product page on the RMC-1 is now available on the Emotiva site.
(I may have missed it elsewhere, but the specs page does not mention Auro)

https://emotiva.com/products/rmc-1

Thanks. That makes it totally uninteresting for me then. I'll just have to cross my fingers that they will upgrade the software later on to handle it.

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I have been strictly an AVR guy to this point so sorry for the noob question and if this is the wrong thread. I’ve been considering going separates and have been hawking the RMC-1 for some time now. What would be the best route for amplification? Looking at the Emotiva site they have the XPA, but that only does 7 Channels of amplification. I’m looking to do the full 9.6
Actually, the XPA is configurable with 300 wpc mono and 75 wpc stereo modules. You can spec up to 7 modules per amp, so at least 3 3 wpc for the LCR, and 6 stereo ones for surround and Atmos.
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Actually, the XPA is configurable with 300 wpc mono and 75 wpc stereo modules. You can spec up to 7 modules per amp, so at least 3 3 wpc for the LCR, and 6 stereo ones for surround and Atmos.
Yep. I noticed that after I went back to the site. Thanks I’m dumb. 😂
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Actually, the XPA is configurable with 300 wpc mono and 75 wpc stereo modules. You can spec up to 7 modules per amp, so at least 3 3 wpc for the LCR, and 6 stereo ones for surround and Atmos.
Right, also configurable with a 650 Watt dual wide blade (the DR-1). You can’t mix with other blades (different chassis), but you can have up to three double wides for a DR-3 (450 WPC X 3), nice if your fronts warrant it.
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Some info coming out of CEDIA on the RMC-1 (I know ‘we’ve heard that before’), anyway some additional models, prices, and timelines announced (RMC-1 still $5000 and Nov 15), info on the expansion modules too.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...58-dolby-atmos
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Some info coming out of CEDIA on the RMC-1 (I know ‘we’ve heard that before’), anyway some additional models, prices, and timelines announced (RMC-1 still $5000 and Nov 15), info on the expansion modules too.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...58-dolby-atmos
Interesting there is going to be a RMC-2 at $3800... I am probably never going to go to a full atmos solution so this is something I will probably be more interested in.

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Interesting there is going to be a RMC-2 at $3800... I am probably never going to go to a full atmos solution so this is something I will probably be more interested in.
We won’t know for sure until the specs are posted, but I don’t think there will be much ‘lite’ about the RMC-2 (mostly expansion). You’ll be ‘limited’ to 9.1.6 ... but that’s as full an Atmos as most people will ever do. Yes, great price for the features, though likely the last of the new units to be released (RMC-1, XMC-2, RMC-2).

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We won’t know for sure until the specs are posted, but I don’t think there will be much ‘lite’ about the RMC-2 (mostly expansion). You’ll be ‘limited’ to 9.1.6 ... but that’s as full an Atmos as most people will ever do. Yes, great price for the features, though likely the last of the new units to be released (RMC-1, XMC-2, RMC-2).
A 9.1.6 is all I am ever going to need unless I win the lottery & build a dedicated theater area...
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A 9.1.6 is all I am ever going to need unless I win the lottery & build a dedicated theater area...


I will probably also stop at 9.1.6 or maybe 9.2.6. I’m stuck at 9.1.4 now with the Arcam 550 so I’m still looking at this unit though. Atmos should be worth the upgrade.
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I'm wired for 9.3.6 plus 5 Auro heights and a VOG speaker. Emotiva said Auro is very unlikely at this point due to lack of interest. I'm planning on getting SpeakerPower amps for the subs so they can be Daisy chained with their own time alignment. So, 9.1.6 is all I really need. Having said that a 4 channel subwoofer add-on would be pretty cool and if they end up doing Auro I could use the 16th channel for VOG. So I'm conflicted. Do I get the RMC-2 as it would be adequate or spring for the RMC-1 with it's potential for more. I also wonder, if the RMC-1 has more computing power, maybe it has more potential for Unison vs just DIRAC 2.0 on the RMC-2????? Don't know. That would differentiate the two products.

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I will probably also stop at 9.1.6 or maybe 9.2.6. I’m stuck at 9.1.4 now with the Arcam 550 so I’m still looking at this unit though. Atmos should be worth the upgrade.
It’s the 9.2.6 that takes you over the top to the RMC-1. If you’re ok with using a Y from a single sub out to Dual subwoofers then you can save money with the RMC-2. If you truly want stereo subs, or dual distance/phase/time aligned subs with 9.2.6 that will push you into the RMC-1 and probably a sub module. When you follow it through an RMC-1 could cost close to $2000 more, $1200 for the unit plus $700 or so for the channel expansion module (who’s use justifies the need for the RMC-1).

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... So, 9.1.6 is all I really need. Having said that a 4 channel subwoofer add-on would be pretty cool and if they end up doing Auro I could use the 16th channel for VOG. So I'm conflicted. Do I get the RMC-2 as it would be adequate or spring for the RMC-1 with it's potential for more. I also wonder, if the RMC-1 has more computing power, maybe it has more potential for Unison vs just DIRAC 2.0 on the RMC-2????? Don't know. That would differentiate the two products. ...
Nick at Emotiva said the following at CEDIA ...
“The plan is to have the RMC-1 and the RMC-2 live together at the same time. The RMC-2 has no expansion module bays so it can't scale up to more channels like the RMC-1 can plus there are some technical specs too that make the RMC-1 more powerful, so it isn't just a small RMC-1.”

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I’m stuck at 9.1.4 now with the Arcam 550
The Arcam 550 supports wides with Dirac Live as of now? I thought it was limited to 7.1.4.
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The Arcam 550 supports wides with Dirac Live as of now? I thought it was limited to 7.1.4.


My bad, I was thinking 7.1.4. Hence the interest for the Emotiva.

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Can anyone please indicate whether front wide speakers should be the same as the existing left and right (with respect to make, model and power)?

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Can anyone please indicate whether front wide speakers should be the same as the existing left and right (with respect to make, model and power)?
Short answer is that it would be ideal, but not required. Anything from the same manufacturer (in the same product line is preferable) "should" work. Most companies have the same design philosophy for all their products so they should sound similar for the most part. There is little content in the surround channels (anything other than the LCR and sub) relative to the LCR speakers. In music it may be more critical to have precise timbre in all channels, but for movies it is not quite as critical. If your AVR or pre-pro has any kind of auto-calibration system it should narrow the differences even further.

My front wides and rear speakers are Infinity P363 towers I bought for $100 each brand new. They have no problems keeping up with my Revel LCRs (which are many magnitudes more expensive) in both SPL and sound quality when used as surround channels. The Revels are driven by an external amp while the remaining 6 surround speakers are running off a Denon AVR. I can't tell if there is any sound quality difference when the sound in movies are panning from the LCR to the surrounds. I only listen to 2CH music so I can't tell you if there is a difference in MCh music or not. I have a few MCh concert Blu-rays which I've watched a few times and didn't detect any disconnects in sounds across the channels.
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Short answer is that it would be ideal, but not required. Anything from the same manufacturer (in the same product line is preferable) "should" work. Most companies have the same design philosophy for all their products so they should sound similar for the most part. There is little content in the surround channels (anything other than the LCR and sub) relative to the LCR speakers. In music it may be more critical to have precise timbre in all channels, but for movies it is not quite as critical. If your AVR or pre-pro has any kind of auto-calibration system it should narrow the differences even further.

My front wides and rear speakers are Infinity P363 towers I bought for $100 each brand new. They have no problems keeping up with my Revel LCRs (which are many magnitudes more expensive) in both SPL and sound quality when used as surround channels. The Revels are driven by an external amp while the remaining 6 surround speakers are running off a Denon AVR. I can't tell if there is any sound quality difference when the sound in movies are panning from the LCR to the surrounds. I only listen to 2CH music so I can't tell you if there is a difference in MCh music or not. I have a few MCh concert Blu-rays which I've watched a few times and didn't detect any disconnects in sounds across the channels.
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IMAX Enhanced

Will RMC-1 support IMAX Enhanced ?
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Will RMC-1 support IMAX Enhanced ?
Since it was only announced about a month ago and the last I read they hadn’t even published the certification requirements I’d be comfortable saying no. Here’s what CNET wrote on 9/10/2018:

Companies will submit their higher-performing gear to get certified. It will need to pass some as-yet unannounced performance criteria to claim Imax Enhanced compatibility. Expect to see TVs, projectors, receivers and other A/V gear.

Whether it can be added with firmware or an expansion module is something only Emotiva could answer, but I doubt they’d be going after any ‘certifications’, that hasn’t been their style.

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Since it was only announced about a month ago and the last I read they hadn’t even published the certification requirements I’d be comfortable saying no. Here’s what CNET wrote on 9/10/2018:

Companies will submit their higher-performing gear to get certified. It will need to pass some as-yet unannounced performance criteria to claim Imax Enhanced compatibility. Expect to see TVs, projectors, receivers and other A/V gear.

Whether it can be added with firmware or an expansion module is something only Emotiva could answer, but I doubt they’d be going after any ‘certifications’, that hasn’t been their style.

If the minor DTS: X upgrade of a semi- Center Height speaker output (the sound comes out of the front center and the Center Height or both front overhead speakers in order to phantom somewhere in the middle, though, it is anyone's guess as to how noticeable this extra audio will be in the grand scheme of things) is not tied to IMAX Enhanced branding, then there is no reason this processor couldn't add this feature in some way or other. These DTS: X tracks will still play at a maximum of a standard 7.1.4 layout if you don't have the "special DTS sauce" for their brand of 7.1.5.



The other thing is HDR10+ pass-through, which is not tied specifically to the IMAX Enhanced program (it is an option; HDR10 is still the minimum HDR format required like any UHD Blu-ray disc), but that is based on the capabilities of the included HDMI chipsets and whether they can be upgraded or not.


Everything else IMAX Enhanced related has to do with how they transfer and master the video, mix the soundtrack, and whether your TV has the IMAX tone mapping and PQ mode included. Basically, those parts are out of Emotiva's hands and nothing to do with their processor.

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If the minor DTS: X upgrade of a semi- Center Height speaker output (the sound comes out of the front center and the Center Height or both front overhead speakers in order to phantom somewhere in the middle, though, it is anyone's guess as to how noticeable this extra audio will be in the grand scheme of things) is not tied to IMAX Enhanced branding, then there is no reason this processor couldn't add this feature in some way or other. These DTS: X tracks will still play at a maximum of a standard 7.1.4 layout if you don't have the "special DTS sauce" for their brand of 7.1.5.

The other thing is HDR10+ pass-through, which is not tied specifically to the IMAX Enhanced program (it is an option; HDR10 is still the minimum HDR format required like any UHD Blu-ray disc), but that is based on the capabilities of the included HDMI chipsets and whether they can be upgraded or not.

Everything else IMAX Enhanced related has to do with how they transfer and master the video, mix the soundtrack, and whether your TV has the IMAX tone mapping and PQ mode included. Basically, those parts are out of Emotiva's hands and nothing to do with their processor.
Well if the list below is accurate it might be a possibility, I believe Emotiva is using the same HDMI chipset as Marantz (at least their better models). I imagine in a couple years everyone will be clamoring for a new HDMI board to do something new.

Happy to see my 900F is on the list, though I’ll have to wait and see if I really care or not.

I used to do two centers in parallel above and below the screen, loved the phantom image placement. I’m using a single (better) center now below the screen, dialog is improved, but I slightly miss that it doesn’t come smack out of the middle of the screen anymore.

IMAX Enhanced certified products
Sony:
A1/A1E OLED
A8F/AF8 OLED
A9F/AF9 OLED
X900F/XF90 LCD
Z9F/ZF9 LCD

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VPL-VW295ES
VPL-VW385ES
VPL-VW675ES
VPL-VW695ES
VPL-VW885ES
VPL-VW995ES
VPL-VZ1000ES
VPL-VW5000ES
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SR6013 – firmware update (January 2019)
SR7013 – firmware update (January 2019)
AV7705 – firmware update (January 2019)
AV8805 – firmware update (October 2018)
Denon
AVR-X4500H – new model
AVR-X6500H – new model
AVC-X8500H – firmware update (October 2018)

Edit: Should have just linked the page: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1536561166

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