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I personally feel if you bring Chad B out for a surround sound calibration which take's him around 8 hours, I think most receiver's are capable of many different sounds, certainly a sound most would appreciate.
Ha, I reckon that will cost more than a case of whisky... even the flight alone will cost more than the amp
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Thank you jdsmoothie, I will take a look over the Denon X8500 instead. Its an big improvement over my 4311?
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Not sure about "big" improvement, but certainly more features to include Atmos/DTS:X/Auro 3D/4k/Dolby Vision/HLG.
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why not marantz sr 8012 in cinema samething and for music denon 8500 is back and you save money ,the little différence from denon is plus 2 chanels and eventually 2.1 and prépar for problem,some company have not finish whit hdmi and dolby vision and hdr and hdr + and if wont put 2.1 .


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why not marantz sr 8012 in cinema samething and for music denon 8500 is back and you save money ,the little différence from denon is plus 2 chanels and eventually 2.1 and prépar for problem,some company have not finish whit hdmi and dolby vision and hdr and hdr + and if wont put 2.1 .


NO for me is 8012 is the best for now .
Did I miss something? Isn't Dolby Vision support the exact same for the two companies? The 2016 and 2017 models now have it and the 2015 models will get it this summer...or have the Marantz xx10 models (the 2015 models) already gotten DV passthrough support?

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Ha, I reckon that will cost more than a case of whisky... even the flight alone will cost more than the amp
Ya never know, looks like you are in Australia? I bet Chad would love a visit lol
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Did I miss something? Isn't Dolby Vision support the exact same for the two companies? The 2016 and 2017 models now have it and the 2015 models will get it this summer...or have the Marantz xx10 models (the 2015 models) already gotten DV passthrough support?
No, the 2015 D+M models are still waiting.
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Any noticeable differences between the Marantz 8012 and Denon 6400? Looking at the specs, they seem almost identical.

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Any noticeable differences between the Marantz 8012 and Denon 6400? Looking at the specs, they seem almost identical.

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TIA
Haven't seen any comparable reviews; however, as is generally the case .. the Marantz is likely the better choice for serious 2CH music listening,
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I try 6400 is good but you cant speak is same ,the 6400 is equal to 7012 ,we have big differance whit 6400 and 8012 ,you not shur go to store and try each and you see for shur.


I try to 8500 and whit 11 chanels the marantz in cinéma is same to 8012 ,normaly 8500 whit 13 chanels need more power that why I see the différence when the 8500 running whit 13 chanels ,that why I buy 8012 whit toroidal amplifier have mutch power and for music the 8012 is the best.
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Joining the club! Ordered mine today and should be here by weeks end. Looks like I'll be busy this weekend! My first Marantz, have had Denon and Yamaha (actually replacing a Yamaha 3050) and will be running a 5.1.4 set up (might eventually add a center SB at some point).
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Joining the club! Ordered mine today and should be here by weeks end. Looks like I'll be busy this weekend! My first Marantz, have had Denon and Yamaha (actually replacing a Yamaha 3050) and will be running a 5.1.4 set up (might eventually add a center SB at some point).
Congrats! Just curious...what finally steered you to the 8012 and away from the 8500? From what I've read/seen between the two threads, it's distilled down to two things. Those that value 13 channels and more specifically wides chose the 8500 Those that value sound quality/signature chose the 8012. My assumption is MSRP is not a factor as those that have the budget for the 8012 could just as easily budget for the 8500.

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Congrats! Just curious...what finally steered you to the 8012 and away from the 8500? From what I've read/seen between the two threads, it's distilled down to two things. Those that value 13 channels and more specifically wides chose the 8500 Those that value sound quality/signature chose the 8012. My assumption is MSRP is not a factor as those that have the budget for the 8012 could just as easily budget for the 8500.
I run a 5.1.4 set up (may eventually add a center SB) due to room layout amoung other reasons so the 13 channels were really a non-factor for me. Honestly the thing that kept the 8500 in the running is the 2.1 upgrade path but after giving it much thought if I ended up with equipment that needed 2.1 then the display would have eARC so the "need" for 2.1 would be realistically years down the road so it became a moot point. Save money and get the 8012. I'm perfectly content with my decision.
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I run a 5.1.4 set up (may eventually add a center SB) due to room layout amoung other reasons so the 13 channels were really a non-factor for me. Honestly the thing that kept the 8500 in the running is the 2.1 upgrade path but after giving it much thought if I ended up with equipment that needed 2.1 then the display would have eARC so the "need" for 2.1 would be realistically years down the road so it became a moot point. Save money and get the 8012. I'm perfectly content with my decision.
I'm not sure what you mean by "2.1 upgrade" (as distinguished from all of the 8500's improvements), but the SR8012 does include features for optimizing stereo audio. See, for example, page 237, which describes the "2ch Playback" settings which are available when "Stereo" Sound Mode is selected. It provides settings which can be applied separately from those used for multichannel surround sound.

These are the same "2ch Playback" settings which are provided by the AVR-X8500H and the AV-8805. See page 244 of the 8500's owner's manual.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "2.1 upgrade" (as distinguished from all of the 8500's improvements), but the SR8012 does include features for optimizing stereo audio. See, for example, page 237, which describes the "2ch Playback" settings which are available when "Stereo" Sound Mode is selected. It provides settings which can be applied separately from those used for multichannel surround sound.

These are the same "2ch Playback" settings which are provided by the AVR-X8500H and the AV-8805. See page 244 of the 8500's owner's manual.
Sorry, should have been clear...HDMI 2.1.

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I run a 5.1.4 set up (may eventually add a center SB) due to room layout amoung other reasons so the 13 channels were really a non-factor for me. Honestlythe thing that kept the 8500 in the running is the 2.1 upgrade path but after giving it much thought if I ended up with equipment that needed 2.1 then the display would have eARC so the "need" for 2.1 would be realistically years down the road so it became a moot point. Save money and get the 8012. I'm perfectly content with my decision.
This is not a showstopper for me either as it will more than likely be a few years before HDMI 2.1 has any real world impact as manufacturers will need the time to implement and for the standard to actually mature to the point where it's plug and play in terms of being bug free and universally compatible.
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you lose nothing whit they sr 8012 ,is strong power and for music the 8012 is better ,the différence whit the 8500 is only plus 2 chanels and 2.1 eventually whit first time mutch problems before fixed.


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you lose nothing whit they sr 8012 ,is strong power and for music the 8012 is better ,the différence whit the 8500 is only plus 2 chanels and 2.1 eventually whit first time mutch problems before fixed.


give your impression when you receive.
My dealer said that the Denon is better for music and films. As he has tested both. He says the marantz is under powered.

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My dealer said that the Denon is better for music and films. As he has tested both. He says the marantz is under powered.
Underpowered? Same amount of capacitance to power two channels less... hard to believe..
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[QUOTE=nucky;56012052]My dealer said that the Denon is better for music and films. As he has tested both. He says the marantz is under powered.[/QUOTE
I so often see people asking dealers for recommendations and listen to them even though they often have less knowledge than their customers. I see people going into BB often and listening to people who have no idea of what they are taking about. Often dealers try to sell the higher priced product or the one with the most profit.
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My dealer said that the Denon is better for music and films. As he has tested both. He says the marantz is under powered.
This would suggest that your dealer had a defective unit, is uninformed, or implemented questionable testing methodology.

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Underpowered? Same amount of capacitance to power two channels less... hard to believe..
the Denon has got a bigger power supply.

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the Denon has got a bigger power supply.
That is true, but not "bigger enough" to say the Marantz is under powered.
Guess I'll find out this weekend when I get mine hooked up. It is replacing a "by the stated specs" higher powered Yamaha 3050...we shall see.

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That is true, but not "bigger enough" to say the Marantz is under powered.
Guess I'll find out this weekend when I get mine hooked up. It is replacing a "by the stated specs" higher powered Yamaha 3050...we shall see.
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Tell him you want those HDAM preamps so you can listen to music with the best possible quality

Bear in mind that after an Audyssey calibration, both receivers will produce exactly the same sound level at your main listening position. If they don't, one or the other of them is broken or has a defective microphone. You need 10x the power to produce a sound that seems 2x as loud. Most receivers use less than 10% of their rated output.
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Again, your dealer either lacks credible knowledge or has an agenda. Everyone here has given you the same advice. Is there an alternative dealer in Scotland where you might get a more balanced opinion?

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Tell him you want those HDAM preamps so you can listen to music with the best possible quality

Bear in mind that after an Audyssey calibration, both receivers will produce exactly the same sound level at your main listening position. If they don't, one or the other of them is broken or has a defective microphone. 1) You need 10x the power to produce a sound that seems 2x as loud. 2) Most receivers use less than 10% of their rated output.
1) This will depend on the frequency. At low frequencies (20 Hz to at least 50 Hz, see the link below), depending on the SPL, less than 10x the power will be required to produce a sound that is perceived at 2x as loud. See the equal loudness contours in the Wikipedia entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher–Munson_curves

The above may seem like a nit, and no doubt you understand it, but it is important to keep-in-mind how we perceive bass (loudness), and what adjustments we may wish to make to overall SPL levels, bass SPL levels or, the use of features of Audyssey, for example, that increase bass output at lower output levels. It is also important to remember that small changes in SPL output level may make large changes in the loudness of bass. These changes may be in the bass levels in the source material as mastered, or in our systems, for example.

2) 10% of what? Average power used vs. specified power, peak power vs. specified power or? Amplifier clipping is an issue with any system, but especially with AVR's used in home theaters. How much clipping is too much, isn't clear, but certainly most home theater users drive their AVR's past 10% of rated output on peaks, and likely into clipping at times.
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1) This will depend on the frequency. At low frequencies (20 Hz to at least 50 Hz, see the link below), depending on the SPL, less than 10x the power will be required to produce a sound that is perceived at 2x as loud. See the equal loudness contours in the Wikipedia entry:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fletcher–Munson_curves

The above may seem like a nit, and no doubt you understand it, but it is important to keep-in-mind how we perceive bass (loudness), and what adjustments we may wish to make to overall SPL levels, bass SPL levels or, the use of features of Audyssey, for example, that increase bass output at lower output levels. It is also important to remember that small changes in SPL output level may make large changes in the loudness of bass. These changes may be in the bass levels in the source material as mastered, or in our systems, for example.

2) 10% of what? Average power used vs. specified power, peak power vs. specified power or? Amplifier clipping is an issue with any system, but especially with AVR's used in home theaters. How much clipping is too much, isn't clear, but certainly most home theater users drive their AVR's past 10% of rated output on peaks, and likely into clipping at times.
*shrug* I'm just speaking generically, but you can insert "mean RMS" if you insist. Certainly a difference of 10-20W in a power supply's rating is inaudible.

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*shrug* I'm just speaking generically, but you can insert "mean RMS" if you insist. Certainly a difference of 10-20W in a power supply's rating is inaudible.
What is your definition of "mean RMS?"
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