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Smile Which one should i get ? RX A870 vs Marantz SR6012 vs Onkyo TX-RZ810

Hi guys,
Really confused. i have shortlisted 3 avrs. RX A870 vs Marantz SR6012 vs Onkyo TX-RZ810.
I was using marantz 5008 for last 3 years, and sold because it started to had strange static noise issue, tried to repair multiple time but issue was continuous. so sold.

In speakers i have Klipsch RF62II full 5.1 set.

So now i am thinking to go for new one. I am bit confused between yamaha vs marantz vs onkyo. all 3 are in more or less same price point. marantz is bit over for my budget, but i am still thinking it as i am getting it same price as the rest of 2 so thats why ive took it in compassion.

Any opinions guys?
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The 6012, on paper at least is the most competent AVR out of the 3.

It's also the one I would choose.

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Buy the Marantz.

I would never recommend any Onkyo considering the well documented quality issues they have had in recent years with their HDMI hardware.

Packing a lot of sound into a small room.
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Buy the Marantz.

I would never recommend any Onkyo considering the well documented quality issues they have had in recent years with their HDMI hardware.
Amen- I bought a Denon 4200 a couple years ago after going through Onkyo hell. It's been flawless so far and of course now obsoleted by the 4300 for which there are some great deals as it soon will be supplanted by the 4400. Remember Marantz & Denon are kissin cousins.

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Yamaha will sound good with little power

Marantz will sound ok with little power

Onkyo will sound good with good power.

Marantz has the most channels but definitely the worst in the bunch in sound quality. With klipsch though the Marantz will help tone them down. Since the Marantz is easily the least dynamic sounding.

Why not look and newer onkyo or pioneer elite?

Rz810 is a older model.

If you only need 7ch get Yamaha 1070

9ch get onkyo rz1100, Yamaha 2070 or integra drx7

11 ch get onkyo rz3100, integra r1 or Yamaha 3070.

Pioneer 701,801 and 901 are a upgrade over Marantz and denon. Maybe the Marantz 7011 or denon 6300 is close to Yamaha 2070 or onkyo 1100. Only buy from d&m if it's a huge sale. They heavily discount their products and have the biggest markup. They have to to compete. Marantz 6012 is designed for 9 satellites and 2 subs. It'll run very hot and distort to easy with real speakers.
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Marantz has the most channels but definitely the worst in the bunch in sound quality.
In what way? Do you mean it has the worst room-correction software? Or something else?
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Yamaha will sound good with little power

Marantz will sound ok with little power

Onkyo will sound good with good power.

Marantz has the most channels but definitely the worst in the bunch in sound quality. With klipsch though the Marantz will help tone them down. Since the Marantz is easily the least dynamic sounding.

Why not look and newer onkyo or pioneer elite?

Rz810 is a older model.

If you only need 7ch get Yamaha 1070

9ch get onkyo rz1100, Yamaha 2070 or integra drx7

11 ch get onkyo rz3100, integra r1 or Yamaha 3070.

Pioneer 701,801 and 901 are a upgrade over Marantz and denon. Maybe the Marantz 7011 or denon 6300 is close to Yamaha 2070 or onkyo 1100. Only buy from d&m if it's a huge sale. They heavily discount their products and have the biggest markup. They have to to compete. Marantz 6012 is designed for 9 satellites and 2 subs. It'll run very hot and distort to easy with real speakers.
So not the Pioneer 901 for 11 channel? It is a receiver you don't hear much on.
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To me audyssey is the worst room eq. It does the most to get to flatter sound. Takes all the excitement and edge out of a receiver. Marantz can sound good if you go into manual eq and do it yourself. That marantz 6011 shares similar dac and power supply as many sub $500 avrs. That marantz you are paying for xt32 and 9chs.

Now if you go to 7011 it has better power and akm4458 dac. Still though onkyo rz810 has Better power supply and same dac. Fwiw even a $300 onkyo has same akm 4458 dac.

Here's a list of receivers
Power-onkyo, integra and pioneer
Most dynamic- onkyo, integra, Yamaha
Best reliability- Yamaha, pioneer, onkyo
Best with movies- onkyo or integra
Best with music- Yamaha, marantz, onkyo/integra

Onkyo and integra are the most detailed avrs on the market. Huge sound for movies and very immersive. Yamaha is very close. I like the better pioneer elite but they are a little softer sounding but have great power. So something like a pio 801 or 901 sounds like a marantz with more power. Also the pio and Yamaha use ess sabre dacs. Which sound very clean.

I'll close with this; denon and marantz are ok products and for right price I'd use them. Just there is always something better for same price. I bought a denon 4200 for $400 used. That was worth it. I bought a marantz 7010 used for $800. That was worth it. Both those are now sold and I just bought to test. My Yamaha 3060, integra r1, onkyo rz1100 and pio 801 embarrassed the denon 4200 and marantz 7010.
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Here's a list of receivers
Power-onkyo, integra and pioneer
Most dynamic- onkyo, integra, Yamaha
Best reliability- Yamaha, pioneer, onkyo
Best with movies- onkyo or integra
Best with music- Yamaha, marantz, onkyo/integra

Onkyo and integra are the most detailed avrs on the market.
You really should qualify many of the statements above as you own personal opinion.

Most dynamic - that's an opinion
Best reliability - Onkyo? really? Again an opinion.
Best with movies - Onkyo/Integra may be OK as long as the HDMI board is functioning. Once again this is your opinion.
Best with music - Your own opinion.

Onkyo/Integra are the most detailed AVRs on the market? That may be your personal opinion, but I would disagree.
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Packing a lot of sound into a small room.
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You really should qualify many of the statements above as you own personal opinion.

Most dynamic - that's an opinion
Best reliability - Onkyo? really? Again an opinion.
Best with movies - Onkyo/Integra may be OK as long as the HDMI board is functioning. Once again this is your opinion.
Best with music - Your own opinion.

Onkyo/Integra are the most detailed AVRs on the market? That may be your personal opinion, but I would disagree.
Guys important part forgetting about is budget, ideally i was preferring to in between $600-$1000. I saw Marantz 6011 from last year costing about $999. that is way it was falling in my budget while yamaha and onkyo are also under $1000.

Pioneer Elite starting new model is lx501 which is also at $999. LX302? is it as good as the new line? As they are also including LX302 in Elite series. Also will pioneer sound well with Klipsch RF62?

Pioneer elite had good reviews in amazon, but mostly all of them are above $1000.

Marantz was good, i still have marantz PM6005 integrated amp hooked currently to klipsch towers, they are going wery well. But i had terreble experience with Marantz AVR. as even multiple times giving to service centers they could not able to resolve the static noise issue. It was increasing as the receiver going hotter. Had to sell finally. Thats why i was looking and asking openions for better options, instead of Marantz.

Anyhow, the Marantz 6011 is 9CH. while rest of all we compared are 7.2 ch. Yamaha 870, Onkyo 810 and Pioneer lx501 or 302. Still cant actually make mind, I went to audition for onkyo today, but he played against Anthem. Anthem was better. But onkyo was good too comparing to price, but he was dealer of only 2 brands so could not do side by side compare.
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Don't forget that last year's receivers are substantially discounted (while they're still available) when their replacements come out.

Also, Accessories4less sells refurbished equipment at a substantial discount, too.
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If you pm me I'll tell you better prices for all those.

Also of course these are all opinions on avs. That goes without saying.

I'm just giving my assessment on the hundreds of avrs I test.

Anthem isn't bad just way overpriced. A onkyo rz1100 is better then anthem 1120.
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If you pm me I'll tell you better prices for all those.

Also of course these are all opinions on avs. That goes without saying.

I'm just giving my assessment on the hundreds of avrs I test.

Anthem isn't bad just way overpriced. A onkyo rz1100 is better then anthem 1120.
In your opinion. In my experience my Anthem 720 sounds better than the RZ Onkyo that I returned.
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What onkyo rz did you return? Rz900, rz1100 than I had and own both sounded better then anthem mrx1120. 1120 I returned
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what onkyo rz did you return? Rz900, rz1100 than i had and own both sounded better then anthem mrx1120. 1120 i returned
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Compare brands, features, specs..
However if reliability is important go with Yamaha..
Yamaha has been #1 for the last 7 years..

Just my $0.02...
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I sold my rz900.

Mrx720 isn't a bad avr but that's a huge step down in power. Hope you have power amp or efficient speakers.
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I sold my rz900.

Mrx720 isn't a bad avr but that's a huge step down in power. Hope you have power amp or efficient speakers.
Where did you get this info?
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Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 135.5 watts
1% distortion at 167.8 watts
Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 70.5 watts
1% distortion at 78.6 watts
Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 69.6 watts ? Front Left
1% distortion at 77.5 watts ? Front Left
0.1% distortion at 36.8 watts ? Surround Back Left
1% distortion at 51.7 watts ? Surround Back Left
Analog frequency response in No Processing mode:


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Two channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 176.1 watts
1% distortion at 199.5 watts

Five channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 130.4 watts
1% distortion at 163.9 watts

Seven channels driven continuously into 8-ohm loads:
0.1% distortion at 117.2 watts
1% distortion at 135.3 watts

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Two bench tests. That's anthem mrx 1120 vs onkyo rz900.

So the mrx720 is even a bigger difference.
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Guys important part forgetting about is budget, ideally i was preferring to in between $600-$1000. I saw Marantz 6011 from last year costing about $999. that is way it was falling in my budget while yamaha and onkyo are also under $1000.
Audyssey MultEQ XT32 on the Marantz SR6011 is arguably one of the top AVR EQ programs available .... praised by thousands of owners and certainly much better than the XT version on your SR5008.
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Two bench tests. That's anthem mrx 1120 vs onkyo rz900.

So the mrx720 is even a bigger difference.
Haven't seen 720 bench test. It is rated same as 1120.

I like Onkyo. Have the 656 is a secondary system. Onkyo usually has a powerful sound but lack in upper end detail (IMO).
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720 is probably similar to bench test of 1120. Does have smaller power supply. If I was guessing I'd say. 125-130x2. 65-70x5. 45-55x7.

Anthem mrx1120 I had was nice and did have good detail. Was just to expensive at $3500. It's really a $1500 avr. After a bunch of rew and custom eq my onkyo rz1100 and integra r1 have just as much detail with more impact and much more power. Again just my opinion

Also the Yamaha 3060 is very good as well and I liked it better then anthem as well. The 1120 had many issues with 4k and hdr. Arc was a nightmare too.

I will be looking at next generation anthem though.

For the op I'd buy a onkyo or Yamaha. Marantz is way to much money and xt32 is WAY overrated and a crutch for to many people to not learn how to setup a system.
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Hay guys sorry for my absence, was really busy with work so could not check the thread and products recommended by you guys.

Anyhow, after going through thread, i think i am making my mind between Yamaha and Marantz.
So Yamaha 1070 vs Marantz 6012.

Now ive called a local dealer, the Marantz 6012 is little costlier but he has one unit available which is without warranty imported piece i think. So he agreed to give me at same cost as yamaha 1070. So i confused now. as many other thread, users complained for Marantz's hdmi crapped out. While in this very thread you guys also recommended for Yamaha.

So which one should i go for? I mean i dont understand how much i am giving up with 7.2 ch. against 9.2 ch marantz in terms of atmos, or technical possibility? Ive heard so many reviews of yamaha 1060 & 70, but didnt find any better reviews for marantz.

Also if i am going with marantz i am going without warranty, so is it worth it? or yamaha is enough for long run?

thank you guys.
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Out of those two my choice would be the Yamaha. I would not consider the Marantz without a warranty. You may need to find a different dealer. Why would they sell you the Marantz without any kind of warranty? That is a new model. Go somewhere else if you have to to get the Marantz you want. With that Marantz with a warranty then it would be IMO the one to get between the 1070 Yamaha and the Marantz. I say this being a big Yamaha fan. I feel that the Marantz would be equal to the Yamaha 2070 over the 1070.
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If you only need 7ch get the Yamaha 1070.

The 1070 is better in my testing then even the Marantz 7010 and denon 4200.

If you want 9 or 11ch get a Yamaha 2070 or 3070. Or even better get the onkyo 920, 1100 or 3100.

The Marantz 6012 has a cheaper dac and amp then all others mentioned. Honestly the 6012 is closer to a onkyo 6 Series in power and sound.
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Hay guys sorry for my absence, was really busy with work so could not check the thread and products recommended by you guys.

Anyhow, after going through thread, i think i am making my mind between Yamaha and Marantz.
So Yamaha 1070 vs Marantz 6012.

Now ive called a local dealer, the Marantz 6012 is little costlier but he has one unit available which is without warranty imported piece i think. So he agreed to give me at same cost as yamaha 1070. So i confused now. as many other thread, users complained for Marantz's hdmi crapped out. While in this very thread you guys also recommended for Yamaha.

So which one should i go for? I mean i dont understand how much i am giving up with 7.2 ch. against 9.2 ch marantz in terms of atmos, or technical possibility? Ive heard so many reviews of yamaha 1060 & 70, but didnt find any better reviews for marantz.

Also if i am going with marantz i am going without warranty, so is it worth it? or yamaha is enough for long run?

thank you guys.

The SR6012 uses the same 32bit DAC as do last year's Marantz SR7011 and Denon X4300H vs. the 24bit DAC on the A1070; however, without a warranty or some assurance from the vendor that he would at least self warranty the unit for 1 year ... tough decision vs. a 3 year warranty on the A1070. Perhaps you can find an "authorized" Marantz dealer in your region who would then be able to sell you a unit with a warranty?
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That?s right 6011 had lower quality dacs and 6012 upgrades them. Still 6012 amp section is below adequate
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I was going through to amazon for 4+ star receivers, and found Sony 1080. It has 4+ star on amazon and whathifi, crutchfield, cnet. Its 100w per ch. i think. And costs average about $490. Any experience for the receiver? not going down from my previous choice just trying to save if its actually good.
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